The growing reparations movement

LoveBug

Kingfisher
White Democrats in Congress Falling Short on Reparations Bill

SAN FRANCISCO — Democracy in Color announced the launch of “The White List” today—a list of 75 White congressional Democrats who have failed to support HR 40, the bill establishing a commission to study the effects of slavery and ongoing discrimination on Black Americans, and explore remedies, including possible reparations.

The legislation has been introduced in the House for 41 years, but is gaining traction amidst the current national racial reckoning. H.R. 40 now has more than 135 sponsors.

Of the 95 Democratic House members who have not cosigned H.R. 40 yet, 75 are White, comprising “The White List.” That is, 79 percent of Democratic House members who have not cosigned H.R. 40 yet are White.

While White members of Congress have fallen short, American support has surged with a majority now supporting reparations for Black people, following similar patterns of growing support for the #BlackLivesMatter movement. According to a new poll released last week by Democracy in Color and Civiqs, 86% of Democratic voters and 50% of all respondents want Congress to establish a reparations commission to study the legacy of slavery and persistent systemic discrimination against living Black people—a startling increase up from the 31% last year. The poll also found 56% of respondents think the U.S. Congress is “doing too little” to address racial inequality in the United States, including 46% of White respondents.


H.R.40 - Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act:
This bill establishes the Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African-Americans. The commission shall examine slavery and discrimination in the colonies and the United States from 1619 to the present and recommend appropriate remedies. Among other requirements, the commission shall identify (1) the role of federal and state governments in supporting the institution of slavery, (2) forms of discrimination in the public and private sectors against freed slaves and their descendants, and (3) lingering negative effects of slavery on living African-Americans and society.




Robert Johnson's Big Idea: 14$ Trillion in Slavery Reparations to African Americans

"Nobody talks about cash, but black people understand cash," Johnson told Fox News.

Under his proposal, an estimated 40 million African-Americans would get $350,000 in direct cash payments over 30 years (costing the average taxpayer roughly $2,900 a year, according to his office). The $350,000 would signify the wealth disparity between African-Americans and white Americans.




I'm concerned with where this is going. National support for this stuff seems increasing post George Floyd. While this particular poll sounds biased and iffy, and I believe most polls still show Americans don’t support reparations, political support from the lefties seems gaining. Silly me, all this time I thought being here instead of West Africa would've been compensation enough

Where is this going? What will Native Americans demand, than Latinos? As an Irish-American can I get a third of these reparations for the "No Irish Need Apply" signs in the 1800s?

In addition to affirmative action and quotas, we may see other measures coming up in this country making it harder to be Caucasian, such as actively granting minorities moneys
 
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gework

Ostrich
Gold Member
"Nobody talks about cash, but black people understand cash," Johnson told Fox News.
Joe Biden should borrow that line.

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The main point (but there are many others) I would push back against on is: How much are the descendants of African slave traders stumping up for this? $50 trillion from Ghana, Nigeria and others?

When they don't care, you know this is purely anti-white sentiment. We always put the most blame for illicit trades on the traffickers. But with this charade the left want to put more blame on Mr. and Mrs. Shevchenko who immigrated to Canada in the 70s and retired to Florida two years ago.

The left are more worried about a few million slaves born 200+ years ago because they were in America, than the 50 million slaves that are alive today. You haven't been able to go a day in US leftist politics without hearing 'muh slavery' since the 60s. It's not because they care. It's because it's useful to them. Push back hard against left-wing crazies with such facts and analyses. They blow their top. Who cares if they stop talking to you. People have to push back against their moronism. We are here because few do.

It's also hard to argue that black Americans' ancestors lost anything in particular. Check out academic estimations of sub-Saharan African populations - it's a flatline. If they weren't taken across The Atlantic they would have been butchered in war, canibalised, enslaved in Africa, died from starvation, or castrated and sent up to the Muslims.

The alternative was going to America (which accounts for 2% of The Atlantic slave trade), which The US banned in 1806. African darling Hailie Sealsie on the other hand was still being pressured to ban slavery in Ethiopia over 100 years later. And Ethiopia remains a center of global slavery to this day. In America life was likely better as a slave than free in Africa, where there was the constant threat of war, rape and canabalism. Many slaves lived little worse than servants. Some were paid and owned guns. Others were taught to read and write. I highly recommend reading slave narratives (accounts of slaves). It's a far cry from the images the left have sought to brew in everyone's mind. Why on earth would they be so obsessed with everything being so much worse than they are/were? Because that is the only way they can gain power. So never give them that. If they have to cut you off for that - good.

If you read the narratives you will find the typical life of a slave was - Yes, sur, yes masa. Butter n eggs masa. Wen I wuz yung I used to play at my masa's feet at night n he wud throw me up in the air like I didun wey nuffin'.

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/search.mobile/?query=slave+narratives
 
According to surveys on race and median income, whites are number 18 on the list. So if they’re upset about the wealth disparity with whites, just wait until they find out what everyone else is making.
 

DenizenJane

Pigeon
They won't be cutting checks.

The fraud would be gargantuan (as it should be). If that ever were to happen, I guarantee that you'd be a couple government forms away from getting some sweet sweet Blackmoney handed to you too.

Oh sure, there would threats of cracking down on those that take the (wothless fiat) Blackmoney who aern't actually black. I'm saying you'd get it anyway. Remember the billions in stimulus mistakenly sent to dead people during the Scary Germ Stimulus three months ago? The US government won't even attempt to correct that. So reparations are easy pickings.
 
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Timothy Crow

Sparrow
Yeah, somebody owes somebody something, but it ain't whites who owe. Lives lost, money flushed down the toilet, reverse racism, high crime, rape, robbery, murder, trashed cities, filth, you name it, Africa has no place in a civilized world. Yeah, reparations, since they can't pay, then we will have to, either through the complete destruction of our society or by coming up with a solution to rid ourselves of this plague. Face it, this ,on their part is a complete refusal to take responsibility for their own failures and make a better life, to be a citizen of this nation, to be proud of their own accomplishments, to use all the gibs to raise themselves up. The fact that they refuse to speak the English language is a sign. They want all the goodies, you know, the stuff that others work for, but not the responsibility, F*&^ em.

As things are going now, I see a definite paycheck in the form of lead heading their way.
 

JiggyLordJr

Woodpecker
Way too many holes in this:

What if - as a white person - you just arrived on the shores? 50 years ago my ancestors were situated in the mountains of Europe. And slavery in the US was close to 200 years ago. My family wasn’t yet American when slavery was practiced! I believe a lot of white Americans fall into a similar category - one that has no familial connection to slavery whatsoever.

Will family records be referenced to see who was stateside when slavery was practiced? Will they chase down the living descendants of slave owners and serve them the bill?

Or will all “white Americans” - Including those who just arrived just recently - be strongarmed into paying for something their ancestors were not involved in?
 

wannable alpha

Woodpecker
The case for reparations
All the arguments against reparations that whites make can be boiled down to this - I am not responsible for my father's sins. A variation of that is "my ancestors didn't own any slaves".

But there is already an existing precedent for reparations. German government is paying Holocaust victims a lifetime pension plus all the aid it gives to Israel. Why should a 25-year old German's tax money go to pay compensation for something that he didn't do. In fact, he himself could be a descendant of Sudeten Germans or one of the Eastern European Germans who themselves were victims of ethnic cleansing. He could be a Turkish-origin German citizen, or a Jewish immigrant from the FSU and so on. But none of these people can opt out of the reparations program. Because the German government has taken responsibility for what happened in ww2 even though that government was completely wiped out.

Considering this precedent, black Americans have a stronger claim to reparations. The U.S. government is one of the longest existing governments in the world. Other countries can claim to have a national identity for a longer time but not a government that has existed for 250 years.

After slavery there was another 100 years of segregation, esp in the South, which can be brought up as another reason for reparations.

The case against reparations
The U.S. government waged war on its secessionist states in order to end slavery and the debt to blacks was repaid.

Germany does pay reparations but only to the living victims of Holocaust and not their descendants iirc. No black American alive today was a slave so the gov doesn't owe them anything.

Segregation was a southern US thing and there are many blacks alive today that suffered under it. So those blacks and their families can be considered eligible for reparations to be paid only from the southern states' budgets.

If the case for reparations does gather steam, native Americans are not going to stay silent either. In fact, they are the worst off group in terms of income, education, health etc iirc. They can claim to be genocide survivors and ask for return of their ancestral lands that cover large parts of the country. They can get support from big businesses who want to build factories but don't like EPA regulations and labor regulations. The recent Oklahoma case has already opened the door for this. Imagine a company that builds a shoe factory in a native reservation and pays Bangladesh level wages, non-existent safety standards and zero benefits.
 

perros

Woodpecker
As a car dealer, I'm fine with reparations because I'm going to get most of that money in my coffers anyway.

Time to load up on Chargers, 300s, Escalades, and Maximas.

Yep, it could have its benefits for sure. Open up a business geared towards the African American community.
 

It_is_my_time

Hummingbird
I support reparations. Why?

- If we can find $5 trillion dollars for billionaire bankers who sold the country out so they can be bailed out of their bad investments in the midst of a pandemic, we must have the money for it.

- If we can spend $1 trillion every year on a military that cannot even protect our borders or keep our cities safe, then we must have the money for it.

- If we can give 7 figure income earners a $1.7 million tax break, then we must have the money for it.

- If we can give $4 billion to Israel every year, on the clock, a country that has a higher standard of living than the USA, then we have the money for it.

I would rather the money go to poor African Americans than any of these nefarious people. What do I get in exchange for it?

No more Affirmative Action. No more victimhood mentality games that the women buy into without now feeling great shame. No more quotas and advancement discrimination.

And if those things still exist after paying for reparations, then it will be very easy to red pill the normies.
 

dicknixon72

Kingfisher
I would rather the money go to poor African Americans than any of these nefarious people. What do I get in exchange for it?

No more Affirmative Action. No more victimhood mentality games that the women buy into without now feeling great shame. No more quotas and advancement discrimination.
...and the money either gets repatriated into the economy OR intelligently goes towards building generational wealth in the black community. Rich /= wealth. And generational wealth with eliminate the victimhood mentality and breed a successive generation of more conservative, values-oriented black Americans who focus more on families.
 

perros

Woodpecker
I support reparations. Why?

- If we can find $5 trillion dollars for billionaire bankers who sold the country out so they can be bailed out of their bad investments in the midst of a pandemic, we must have the money for it.

- If we can spend $1 trillion every year on a military that cannot even protect our borders or keep our cities safe, then we must have the money for it.

- If we can give 7 figure income earners a $1.7 million tax break, then we must have the money for it.

- If we can give $4 billion to Israel every year, on the clock, a country that has a higher standard of living than the USA, then we have the money for it.

I would rather the money go to poor African Americans than any of these nefarious people. What do I get in exchange for it?

No more Affirmative Action. No more victimhood mentality games that the women buy into without now feeling great shame. No more quotas and advancement discrimination.

And if those things still exist after paying for reparations, then it will be very easy to red pill the normies.

I know right? I'm starting to come to the same conclusion. I'd rather that money go to poor African Americans than the corporations, wall street, banks, Jeff Bezos, etc... More capital will be circled around that community and their neighborhoods will become better overtime, which in turn will increase property taxes which will fund better schools, better roads, etc... Its a win win for everyone, and the car dealer above gets to sell more cars.

If its between wall street and poor African Americans, I would rather the money be given to African Americans.
 

It_is_my_time

Hummingbird
I know right? I'm starting to come to the same conclusion. I'd rather that money go to poor African Americans than the corporations, wall street, banks, Jeff Bezos, etc... More capital will be circled around that community and their neighborhoods will become better overtime, which in turn will increase property taxes which will fund better schools, better roads, etc... Its a win win for everyone, and the car dealer above gets to sell more cars.

If its between wall street and poor African Americans, I would rather the money be given to African Americans.
The African American communities will have free will to do what they want with the money.

If they use it to improve their neighborhoods, they will live as good or even better than any other ethnic group in the USA.

If they use it on bling bling, then they will be out of excuses and out of victimhood weapons against innocent middle class struggling Americans.
 

It_is_my_time

Hummingbird
^They, along with the rest of the Grievance Coalition, have been out of excuses for a while now.
They have this one last excuse that they can hold over non-black women, especially those who are college educated. Time to call their bluff and let the chips fall where they may. We can no longer say the money isn't there.
 
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