The gun control debate

[TheMoralLaw]

As H.R. 8 goes to the floor of the Senate, being ramrodded by (((Chuck Schumer))), and the "Biden" administration seems intent on strict gun control reforms that will no doubt be targeted especially at anyone they can label a "white supremacist", which is, at a minimum, all 300k people at the January 6 Trump speech, I thought it might be time to survey the Roosh V forum and find out where it stands.

All throughout history, populations that are perceived to be threats are neutralized by such tools as economic warfare, displacement, and disarmament. It can even lead to genocide. Economic sanctions come in forms which are dependent on whether the threatening population is external, internal or a mixture of both. Taxation, the making to pay tribute, trade wars or sanctions.The upcoming Reparations Bill is an economic attack on white people through tax or tribute.

Back to disarmament, i.e. gun "control". IMO, both sides are being dishonest. It's not about hunting and self-defense from carjackers as the GOP say. And it's not about gun safety and school shootings as the Democrats say. It's that the Democrats know in their hearts that by pushing the globohomo gayplex on normal Americans there is likely to be a reaction. This has been going on since WWII. Before WWII, you would be hard-pressed to say who was more pro-gun, Democrats or Republicans. Back then, one side of America wasnt giving the other side a dildo.

When conservatives argue that Hitler and Stalin were the original gun-grabbers, they're not wrong. For obvious reasons.

This is obviously a very sensitive issue and neither side wants to say what it's true fear is.

Meanwhile, the fact that blacks and other immigrant groups will always be able to get guns illegally, suits the Jews just fine. This is because blacks and immigrants are on their side. When you're fighting a war, you want all your allies and proxies to have guns, and your enemies to have none. I really think it's that simple. What are your thoughts?

 

[EndlessGravity]

Before WWII, you would be hard-pressed to say who was more pro-gun, Democrats or Republicans.

Republicans support gun control and will help enact it. In my circles most men are saying they won't comply with any new laws. I get the feeling the majority of them are serious and on edge about where this is going.

More men seem to have wised up to how both parties want to disarm them. Just my two cents from guys I know.

 

[Slide-Rule]

If you're going to take my guns away, I'm going to assume you are planning on doing something that I would shoot you for doing.

 

[3stripedlakeshadow]

Any government that does not trust it's people with firearms, that government is not legitimate and has bad motives. I'm surprised that 20 years after the Balkan wars, people are still dumb. Police and federal soldiers are the most likely to genocide peaceful people, not the other way around.

Last years events taught me the government permits chaos, to further it's own dark ends. The illusion that police exist to stop, solve or reduce crime is the biggest lie Americans are taught, growing up. Also, police in America are the worst people. They care more about their paycheck, pension and doing what they're told. In plain terms, police are more afraid of losing themselves financially, instead of spiritually. This makes them (police) the worst institution of society, as they're the easiest to manipulate - they're all about ego and materialism.

Gun ownership is important. It's the last resort, when all means are exhausted.

 

[get2choppaaa]

Republicans support gun control and will help enact it. In my circles most men are saying they won't comply with any new laws. I get the feeling the majority of them are serious and on edge about where this is going.

More men seem to have wised up to how both parties want to disarm them. Just my two cents from guys I know.

Guns... what guns? I don't own any guns.... they all got lost in a boating accident... Or wait, I think my ex wife has them.

 

[Jacob Robinson]

Slightly off topic, but I never could figure out how it was so darn easy to go through the official process of buying a gun in America (show state issued ID, fill out paperwork, have a criminal record check, and leave a paper trail) is way too easy according to Democrats. Yet doing any of those things when voting is so onerous that that it is discrimination, according to Democrats.

After the Democrats passed the "assault weapon" ban in 1992, they lost the house and senate after controlling the house for more than half a century. Already states and counties have said they are 2nd amendment freedom zones. As usual, Biden has been in politics for so long he actually believes his own B.S.

 

[Easy_C]

Biden doesn’t even know what he believes at this point. We all know he’s not actually coming up with any of these ideas himself and neither is Heels Up Harris.

 

[EndlessGravity]

Guns... what guns? I don't own any guns.... they all got lost in a boating accident... Or wait, I think my ex wife has them.

You joke but it's not a good strategy for people to pretend you don't have any when you use your credit card to buy, for example, your ammo.

The correct strategy is to get everyone to get one and to be proud of it.

 

[Elipe]

You joke but it's not a good strategy for people to pretend you don't have any when you use your credit card to buy, for example, your ammo.

The correct strategy is to get everyone to get one and to be proud of it.

I just like collecting ammo, it looks pretty and shiny.

 

[get2choppaaa]

You joke but it's not a good strategy for people to pretend you don't have any when you use your credit card to buy, for example, your ammo.

The correct strategy is to get everyone to get one and to be proud of it.

No doubt.... but its kinda hard to push that idea when I see nothing but fat neckbeards with a Molon Labia sticker their trucks telling me about their super cool commando gun they got.

 

[Easy_C]

And they most likely don’t have a clue how to use it.

Try finding any tactical instructors in your area and take at least one course for every type of weapon you own. You’ll get smacked by reality pretty quickly and you’ll also find that the kind of people who are competent in firearms are very, very, different from most people taking about it online (including the majority of Youtubers).

There’s some good schools in the MidWest, FieldCraft Survival in Youtube, and a large training center in Lauren’s SC that a lot of companies use.

Make sure that whatever course you take is taught by someone who has done some door kicking on a live “two way range” before. Mike Glover and Andy Padilla are two of the best I’ve seen and even if you have to drive a few hours out to attend a weekend of training with these guys it’s well worth it for most people.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

Republicans support gun control and will help enact it. In my circles most men are saying they won't comply with any new laws. I get the feeling the majority of them are serious and on edge about where this is going.

More men seem to have wised up to how both parties want to disarm them. Just my two cents from guys I know.

Most Republican politicians will vote against gun control but once it passes anyway 90% will say it's the law now, we have to accept it, etc etc etc.

 

[CynicalContrarian]

Never even heard of this one before. Voxday :

Texas gunfight​

This is an educational account of a genuine gun fight in Texas.

In Garland, Texas, on 3 May 2015, Gregory Stevens, a veteran police officer with the Garland Police Department, was working off duty as armed security for the “Draw the Prophet” cartoon contest event.
Pamela Geller organized the Draw the Prophet event as a response to Islamic demands that Western Civilization submits to Islamic censorship.
The particular demand was no one would be allowed to draw images of the Prophet Mohammed or to mock him or make fun of him.
The infamous attack on the Charlie Hebdo offices in Paris had occurred just five months earlier, by two Islamists with AK-47 type rifles and Tokarev pistols.
...
Just before 7 p.m. in the evening, Greg went to the restroom. A pair of roving armed security took his place. He took his duty car. He returned to his post. The roving team left.
About five minutes after he returned, a small black car pulls up, and stops, abruptly, facing away from the entrance.
Greg’s hair starts standing up on the back of his neck. His “police sense” starts going off. Something is not “right”. The car has out-of-state plates, from Arizona. Immediately, both doors to the car open at the same time.
As the passenger exits, Greg sees the muzzle of a rifle moving in a sweeping motion. Elton Simpson, the passenger, has an AK-47 semi-automatic clone and brings it into play. As Greg sees the rifle moving, the synapses click, the trained and practiced instincts kick in.
This is real. He needs to engage. Now! The attackers are 35 feet away. There is no cover.
Gregory Stevens draws his Glock 21 .45 from his retention holster.
...
Greg has fired 14 rounds of 230 grain Speer Gold Dot ammunition from his Glock. Simpson and Sufi have fired about 35 rounds of 7.62 x 39. Those rounds were easily capable of penetrating Greg Stevens’ soft body armor. The entire action took 10 seconds or less.
...
The immediate threat has passed. The Isis recruits had three rifles and three handguns, with 1500 rounds of ammunition, but no explosives. Greg wasn’t the only combatant who expected reinforcements.

Obama-Comey’s FBI Involvement and Cover Up?​

As Greg engaged Simpson and Soofi, an undercover FBI agent was traveling with the terrorists in a separate vehicle, approaching the rear entrance where the gunfight happened. The agent and two terrorists had traveled all the way from Arizona, in two vehicles. It was claimed the FBI agent took pictures of the attack, just as it started. It was claimed he participated in intelligence gathering, and in planning the attack, advising the terrorists to wait until the event was ending.

The FBI agent, only identified in the following lawsuit as UCE-1, stopped, then attempted to flee the scene.
...
FBI Director Comey had denied there was any FBI complicity in the attack.

How a Texas Gunfighter Cop Stopped the ISIS Attack in Garland, Texas

On 3 May, 2015, a gunfighter traffic cop fought two Isis terrorists who had semi-automatic rifles, pistols, 1500 rounds of ammo, body armor, and the element of surprise. He survived. They died.

www.ammoland.com

FBI involved aye?
How many other mass shootings or shootings which received notable media attention were prompted or promoted in the past by The Big Club for the purpose of manipulating the gun control debate...?

How many notable terrorism & shooting events would not have taken place had said events not been prompted by The Big Club...?

 

[3stripedlakeshadow]

Never even heard of this one before. Voxday :

Texas gunfight​

This is an educational account of a genuine gun fight in Texas.

In Garland, Texas, on 3 May 2015, Gregory Stevens, a veteran police officer with the Garland Police Department, was working off duty as armed security for the “Draw the Prophet” cartoon contest event.
Pamela Geller organized the Draw the Prophet event as a response to Islamic demands that Western Civilization submits to Islamic censorship.
The particular demand was no one would be allowed to draw images of the Prophet Mohammed or to mock him or make fun of him.
The infamous attack on the Charlie Hebdo offices in Paris had occurred just five months earlier, by two Islamists with AK-47 type rifles and Tokarev pistols.
...
Just before 7 p.m. in the evening, Greg went to the restroom. A pair of roving armed security took his place. He took his duty car. He returned to his post. The roving team left.
About five minutes after he returned, a small black car pulls up, and stops, abruptly, facing away from the entrance.
Greg’s hair starts standing up on the back of his neck. His “police sense” starts going off. Something is not “right”. The car has out-of-state plates, from Arizona. Immediately, both doors to the car open at the same time.
As the passenger exits, Greg sees the muzzle of a rifle moving in a sweeping motion. Elton Simpson, the passenger, has an AK-47 semi-automatic clone and brings it into play. As Greg sees the rifle moving, the synapses click, the trained and practiced instincts kick in.
This is real. He needs to engage. Now! The attackers are 35 feet away. There is no cover.
Gregory Stevens draws his Glock 21 .45 from his retention holster.
...
Greg has fired 14 rounds of 230 grain Speer Gold Dot ammunition from his Glock. Simpson and Sufi have fired about 35 rounds of 7.62 x 39. Those rounds were easily capable of penetrating Greg Stevens’ soft body armor. The entire action took 10 seconds or less.
...
The immediate threat has passed. The Isis recruits had three rifles and three handguns, with 1500 rounds of ammunition, but no explosives. Greg wasn’t the only combatant who expected reinforcements.

Obama-Comey’s FBI Involvement and Cover Up?​

As Greg engaged Simpson and Soofi, an undercover FBI agent was traveling with the terrorists in a separate vehicle, approaching the rear entrance where the gunfight happened. The agent and two terrorists had traveled all the way from Arizona, in two vehicles. It was claimed the FBI agent took pictures of the attack, just as it started. It was claimed he participated in intelligence gathering, and in planning the attack, advising the terrorists to wait until the event was ending.

The FBI agent, only identified in the following lawsuit as UCE-1, stopped, then attempted to flee the scene.
...
FBI Director Comey had denied there was any FBI complicity in the attack.

How a Texas Gunfighter Cop Stopped the ISIS Attack in Garland, Texas

On 3 May, 2015, a gunfighter traffic cop fought two Isis terrorists who had semi-automatic rifles, pistols, 1500 rounds of ammo, body armor, and the element of surprise. He survived. They died.

www.ammoland.com

FBI involved aye?
How many other mass shootings or shootings which received notable media attention were prompted or promoted in the past by The Big Club for the purpose of manipulating the gun control debate...?

How many notable terrorism & shooting events would not have taken place had said events not been prompted by The Big Club...?

I have no doubt FBI/CIA partake in actions like this. It would not surprise me. They have the means, motive and ability to pull such stunts off, with ease. Whether it's a splinter or the entire group? only God knows.

 

[Easy_C]

We don’t need to speculate that they do. There are already instances of them setting up fake terror plots .

Why Does the FBI Have to Manufacture its Own Plots if Terrorism and ISIS Are Such Grave Threats?

This tactic is akin to having the DEA constantly warn of the severe threat posed by drug addiction while it simultaneously uses pushers on its payroll to deliberately get people hooked on drugs so that they can arrest the addicts they’ve created and thus justify their own warnings and budgets.

theintercept.com

 

[estraudi]

I'm surprised this thread is still named "Gun Control Debate" instead of "Gun Rights Termination"
This isn't Europe. 2nd Amendment shall not be infringed upon. Ever.
The fact it has and will continuously be assailed against by our "elected officials" just goes to show that the Gov't we do not want will be further trying to take power and American citizens will righteously remind them that that will not be possible.
The boiling kettle just isn't hot enough for all citizens to realize this. But by all means our Constitution allows for overthrow of a destructive government.

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

 

[PaulC]

You joke but it's not a good strategy for people to pretend you don't have any when you use your credit card to buy, for example, your ammo.

The correct strategy is to get everyone to get one and to be proud of it.

A prudent man might have one to turn in and several more packed in cosmoline in a PVC pipe underground.

Face to face purchases of weapons and ammunition are still legal most places. Cash on the barrelhead, no paperwork. You can also cut out the middleman and legally make your own firearms and ammunition.

 

[kamoz]

What will make things interesting is just how much guns and ammo have been purchased this past year...lots of first time gun owners too. At first I thought something screwy was going on, like the DOD or DHS or other alphabet soup agencies eating things up. But it’s like hardly anything is in stock, including supplementary equipment outside of just firearms and ammo, like bags. There is legit panic buying. People see the writing on the wall. And although I didn’t think many American gun owners would stand up when push comes to shove, I’ve changed my mind. There are plenty that will. They understand the gravity of things. This is probably why the move has been to declare 70 million Americans are terrorists. We’ll see how it plays out.

 

[Easy_C]

Hard to say. Most of em are a mess, but even for leftists there’s a huge difference between how they react to Laws that they think only hurt other people and how they react to laws that will have an immediate negative impact on themselves.

 

[EndlessGravity]

What will make things interesting is just how much guns and ammo have been purchased this past year...lots of first time gun owners too.

I'd be interested in hearing whether any of you think the ammo manufacturers might be in on the gun control game or at least incentivized through the higher prices not to actually do anything about the current shortage. Could this be possible?

This isn't my first ammo shortage so I'm not stressing out but this has crossed my mind. A giant surge in business can be difficult to deal with but we're almost a year in. I'm hearing of aluminum, steel, and copper shortages globally but... not lead or brass. So where's the ammo?