The gun control debate

[Stadtaffe]

Cross posting here from coronavirus vaccine thread:

It just seems so alien in Europe to have the kind of arms that Americans take for granted.

Interesting you should mention that. When I was travelling in the US a few years ago I went to a pistol range and shot hand guns for the first time. A lot harder to aim than rifles. Was a bit of fun but as some of us didn't grow up with guns, it was a very new experience. Also noticed how bullets and guns are for sale in sporting stores along with fishing rods, tennis raquets etc.

I have only archery equipment in Europe. Will post some time in the archery thread, but bowhunting is only legal in some parts of Europe.

Did have a quick look into a Jagdschein or Waffenschein - the licenses in the German speaking world. It is about three months work. In any case it is a very big hurdle to get a gun license in Europe. Someone in Germany was telling me that hunting is anyway a rich person's activity in Germany. I don't believe that is the case in France and parts of Scandinavia.

But anyway, back to the quote above, "kinds of arms", you will likely end up with a hunting rifle in Europe after all that work, whereas an American may end up with a pistol or a machine gun after no work, just walking into a shop showing your license and making a purchase.

One day I may go and do all the study, jump through the hoops to get a license in Europe. If anyone has experience with this, do share. I believe Czech republic has new gun ownership rights for citizens now. Also, when I was on a Greek island, I learned that every house was armed in case of a Turkish invasion. These are anecdotes, it varies from country to country and then Switzerland unfortunately recently bowed to EU pressure on this topic.
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There is too much regulation in the modern world, in every sphere, and compare this situation with bowhunting banned in most of Europe and a three month hurdle to get a gun license. You're probably not supposed to go chasing animals around with spears or knives in Europe either. Hunting was a primary aspect of the human experience, especially male of course, but there is a rather large barrier to doing it at all in Europe.

 

[Easy_C]

Keep in mind that for insurgency or mad max situations, if you have to pick one rifle you want a hunting rifle in the heaviest commonly available caliber you can get. A single well placed shot can be surprisingly hard to locate and stop a group dead in their tracks as they have to perform first aid and recovery. The "assault rifles" are good at the types of fights you don't want to be in if you can help it because you'll usually be outnumbered and/or out-teched by any kind of organized opponent.

 

[budoslavic]

@LaurenWitzkeDE: WARNING: Congress is trying to disarm all conservatives, labeling them as “extreme risks.”

The Federal Extreme Risk Protection Order Act of 2021 will give the federal government full authority to come in your home and take your guns if they do not like the way you think.

Stay on your Republican Representatives. DO NOT LET THIS PASS!

Lauren Witzke on Gab: 'WARNING: Congress is trying to disarm all conserv…'

Lauren Witzke on Gab: 'WARNING: Congress is trying to disarm all conservatives, labeling them as “extreme risks.” The Federal Extreme Risk Protection Order Act of 2021 will give the federal government full authority to come in your home and take your guns if they do not like the way you think...

gab.com

 

[The Penitent Man]

@LaurenWitzkeDE: WARNING: Congress is trying to disarm all conservatives, labeling them as “extreme risks.”

The Federal Extreme Risk Protection Order Act of 2021 will give the federal government full authority to come in your home and take your guns if they do not like the way you think.

Stay on your Republican Representatives. DO NOT LET THIS PASS!

Lauren Witzke on Gab: 'WARNING: Congress is trying to disarm all conserv…'

Lauren Witzke on Gab: 'WARNING: Congress is trying to disarm all conservatives, labeling them as “extreme risks.” The Federal Extreme Risk Protection Order Act of 2021 will give the federal government full authority to come in your home and take your guns if they do not like the way you think...

gab.com

Yes, this fits right into the plain language of the US Constitution:

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed, unless Congress or some judge says so or if an executive issues an executive order stating otherwise, or in the event your neighbor or wife don’t like you and complain to the local police.”

 

[Uebermind]

I have a hard time respecting Jack Murphy. Still on Twitter? Still sending your kids to public school?

He'll probably be tweeting these images until the end while complying with everything.

I'd be curious to hear Roosh's thoughts on Jack Murphy since the recent revelation about his cuckoldry.

 

[get2choppaaa]

I'd be curious to hear Roosh's thoughts on Jack Murphy since the recent revelation about his cuckoldry.

You mean (((Jack Goldman)))?

He's really the epitome of what's wrong with men seeking other men to tell them how to live and learn about life/relationships/experiences or really anything that aren't first centered in Christ. Guru's such as this are there for people who aren't ready to learn and fail and succeed on their own and need a coach to teach them. These Guru's often do this to either stroke their own ego or make money via a grift... They may serve a purpose when you're at rock bottom (I know I learned secular advice that was helpful at the time from Rollo Tomassi or from Roosh's secular writings or Heartriste's writings which I really thing were some of the best social commentary on the net.) But at a certain point that all peters out and you have to find your own way.

I'll make an aside to clarify something so as to not give offense to our current host: I think Roosh, having met him during his book tour, is genuine. He laid it all out there, has demonstrated repentance and made changes. He caught a lot of flack then, for starting to purge the porn and ridiculousness from the site and has turned this whole thing into place that promotes Christianity and ultimately is seeking to help lead folks toward Christ and undue the damage done in an earlier life. That's and admirable thing. Compare that to someone like Jack "Murphy" Goldman. He's got articles about cucking that he's apologized for and said were when he was a liberal. I'm pretty sure all of us have changed opinions over time, but the idea of another man bedding a woman I am with isnt just a "change of opinion" its a fundamental demonstration of my values and lack of self worth.

Anyone who pays for a monthly subscription for another man to tell you how to be a man is so far gone down the path of self-limitation there's likely no help to point this out.... Its one thing to take a coach on how to lift weights, how to ski, how to bake ect... its another thing to take a coach on how to find your own self worth and value in life. Only God does that for you... but that narrative is usually outside the narrative of the guru's who are promoting self image and secret sauce for success.

The beauty of his apparent gay porn/ cuckoldry's is that it will open the eyes to the young men seeking his help that they may realize... at some point the truth that : You have to be your own man and stop with the crutch of support groups from grifters.

 

[Uebermind]

Compare that to someone like Jack "Murphy" Goldman. He's got articles about cucking that he's apologized for and said were when he was a liberal. I'm pretty sure all of us have changed opinions over time, but the idea of another man bedding a woman I am with isnt just a "change of opinion" its a fundamental demonstration of my values and lack of self worth.

Thank you for the excellent response. When did Jack Goldman claim to stop being a liberal? He was promoting cuckoldry in 2015, and creating Internet porn with his girlfriend until at least 2019.

 

[loremipsum]

This Jack Goldman case is a great redpill to people.
To trust no one but Jesus.
To seeing how 99% of alpha male literature is made by literal cucks.
What kind of masculine and alpha man would have to announce the world that he is alpha and masculine?

Did our grandfathers and great great grandfathers need to join to a 700$/year forum made by homosexual telling you how to be "alpha" and "masculine"?
Besides I thought this stuff was over already. Who in their right minds follows any manosphere nowadays anymore.
It's clear as day that these are made by lust loving men with serious psychological issues.

 

[get2choppaaa]

This Jack Goldman case is a great redpill to people.
To trust no one but Jesus.
To seeing how 99% of alpha male literature is made by literal cucks.
What kind of masculine and alpha man would have to announce the world that he is alpha and masculine?

Did our grandfathers and great great grandfathers need to join to a 700$/year forum made by homosexual telling you how to be "alpha" and "masculine"?
Besides I thought this stuff was over already. Who in their right minds follows any manosphere nowadays anymore.
It's clear as day that these are made by lust loving men with serious psychological issues.

I was telling my 70 year old (still working chef/restaurantuer) father about this extravaganza today. His dad died at 13, and mother at 16... so he had a pretty rough go of it in his youth, despite coming from a semi-affluent family. It was kinda comical as for all the boomer cringe thats out there... there a re still a lot of sound, high self esteem men out there of that generation who are so completely disgusted by the state of modern political discourse and the disgusting fools who are followed blindly.

After I explained to him that he's seen this guy on Bannon/Tim Pool/other places he said "Its pretty disgusting that men get taken advantage of twice, once by the system... then twice by creeps like this. Who is into letting your old lady have sex with another man? I'd just as soon shoot someone as think about my wife being with another person... but who the hell pays another man for advice on being a man... its like you're making yourself a servant to another person to guide you."

 

[budoslavic]

 

[budoslavic]

Hochul and her fellow Democrats pushed for more restrictions on concealed carry following the June 23 Supreme Court ruling declaring New York’s proper cause requirement for concealed carry permit issuance unconstitutional. They have passed numerous other gun controls in addition to the new concealed carry restrictions.

On August 24 Breitbart News noted Hochul’s announcement that the sale of AR-15s is banned for people under the age of 21 and that the state’s universal background check system has been expanded to include a look at social media postings when someone tries to buy a gun.

She also pointed out that background checks will be put in place for ammunition purchases.

NY Gov. Hochul Posts List of Where People Can't Be Armed for Self-Defense

New York Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) tweeted a list Wednesday showing exactly where law-abiding concealed carry permit holders are barred from being armed for self-defense.

www.breitbart.com

 

[homersheineken]

NY Gov. Hochul Posts List of Where People Can't Be Armed for Self-Defense

New York Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) tweeted a list Wednesday showing exactly where law-abiding concealed carry permit holders are barred from being armed for self-defense.

www.breitbart.com

"Public demonstrations and rallies". That's the one that matters to the regime.

It will literally be a crime to have a gun in the public. The DA will claim anything is a public demonstration. The state has effectively ended the 2nd amendment.

Watch out for other states following lead, as crime soars.

 

[Garuda]

Like they're going to enforce it on Magic Americans.

It's impossible to buy ammo in New York now.

 

[budoslavic]

 

[budoslavic]

Is UPS' New Rule Change An Attack On Gun Industry?​

United Parcel Service (UPS), one of the largest US package delivery companies, has changed shipping regulations that will hurt small to medium-sized gun manufacturers.

AmmoLand News obtained a letter that UPS sent customers in the firearms industry specifying how as of Aug. 29, shipments of at least 50 handguns per day had to be sustained to use its 2nd Day Air service. Sellers who did not meet new service volume requirements risk losing their shipping accounts.

"Under the new agreement, UPS is only required to give customers a ten-day notice before cutting them off from the shipping service," AmmoLand's John Crump said.

Crump explained: "The volume necessary means that most online retailers and manufacturers are now cut off from shipping guns through the carrier unless the handgun is shipped using the expensive Next Day Air service."

UPS told customers it "updated its policy to adhere to nationwide regulations issued by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives and a number of states."

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Anti-gun group, Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, has pressured FedEx and UPS to adopt "a policy of refusing to ship dangerous firearm products that are fueling the epidemic of gun violence in America." Giffords has routinely praised the Biden administration's attack on the Second Amendment.

Some firearms advocates say anti-gun think tanks like Giffords, pressuring private corporations to change their ways is actually "backdoor gun control."

"This is another example of the woke cancel culture coming from the anti-gun crowd," Erich Pratt, Senior Vice President of Gun Owners of America, told AmmoLand.

"The Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms, and by default, that should include the right of gun makers to ship their firearms to market. If UPS is going to act like an enemy of our Constitutional rights, then they shouldn't receive a dime of federal taxpayers' money," Pratt said.

The UPS change will only hurt small to medium-sized manufacturers. The anti-gun community figured they couldn't outright ban guns, so they would attempt to weaponize corporations to bankrupt gun companies.

Is UPS' New Rule Change An Attack On Gun Industry? | ZeroHedge

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[rainy]

I'm incredibly split on this.

On one hand, I was raised with guns. I own guns. I believe without any and all hesitation that guns are vital to a person's right to protect their family and their property.

On the other hand, I believe mental illness and general insanity among our population is increasing at a rapid rate. There are simply far too many people who have guns who should not. And yes, most of those guns are illegally obtained, used by gang bangers and criminals on the streets. But as a father even I am getting to the point of wanting to live somewhere where I am not concerned with my children getting shot randomly. I can teach my children to stay out of certain neighborhoods and avoid certain areas. Have street smarts. But that won't protect them against some 15 yr old mentally unstable, hormone fueled transgendered mess who thinks their life was ruined due to their parents/teachers and decides to take out 10 kids on their suicide mission.

I in no way would take guns away from law abiding citizens or restrict their gun ownership. But I really don't like where mental illness and overall violent crime is heading in America. It's a real bad mix. Further, I have zero trust in liberal DA's to uphold the constitution and state laws regarding protecting one's house/castle against intruders or general self defense laws.

Poverty, victim mindset, medication, drugs, inability of people to cope, 3rd world illegals, MSM brainwashing, catch and release, liberal policy all combined with an undercurrent of too many guns in their hands is not going to end well. It makes gun ownership for law abiding citizens even more important while also spinning the general safety of this country into the toilet.

 

[The Penitent Man]

I in no way would take guns away from law abiding citizens or restrict their gun ownership.

What is a “law abiding citizen,” who defines that, and how does that have any connection to the US Constitution’s prohibition against government obstructing people’s ability to obtain arms? Nobody in power ever had an issue with “law abiding citizens” wielding arms, because they determine who that is. They also determine who isn’t.

Likewise, what is a “mental illness,” who gets to define this, who gets to diagnose this or otherwise determine this, and what kind of people do you foresee will be considered mental defectives? Do you think it’s going to be the 23-year-old deranged social justice soldier in the process of a gender transition who spends what time he isn’t at his psychiatrist at riots or making threats to whitey? You think a law further empowering the people who hate people like you is going to keep weapons out of the hands of violent nutcases who also hate people like you? Or do you think you’ll be the one who winds up defenseless against a coalition of people you think shouldn’t have guns?

 

[Frussell]

I'm incredibly split on this.

On one hand, I was raised with guns. I own guns. I believe without any and all hesitation that guns are vital to a person's right to protect their family and their property.

On the other hand, I believe mental illness and general insanity among our population is increasing at a rapid rate. There are simply far too many people who have guns who should not. And yes, most of those guns are illegally obtained, used by gang bangers and criminals on the streets. But as a father even I am getting to the point of wanting to live somewhere where I am not concerned with my children getting shot randomly. I can teach my children to stay out of certain neighborhoods and avoid certain areas. Have street smarts. But that won't protect them against some 15 yr old mentally unstable, hormone fueled transgendered mess who thinks their life was ruined due to their parents/teachers and decides to take out 10 kids on their suicide mission.

I in no way would take guns away from law abiding citizens or restrict their gun ownership. But I really don't like where mental illness and overall violent crime is heading in America. It's a real bad mix. Further, I have zero trust in liberal DA's to uphold the constitution and state laws regarding protecting one's house/castle against intruders or general self defense laws.

Poverty, victim mindset, medication, drugs, inability of people to cope, 3rd world illegals, MSM brainwashing, catch and release, liberal policy all combined with an undercurrent of too many guns in their hands is not going to end well. It makes gun ownership for law abiding citizens even more important while also spinning the general safety of this country into the toilet.

Then arm and train your kids. I wouldn't recommend encouraging them to break the law, but I wouldn't discourage it either. Rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.

 

[Papist]

 

[Tom Slick]

I know the feds want to provoke us, but this seems a bit much, even more over reach than arresting Trump.

I really can't see how this helps the Dems. He'll probably walk it back into the memory hole tomorrow.