The Handgun Thread

[MOVSM]

I can't help but think that if I were a squad designated marksman I would have family members send me care packages with standard medium-game copper plated hollow point rounds that I could discreetly pocket on my way out of the base for patrol.

I sincerely doubt that the special forces are going into missions with that shitty UN approved ammo.

DM and snipers don't use regular M80 ball. They use M118LR or the latest MK 316 MOD 0 with open tip match bullet. They are good for hunting, apparently.

Hollow points in warfare will get you sent to Ft. Leavenworth in a hurry.

 

[J. Spice]

My understanding with the Boberg is it's basically a bullpup style pistol, where the barrel is behind the magazine. It's an interesting concept but I'd be worried about burning/blowing off my fingers shooting two-handed.

 

[MOVSM]

My understanding with the Boberg is it's basically a bullpup style pistol, where the barrel is behind the magazine. It's an interesting concept but I'd be worried about burning/blowing off my fingers shooting two-handed.

You don't have to worry. Pistols generally don't go kaboom! in as spectacular fashion as rifles do. The rounds simply don't have as much pressure.

[img=500x300]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/IMG_5240.jpg[/img]

Of course there are Elmer Keiths out there who will manage to blow up whatever with their experimental loads, but that is not your everyday situation.

Boberg is a well-built steel gun that will survive a squib no problem. You may have to replace the barrel though.

The biggest problem with Boberg is that most ammo is not designed to be jerked backwards, as it is with this design. Some have reported of rounds disassembling during loading cycle, leaving bullets and powder in the mag well. Messy. I think Boberg now recommends ammo on their website that will not do that.

 

[J. Spice]

My understanding with the Boberg is it's basically a bullpup style pistol, where the barrel is behind the magazine. It's an interesting concept but I'd be worried about burning/blowing off my fingers shooting two-handed.

You don't have to worry. Pistols generally don't go kaboom! in as spectacular fashion as rifles do. The rounds simply don't have as much pressure.

[img=500x300]http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/IMG_5240.jpg[/img]

Of course there are Elmer Keiths out there who will manage to blow up whatever with their experimental loads, but that is not your everyday situation.

Boberg is a well-built steel gun that will survive a squib no problem. You may have to replace the barrel though.

The biggest problem with Boberg is that most ammo is not designed to be jerked backwards, as it is with this design. Some have reported of rounds disassembling during loading cycle, leaving bullets and powder in the mag well. Messy. I think Boberg now recommends ammo on their website that will not do that.

I was referring to my hands/fingers sticking out past the muzzle when firing, not a catastrophic failure.

 

[MOVSM]

I was referring to my hands/fingers sticking out past the muzzle when firing, not a catastrophic failure.

Yeah, don't do that. this model is for concealed carry. you may want something with longer barrel. Boberg (now bond arms) used to make pistols with longer barrels. Let's see if the new owners will resume that.

 

[Topshelfhemp]

Draco sittin by the bookbag!!

 

[ShotgunUppercuts]

The hell is a Draco?

 

[Leonard D Neubache]

The hell is a Draco?

It's a pistolised version of an AK47.

[img=400x300]https://cdn.classicfirearms.com/cat...33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/m/i/micro2.jpg[/img]

They functionally exist to get around state laws banning "assault rifles" because in such a configuration they technically count as pistols. They of course can be very easily modified to become assault rifles once more if the need arises.

 

[J. Spice]

I found a new ballistics testing video that I'll have to watch when I get a minute.

 

[LeeEnfield303]

Hollow points in warfare will get you sent to Ft. Leavenworth in a hurry.

As I recall, the Geneva Convention specifies only FMJ for military small arms ammo. Of course, this did not prevent the Germans from using dum-dums in WWI.

 

[Leonard D Neubache]

Now this is a beautiful picture.

I'm so used to seeing clean, tidy guns that I often take their function under duress for granted. "Glocks work great, but they're ugly" etc.

Rare pictures like this remind us that when you need a gun, and I mean really need it, you can't guarantee it's going to be deployed in a dirt free environment, nor will you be carrying it in a ziplock bag.

 

[Ranch Hand]

Now this is a beautiful picture.
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I'm so used to seeing clean, tidy guns that I often take their function under duress for granted. "Glocks work great, but they're ugly" etc.

Rare pictures like this remind us that when you need a gun, and I mean really need it, you can't guarantee it's going to be deployed in a dirt free environment, nor will you be carrying it in a ziplock bag.

The only name-brand weapon I have used that delivered what I consider to be a serious misfire/malfunction was an over-priced, overworked "custom" .45 ACP subcompact that emptied a magazine on one squeeze when perfectly clean. To that manufacturer's credit, they immediately fixed the problem without cost to me. Still - my thought was: what happens when this thing is dusty/muddy?

On the other hand, I am pretty high on Glocks. Not concerned what anyone says about "plastic" weapons - they are accurate, stable, and pretty forgiving.

 

[Leonard D Neubache]

First shot I ever took with a Glock landed dead centre at 15 yards. And I mean "someone get me a microscope" dead centre.

That's God's way of saying "buy this gun".

 

[MOVSM]

Hollow points in warfare will get you sent to Ft. Leavenworth in a hurry.

As I recall, the Geneva Convention specifies only FMJ for military small arms ammo. Of course, this did not prevent the Germans from using dum-dums in WWI.

I think it prevents expanding bullets (which dum-dums aren't), because in U.S. service open tip match that Sierra is famous for are perfectly legal.

 

[MOVSM]

First shot I ever took with a Glock landed dead centre at 15 yards. And I mean "someone get me a microscope" dead centre.

That's God's way of saying "buy this gun".

How big was the group though?

If you think Glocks are accurate, you should shoot something with a fixed barrel. Makarovs are surprisingly accurate.
I had a CZ-52, and I once shot it at 150 yards at an 18 inch gong. Out of a magazine of 8, I connected 6 times.

 

[Leonard D Neubache]

First shot I ever took with a Glock landed dead centre at 15 yards. And I mean "someone get me a microscope" dead centre.

That's God's way of saying "buy this gun".

How big was the group though?

If you think Glocks are accurate, you should shoot something with a fixed barrel. Makarovs are surprisingly accurate.
I had a CZ-52, and I once shot it at 150 yards at an 18 inch gong. Out of a magazine of 8, I connected 6 times.

The groups were quite adequate. And along with the gun going "bang" every time I expect it to (and never when I don't) that's all I want.

Frankly I don't see the point in shaving off a mil at 25 yards if it means compromising on that other stuff. Or to put it another way, a lot of guys attend our local range to try and get the tightest group they can on a piece of paper over whatever time it takes to do that.

I try to make a hinged metal plate move as violently as possible in the shortest time possible.

Rifle distances are rifle distances and pistol distances are pistol distances. I can't see any likelihood IRL that I would ever regret not being able to make a 150 yard shot with a 9mm because I bought a Glock instead of a CZ.

 

[tomzestatlu]

So, gun owners in EU have 15 months to arm themself. Until now I owned only revolver in .38 special, but there´s no time to wait anymore, so next is going to be M70B1 (Yugoslavic copy of AK 47) in 7,62. Then I want to get famous Czech-made SA vz 58, also in 7,62.

 

[MOVSM]

So, gun owners in EU have 15 months to arm themself. Until now I owned only revolver in .38 special, but there´s no time to wait anymore, so next is going to be M70B1 (Yugoslavic copy of AK 47) in 7,62. Then I want to get famous Czech-made SA vz 58, also in 7,62.

Where in EU do you live, that you are permitted AKs and equivalent?

Personally, I would get something semiautomatic in 7.62x51 NATO. AR-10 isn't bad, FN SCAR 17 is very nice. If you want old-school--G3, FN FAL, m14, Sig 510.

 

[tomzestatlu]

So, gun owners in EU have 15 months to arm themself. Until now I owned only revolver in .38 special, but there´s no time to wait anymore, so next is going to be M70B1 (Yugoslavic copy of AK 47) in 7,62. Then I want to get famous Czech-made SA vz 58, also in 7,62.

Where in EU do you live, that you are permitted AKs and equivalent?

Personally, I would get something semiautomatic in 7.62x51 NATO. AR-10 isn't bad, FN SCAR 17 is very nice. If you want old-school--G3, FN FAL, m14, Sig 510.

Czech Republic. Of course you can´t own automatic rifle (actually you can, but only with exception). So all assault rifles are being converted to semi-automatic.

There are two reasons why I choose these two guns. First is price, I don´t a lot to spend and these are really cheap. Second is that I have passion for eastern arms. AK is just classic and reliable and SA vz 58 is heart thing and according to many people including me the best rifle ever made.

 

[ms224]

Does anyone own a beretta 92/96?

So, gun owners in EU have 15 months to arm themself. Until now I owned only revolver in .38 special, but there´s no time to wait anymore, so next is going to be M70B1 (Yugoslavic copy of AK 47) in 7,62. Then I want to get famous Czech-made SA vz 58, also in 7,62.

Where in EU do you live, that you are permitted AKs and equivalent?

Personally, I would get something semiautomatic in 7.62x51 NATO. AR-10 isn't bad, FN SCAR 17 is very nice. If you want old-school--G3, FN FAL, m14, Sig 510.

Czech Republic. Of course you can´t own automatic rifle (actually you can, but only with exception). So all assault rifles are being converted to semi-automatic.

There are two reasons why I choose these two guns. First is price, I don´t a lot to spend and these are really cheap. Second is that I have passion for eastern arms. AK is just classic and reliable and SA vz 58 is heart thing and according to many people including me the best rifle ever made.

Can you get any American guns?

A garand would be really cool. How about a Famas?

Does taking girls shooting on a date work there?