The homosexuality thread [retitled]

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RE: "Gay is the new straight" - Social Progressiveness is running unchecked ...

The battle is already lost gentlemen. Interesting note from Chuck Klosterman's "I Wear The Black Hat":

“Everyone knows history is written by the winners, but that cliché misses a crucial detail: Over time, the winners are always the progressives. Conservatism can only win in the short term, because society cannot stop evolving (and social evolution inevitably dovetails with the agenda of those who see change as an abstract positive). It might take seventy years, but it always happens eventually. Serious historians are, almost without exception, self-styled progressives.”

Excerpt From: Chuck Klosterman. “I Wear the Black Hat: Grappling With Villains (Real and Imagined).” iBooks.

 

[Yatagan]

RE: "Gay is the new straight" - Social Progressiveness is running unchecked ...

The battle is already lost gentlemen. Interesting note from Chuck Klosterman's "I Wear The Black Hat":

“Everyone knows history is written by the winners, but that cliché misses a crucial detail: Over time, the winners are always the progressives. Conservatism can only win in the short term, because society cannot stop evolving (and social evolution inevitably dovetails with the agenda of those who see change as an abstract positive). It might take seventy years, but it always happens eventually. Serious historians are, almost without exception, self-styled progressives.”

Excerpt From: Chuck Klosterman. “I Wear the Black Hat: Grappling With Villains (Real and Imagined).” iBooks.

He's right, in the sense that conservatives are merely liberals whom are a few years behind the times. Their very nature is to hold ground(unlike the left that takes it) and act as a last minute speed bump before surrendering and acting like they never opposed what the left was after.

Just look at what happened with the whole gay marriage thing, instead of pulling out stat after stat of gay promiscuity/lack of monogamy, STD rates or airing footage of gay depravity in events like the folsom street fair, their message was essentially "gays shouldn't marry because..... gays shouldn't marry". Is it any wonder why the left won that?

It's the same problem with the "moderates" (in actuality appeasers) in gamergate whom don't know what they're dealing with and think they'll win by acting "noble"(said nobility is something nobody but them cares about), instead of jumping in the mud and swinging like they should.

 

[Sherman]

RE: "Gay is the new straight" - Social Progressiveness is running unchecked ...

The battle is already lost gentlemen. Interesting note from Chuck Klosterman's "I Wear The Black Hat":

“Everyone knows history is written by the winners, but that cliché misses a crucial detail: Over time, the winners are always the progressives. Conservatism can only win in the short term, because society cannot stop evolving (and social evolution inevitably dovetails with the agenda of those who see change as an abstract positive). It might take seventy years, but it always happens eventually. Serious historians are, almost without exception, self-styled progressives.”

Excerpt From: Chuck Klosterman. “I Wear the Black Hat: Grappling With Villains (Real and Imagined).” iBooks.

Keep in mind that the word "progress" in "progressive" is just a marketing ploy and way of framing the debate to their advantage. Building a civilization over the course of a thousand years was progress. The left are destroyers, not builders. Maybe they should be called "destructives".

 

[ColSpanker]

RE: "Gay is the new straight" - Social Progressiveness is running unchecked in the West

I may still have that Chuck Klostermann book. I tried reading it because I liked some of his "Fargo Rock City" material, but I guess he's gone over to the Dark Side.

 

[Aurini]

RE: "Gay is the new straight" - Social Progressiveness is running unchecked ...

The pendulum will swing back once we hit another bad economic times.

Then we will all be suject to the Will of Landru




Once you have 10 million unemployed men rioting in the streets and burning entire towns, and you see the rich people fleeing to their bunkers in New Zealand...

That's when the Mormons take over. In the USA the Mormon church is locked and loaded and ready to take over. They've been prepping for decades. It's literally part of their church doctrine.

The Mormons then will start pushing the pendulum back. Then 10-15 years later, we see a society where women wear veils and men wear identical black suits. Gays are "reeducated". Feminists are chased out of town and live in shanties. The internet is entirely censored. Men are once again forced to get married to have sex of any kind.

Landru. Landru is coming for us. We must be "of the body of Landru". (Wailing noises in distance)

This is one of my big worries, more or less; 'corrections' are never nice, and they tend to over-correct in the right direction. To put things in my simple, Catholic understanding of the world, homosexuality is a sin of lust, while gay hatred is a sin of pride; one of the two is far, far worse.

Mimicking Mohammedan manners is unfit for the sons of Europe, but that might just be what it comes to. Soon enough, any man who stands for decency will have enemies on both sides of the political spectrum.

 

[Phoenix]

RE: "Gay is the new straight" - Social Progressiveness is running unchecked in the West

For fun, let's see if we can out-Left the Left.

"Five men caught having group sex with the carcasses of dead animals in a public park have been hailed today by civil rights groups for engaging in a brave and commendable free expression of their love. 'It's horrific that in this day and age, society is still oppressing people in this way, who's only crime was having different preferences to them. I think what they did is beautiful'. Police are now investigating troubling claims that local butchers have been denying sales of carcasses to members of the necrozoophilia community. Civil rights groups have also been campaigning against the prohibition of carcass-love in public schools, saying 'we're willing to take this all the way to the Supreme court if we have to, and believe me, we'll win'."

 

[Foolsgo1d]

RE: "Gay is the new straight" - Social Progressiveness is running unchecked ...

The mentally ill have been given power to rule over us. That is the new normal.

Hillary Clinton has not yet won the White House.

 

[Easy_C]

RE: "Gay is the new straight" - Social Progressiveness is running unchecked ...

Next up after trannies is polygamists. Some people will tell you it'll be paedophiles but I don't buy it; this cult relies on young women to be it's 'useful idiots' and I can't see them getting behind the idea of old men touching up girls*. It's literally so creepy I can't even.

*Female paedos though, yeah. I can see a push for it to be made legal for adult women to have sex with children happening for SURE.

Maybe, but I also never would have thought that you could have gotten them to defend the idea of a dude being allowed to hang out in their bathrooms and locker rooms.

 

[NO_LIMIT_CRACKA]

RE: "Gay is the new straight" - Social Progressiveness is running unchecked ...

Bill Maher dropped a line the other night that I think is pretty profound. When commenting on how far over the top the PC police have gone lately, he observed that "gay has become the new straight".

As somebody who would be considered "socially progressive" on this forum, and who fully supports gay marriage, I'm honestly stunned at how quickly the social justice movement has swung behind the cause of normalizing transgenders.

No hemming or hawing, no delays, just straight up - "IF YOU DON'T APPLAUD BRUCE JENNER'S COURAGE YOU'RE A TRANSPHOBIC BIGOT AND MAY AS WELL JOIN THE KLAN"

I'm starting to think that some of the conservatives who I mocked and and felt superior to because of their "Where will it end?" argument may have had a point....

Oh wow, a liberal with some self-awareness, that's a new one

 

[Kristoph]

RE: "Gay is the new straight" - Social Progressiveness is running unchecked ...

Next up after trannies is polygamists. Some people will tell you it'll be paedophiles but I don't buy it; this cult relies on young women to be it's 'useful idiots' and I can't see them getting behind the idea of old men touching up girls*. It's literally so creepy I can't even.

*Female paedos though, yeah. I can see a push for it to be made legal for adult women to have sex with children happening for SURE.

I was wrong, Jesus fucking wept, I was wrong.

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/video-young-boy-twerking-pride-has-homophobes-outraged15061

 

[Lucario]

RE: "Gay is the new straight" - Social Progressiveness is running unchecked ...

You haven't seen bad until you see this...they are essentially making a lesbian to be the ultimate alpha at getting girls and the straight girls are going nuts for it....it is straight up leftist conditioning.

 

[spokepoker]

RE: "Gay is the new straight" - Social Progressiveness is running unchecked in the West

Oh for fuck's sake. They better not segue this with a "The G word" where a gay goes around making guys turn, or whatever the hell is going on in that fucking show.

 

[Sonsowey]

RE: "Gay is the new straight" - Social Progressiveness is running unchecked in the West

That twerking video. Jesus.

Our propaganda is the world-beater. No one has ever conquered the world with their propaganda the way we have.

It's disgusting what we're capable of.

 

[Wutang]

RE: "Gay is the new straight" - Social Progressiveness is running unchecked ...

I am in the same boat, I recently have gone from socially left to right by just not changing my opinions with the times. Anyone who stands still will have the same thing happen to them.

Crazy times we live in.

I get what he's saying, but the radicals 60 years ago (and liberals 30) never really believed in equality - that was never the endgame, and their writings prove it. But they had to wrap their agenda in fair-sounding language to get most people to buy in.

I noticed a change in the how both sides of the political spectrum perceives free speech in the last 15 years or so.

Before it was typically more left-winging people who would call on it to support their right to express their opinions. I remember distinctively being in high school around say 2003 when Bush was still president and the Dixie Chicks made some comment at a concert about how they were ashamed he was from the same state they are from. This lead to them getting their music pulled from certain country stations and I remember some left-leaning person complaining about how could America pride itself on it's free speech when stuff like this is happening and I also remember this guy getting the "free speech only protects you from being persecuted by the government due to your speech it doesn't stop private entities from responding in the way they wish" explanation from other people. The idea is that private firms do not have to provide a platform for any speech they don't agree with and do not have to associate themselves with people or other firms that express opinions contrary to their own if they wish.

Fast forward today and the tables have totally turned. Now it's typically right-wingers that have to appeal to free speech when they express their now unpopular opinions and the leftists that respond with "free speech only protects you from being persecuted by the government blah blah blah YOU SHITLORD". They know that they are the ones that hold cultural power now and we can see them making use of it through their constant mass-shaming tactics such as Twitter mobs. It's the leftists now that constantly make the "private firms don't have to give you a platform for you to express your problematic opinions" since now they know they either control these platforms or have the ability to make people who do control these platforms to bend to their will.

The whole purpose of free speech isn't to protect speech that everyone agrees with; such speech doesn't need protection. It is speech that is likely to be vilified and to go against public opinion that needs protection. Now that the leftist's cultural agenda is mainstream, free speech is no longer a shield they need and hence it has been cast off. And since it's typically right-wingers that have to appeal to free speech to even get a word in these days, not only free speech been cast off it is also being vilified as a way for the left's ideological opponents to commit "microaggressions" and hence as something dangerous that needs to be suppressed. It's funny how the left still likes to see themselves as plucky underdogs when it's clear that they are the ones that are occupying the bully pulpit now.

 

[blacknwhitespade]

RE: "Gay is the new straight" - Social Progressiveness is running unchecked in the West

I wonder will gender-fluid public restrooms have flowers on the countertop by the sinks?

 

[Saga]

RE: "Gay is the new straight" - Social Progressiveness is running unchecked ...

The battle is already lost gentlemen. Interesting note from Chuck Klosterman's "I Wear The Black Hat":

“Everyone knows history is written by the winners, but that cliché misses a crucial detail: Over time, the winners are always the progressives. Conservatism can only win in the short term, because society cannot stop evolving (and social evolution inevitably dovetails with the agenda of those who see change as an abstract positive). It might take seventy years, but it always happens eventually. Serious historians are, almost without exception, self-styled progressives.”

Excerpt From: Chuck Klosterman. “I Wear the Black Hat: Grappling With Villains (Real and Imagined).” iBooks.

In the end, that's certainly true, but a doctor's job isn't to keep someone alive forever, it's to keep the body functioning for as long as possible. Civilizations always fail, but the difference between great societies and forgettable ones lies in how long their flame burns, and how gloriously.

Ancient Egypt lasted for about 2000-3000 years as a contiguous polity with astonishingly limited changes in governance, art and religion, and this was a result of their worldview. Egyptians saw change as something to be practiced only when necessary, but even more crucially they felt the burden of proof was on new customs to demonstrate their worth. Likewise, they were obsessed with works of permanence and viewed it as a form of immortality. To them, things were only great if they lasted (the product of this inspired the Arab proverb "all things dread time; time dreads the pyramids"). Their society did evolve, but slowly and purposefully. Radicals in power like Akhenaten only made small headway that was soon erased.

Now look at our mentality. To us, the burden of proof rests on what does exist and what has served our ancestors, whereas newfangled dreams and theories are treated as sacrosanct and worthwhile by default. Impermanence is seen as a virtue onto itself. Changes made to the cultural and social fabric are almost invariably left and then strengthened. Modern society is the exact opposite of everything that maintained the great civilizations of the past, and that's why we've been hastily squandering some of the most important facets of our world for the last 60 years.

Is decline inevitable? Yes, but the speed and indignity of this particular decline was certainly avoidable.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

RE: "Gay is the new straight" - Social Progressiveness is running unchecked ...

You haven't seen bad until you see this...they are essentially making a lesbian to be the ultimate alpha at getting girls and the straight girls are going nuts for it....it is straight up leftist conditioning.

Excellent point - lesbians can be as masculine, possessive, domineering, sexual as they want. See how all her mannerisms are 100% Alpha and how she would be put into Douchebag category if she were a man in the TV series.

 

[wi30]

"Gay is the new straight" - Social Progressiveness is running unchecked in the West

As someone who is also fairly progressive I'm often taken aback by some of the outrage I get when I don't support the SJWs latest pet project just because I'm pro-gay marriage. I just find it baffling that so many people look at the two issues as if they are equivalent. One is about people having the right to feel attracted to whoever they want without fear of persecution and I'm totally behind it (if banging other dudes makes you happy I don't really care one way or the other). But the other is a legitimate mental illness where people, despite the fact they were physically born one gender, think that they are another. That is pretty plainly delusional.

I think one of the biggest reasons for their association is just because at some point in the past some numbskull decided to add the T to the LGB flagship. I feel like because of this a lot of gays feel like they have to support the transgender movement. I think that once gay marriage is completely legalized (definitely gonna happen) a lot more gay people will withdraw their support of the trannies. I personally know a couple of gay guys who are not fans at all of the whole Bruce Jenner spectacle but are uncomfortable voicing that opinion from fear of what some of the people in their community would think.

Called it.

 

[Phoenix]

RE: "Gay is the new straight" - Social Progressiveness is running unchecked ...

saying 'we're willing to take this all the way to the Supreme court if we have to, and believe me, we'll win'."

LOL, said this before the faggening. All so predictable, unfortunately.

 

[Dusty]

RE: "Gay is the new straight" - Social Progressiveness is running unchecked in the West

If you said Obama's words in this video from 2008 in 2015, you'd be labeled a hateful bigot and excluded from polite society: