The "Hotep" movement

[nomadbrah]

Interesting.

The Egyptian thing and the thing about blacks founding Meso-America seems to be critized often by blacks and whites, which I would disagree with. Unlike Nation of Islam, they are not claiming some absurd story of wizards and neanderthals, but making a myth which has some basis, or at least plausible deniability, in history.

Some pharoes were obviously Nubian/Negroid and the claim that the Olmec were blacks from a Egyptian/Phoenician expedition is not even Afrocentric but comes from Thor Heyerdahl, famous and best selling, norwegian anthropologist.

http://www.whiteindians.com/diffusionism/bearded-gods.html (original 1971 text).

Lacking suitable stone in their jungle habitat, the Olmecs would fetch stones weighing up to 25 tons and drag them back over 50 miles through swamps and jungles to their temple sites. With unsurpassed skill, they sculpted human heads and full figures--in the round and in relief--so realistically that we today have a very good indication of what the Olmecs looked like.

To judge from their art, the Olmecs comprised two contrasting ethnic types: one was remarkably Negroid, with thick lips, flat broad nose, and a round face.

There are bad myths and there are positive myth. This is a positive myth which doesn't hurt anyone and creates some grounding for African Americans in America proper. It probably won't be accepted by the majority, but who knows?

 

[Buck Wild]

After reading their article "Why do blacks hate Hoteps", I came to the conclusion that I don't fuck with this community which is Ironic because I myself am a high IQ, conservative black man. The main difference is that I'm a Christian (I'm not super religous) - and they seem to go out of their way to criticise Christians in this article. Furthermore, they think my standards of beauty and of this forum are diluted.

That's a major problem in the Alt Right as well. You'd think that the importance of religion would be self evident; that even if you view it as nothing more than a memeplex, its presence prevents infection by more virulent and deadly memeplexes - such as Globalism, hedonism, and materialism. But Christianity directs you to be in this world, but not of it. It commands you to be actively doing works in this world, but it doesn't promise materialistic glory. There are still a large number of people who are locked into the materialist ethos, even as they oppose the Globalists who are the ultimate manifestation of materialism, and thus remain angry at Christianity, not just for the Churchian aspects, but at the inevitable humbling that comes when you contemplate the absolute.

Well put, Aurini.

This exactly how I feel about religion and why I generally respect people of faith, even though I myself am an atheist.

 

[TigerMandingo]

I also like a guy that is very liberal and I do not agree with probably 70 percent of what he believes. Dr. Umar Johnson. He is extremely Afrocentric, but he destroys homosexual agenda as well as Scorpion does here. Because he is a doctor that sees men struggling with it as patients, he uses numbers and facts to back up his claims. He pisses off so many black liberals it's ridiculous. He sends Black Liberals hamsters spinning into overdrive and out of orbit! He can remind you of Louis Farrakhan in a way. I have seen people in comment sections calling him a Hotep alot, so that is how I found that term.

Haha I thought I was the only one around here who digs Umar Johnson. I was binge-watching his stuff on YouTube a few months back. VERY interesting character - think Louis Farrakhan meets Alex Jones. He's extremely passionate about his beliefs - which I like, but like you I take a lot of what he says with a huge grain of salt. I like how he hates on Obama and the gay agenda, as well as saying that the only way for salvation for black Americans is through building their own businesses and networks.

Even though I'm white, I find this guy fascinating.

His interview with DJ Vlad is great:

 

[fokker]

We had an article on Hoteps at the Kings Wiki for a while: http://en.kingswiki.com/wiki/Hotep_Twitter

I reckon it could be updated with info from the new ROK article on Hoteps and some of these Hotep sites linked.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Just saw this vid recently.

Actually the only thing that one might give them some credibility is whether blacks existed in South America 1000 years ago - there are some findings for that.

Anything else is thrown completely out of context and often batshit crazy.

It is like Islamists claiming that a Muslim invented air travel 900 years before the Wright brothers - turns out that it was a crazy guy who threw himself off higher buildings using various constructs - usually falling barely slower than a stone.

According to some secondary sources, about 20 years before Ibn Firnas attempted to fly he may have witnessed Firman as he wrapped himself in a loose cloak stiffened with wooden struts and jumped from a tower in Córdoba, intending to use the garment as wings on which he could glide. The alleged attempt at flight was unsuccessful, but the garment slowed his fall enough that he only sustained minor injuries.[4]

I don't mind blacks trying to get away from the victim mentality, but they should really stop chasing crap. I don't see the Chinese endlessly repeating that they invented gun powder and had a higher civilization than Europe 1000 years ago.

What matters to them is copying from the West what works, making it better while retaining their own unique culture. The Japanese do the same - they copied our science and technology, built on that, took even our fashion, but still retained their food, culture and history.

Blacks should do the same instead of reinventing past imaginary unproven achievements.

So far only Marvel artists imagined a black African high-tech country named Wakanda:

It is not impossible, but takes more than historical revisionism to make this reality.

No German tries to claim to have been in a superior scientific position 2500 years ago. Plenty of other tribes were much further along for various reasons. History is past, what matters is now and what kind of future is going to be created.

 

[debeguiled]

Yeah, but there are plenty of white Americans who can't even use a calculator trying to take credit for math and science and magic white girls.

Defense mechanisms like you are talking about are the domain of people who don't think they have anything to offer, and there are a lot of them around these days.

 

[DarkTriad]

Many of you know this already, but I don't subscribe to Afrocentrism at all. Some black members here do not like me or my views on the differences between Black Americans that have ancestors that were slaves/born here and actual Africans or Caribbean blacks. Some of them actually have a passport with a homeland where we are stuck here and will forever be American. We cannot choose to be something else just because color is similar or the same. They probably call me a traitor, and I think they lack understanding. It is what it is.

Like lots of other Americans my DNA is a hodgepoge. I am not 100% African by any stretch of the imagination. Majority blacks in America are similar, like Excelsior said, most are not over 85% West African DNA wise. Culturally I identify as a Louisianian or East Texan. I hunt, fish, and do whatever the others there do. Of all Africans I know, I share nothing in common with them.

To be honest, I don't really have a problem with a black American guy who wants to identify with Egypt, Africa, or whatever else the hell he wants to.

If you think about it, it's not really any different from a white American guy who identifies with the Greeks, Romans, Vikings, and English all at the same time because he descended from Europeans. Yet clearly he doesn't have direct ancestry from all (or sometimes any) of those groups.

Great post, but there are likely millions of Americans at this point with lineage back to all of the above. The Viking are the "Normans" that conquered England, it's pretty common for Englishmen to have Viking blood, Greeks and Romans had close relationships and intermarriage for centuries. All you need is someone with both English and Italian ancestry and it's pretty much a given.

 

[Atlanta Man]

I don't really identify with the Hotep guys or their movement at all. However, good for them if it makes them happy, relevant or wealthy-it is just not for me. I kind of just do my own thing and look out for my own self interest. I really have nothing in common with any of the Hotep, Black Israelite, Moor, Nation of Islam, Black Supremacy, or Anti White dudes I meet in Atlanta-None of them have anything to say or do that I find interesting.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Also, some of these same non-black people that hate us, share the same ancestors we have, what sense does that make? I also think there while we have American subcultures, Black Culture is just American culture period. We all got into Jazz together and most hip hop fans were white as well. Leave the USA, and no one talks about your color hardly. You have a blue passport and you are just another American.

Excellent post Traverlkai - I think that we are more united in terms of ideology than any other divide. That is why the globalists support BlackLivesMatter and why Obama threw oil into the fire of the racial divide.

Like Morgan Freeman said - African American culture is American culture first. Many of them are certainly of mixed genetic heritage. In addition only 1.6% of Whites ever had slaves and there were some 500.000 white slaves in the early American history. There were also black slave owners. Real history is murky and less clear-cut as it seems.

Personally I never cared much about those issues since I became spiritual pretty early in life, considered reincarnation a clear possibility and became friends with quite a few black folk. I consider some of them brothers closer than many family members because we simply have more in common on more important things than how dark our skin color is or what kind of muscular tissue we have in our bodies. In my opinion you are born in different lives among different races to experience diverse things. (Nevermind if you believe in that or not.)

In my opinion the Alt Right is a Hotep cult of sorts. They are right on some issues, but a strong part of them goes crazy in terms of race and "Aryan purity".

As much as the globalists prefer to divide us, we are far more united on ideological lines here. Like the Predator platoon we can clearly see what ideology is a real shitshow and destroys civilization - and which is helping us to pull through together.

 

[Enigma]

As much as the globalists prefer to divide us, we are far more united on ideological lines here. Like the Predator platoon we can clearly see what ideology is a real shitshow and destroys civilization - and which is helping us to pull through together.

Everyone dies in Predator except for the white guy. What are you trying to say Zel?

 

[Fortis]

As a black man, I have a pretty poor opinion of these guys. Sure, they are sorta red pill in some ways, but they still have a bit of a victim mentality. I know 1 HUGE hotep guy. He literally says, "hotep, power to the people." He's that deep into this shit. I'm not even joking. He's an older guy and very active in NJ community politics. I respect him for putting his money where his mouth is and being out on the streets, but he's ALWAYS whining about cultural appropriation and other conspiratorial shit.

He's the sort of guy who is deeply afrocentric. I don't mind that. Worship who you like, but I sometimes find the revisionist approach to history that they employ to be vexing. Don't get me wrong, give countries their due but to try and totally structure our conception of the modern world strictly around nebulous african concepts is a bit dishonest. To be honest, any sort of "centric" pisses me off: Anglo, afro, sino or slavo. Get the fuck over yourself and go do something.

Remember when that black teacher in a bad neighborhood came up with a special handshake for each of his students? He never commented on that, but the second a white teacher did the same thing to connect with her students he was flipping shit about it. I called him out on it because it's hypocritical to say that whites don't help in the hood and then get angry when a white person tries to imitate something that worked to help black students become more engaged and successful.

The other issue I have is that these guys are often proponents of Islam, but they aren't really true followers. I have a pretty neutral stance on Islam but I hate it when someone says that follow any doctrine but half-ass it. So many Hotep guys give themselves authenic African names and talk about Allah this and Allah that but they're out here drinking, smoking and fucking out of wedlock. Whether or not you like Islam or give a shit about it, that stuff isn't condoned in the book so that level of hypocrisy rubs me the wrong way. Keep it real. If you're an agnostic just say it. No need to front with the african names and the faux-islam.

This stuff goes back pretty deep in the black community. Hotep might be the name right now but there have been dudes hawking bean pies (for those of you who get that reference) in the barbershop trying to tell young black men about Allah and Islam since times immemorial.

The only thing I really like is that it's a philosophy that does try to put black sin an empowered position through their own effort. The biggest issue I have with black leadership is that our leaders cater to the mindset that we are owed things. Whether or not we are owed something it doesn't seem like that free shit is coming so we better do it for ourselves. Sadly, a lot of the Hotep stuff is deeply set in a victim mindset and I can't get down with it.

My verdict: Next.

 

[Atlanta Man]

^^^Exactly. I agree with all that Fortis wrote.

 

[Fortis]

I also agree with TK on the whole cultural thing. I am about as African as the average white dude on this forum.

I have deeply mixed ancestral. I do see myself as an American. Just to give you an idea of how it can be, I was hanging out with this British black chick. She can trace her lineage back to a certain time and place in her home country. I don't have this luxury and, to be frank, who gives a flying fuck? Me suddenly figuring out that my ancestors were from Western africa doesn't really mean all that much to me. I'm not gonna suddenly don a dashiki and try to ape a western african style and culture. That isn't me.

As far as I'm concerned my family's point of origin was in the south. That's the only place you're gonna get black, native and white people hanging out all at the same time.

I look back at photos of my great grandparents and they look American to me. A mix of black, white and native blood is readily apparent in them.

I am a product of America and I'll always be American first and foremost. I am black, sure, but my ancestral homeland is America. When I think of going home I think of going back to East Coast america. It's in the blood and it's where I'm from. Africa doesn't really figure into my concept of home.

A lot of Americans feel the way I do, we just don't really talk about it because it's a pretty bizarre topic. Yes, you may have ancestors from Ireland who came here 200 years ago but you're not culturally all that Irish; you just look like a Celt. I do have some friends who come from families where they have closely guarded european ways of doing things but that is such a small group of people where I'm from.

 

[Enigma]

The NEW Hotep is not the same as the OLD Hotep.

They make fun of cultural appropriation...





They are not pro-Islam...





And they do not espouse a victim mentality...

 

[Disco_Volante]

Any group that has alternative, anti-globalist ideas is good in my book. Even if you don't agree with everything they say, getting people to think differently is a gateway to the red pill.

Most of us did not start out with globalism shit, we simply noticed women behaved much differently than what we were being taught, and looked into it, revealing many other truths about the world in the process.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

There was this article on ROK: http://www.returnofkings.com/116906...t-an-ally-in-the-war-against-globalist-elites

Hotep movement seems to be a way for some black men to find direction, but it seems to be very diverse.

This incredible attempt of historical revisionism isn't helpful.

Also the attempt of pushing Islam by some is just nuts. Anyone who studies Islam well enough should know that black people are probably the worst targets for this religion. The word ABED for black in Arabic is identical for SLAVE, there are numerous references in the Koran and the Hadiths as to blacks (Mohammed called blacks raisinheads, he once said that Satan looked like a black man, the Koran often exalts the virtue of having white skin etc.).

You may say much against Christianity, but the lore is specifically against slavery and Christianity taught right off the start that every human/ every soul is equal - back in times where slavery was rampant. Some even call Christianity a religion of slaves for slaves, since it was picked up by the numerous slaves of the Middle East and Rome so readily.

Islam has the opposite - you have passages of how to keep slaves and treat them well. Mohammed himself had owned and traded black slaves, Jesus freed them (figuratively speaking).

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As for the culture thing - one of my best buddies is a Norwegian born half-black-half-Viking. His father is from the Caribbean and his mom is a blonde Norwegian woman. Of course he is more European by culture, he served in the Norwegian marines. He married now a Russian girl and pops out 25% black babies (who look white already) with her. Also he works in self-employed in IT and his customers love him, because he is such a lovable guy. What culture should he feel himself close - African? He is a Norwegian and nothing more.

As for the Hoteps - they are a partly a positive movement, but I would stay away from Islam and from too much unfounded revisionism. It does not matter who came up with what.

I for one would not care jack shit if an Alien advanced green-skinned race came to Earth, conquered everything and would make us second class citizens, if we as now second class citizens lived better off than as first class citizens on Earth before. If I can become a space explorer for the now green-skinner Master-Race and have a higher living standard due to technology than before, then so be it - they rule, but I am still better off.

 

[debeguiled]

I listened to this and I agree with a lot of what he says. It is just red pill stuff with a focus on applying the info specifically to the black community.

He keeps coming back to being Pan African, and I am not sure what that is, so maybe someone can enlighten me. The feeling I get is that it is a form of black nationalism involving a separate and self sustaining black nation, though he doesn't exactly come out and say it, so I am not sure.

I like that he has a clinical psych background and considers gays to be sexually confused and not, ahem, *born that way*. He makes the good point that most gay kids have been sexually abused as youngsters, and had their agency as men taken away from an early age, emasculated before they had a chance to be masculine basically, he will only call gay men sexually confused, for example. He can speak with authority because of a clinical background.

That he concerns himself only with how these things affect young black men rather than young men only makes sense, he is specializing.

He says he is trying to get a school started where the kids will live there, and he can, like the Jesuits, get kids while they are young and try to teach and raise them right.

My only notes of caution came because I don't really understand Pan Africanism, in that it seems pretty un-American in the sense that he doesn't believe in the melting pot idea or in the concept of civil rights for gays for example. I don't care about this personally, I just think that he is going to have a tough time implementing his policies in this country.

He speaks for example of having the school be open only to black students, and only have black teachers and no gay teachers, and no faculty member will be allowed to be in a romantic relationship with a member of another race.


I have no idea how he will get away with implementing these policies given the laws of this country.

So, a lot of good stuff, some stuff I don't understand, and some stuff that seems like he will never get away with.

Worth listening to.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Listened to an interview with the Hotep Jesus on Red Ice radio:



Gotta say - I fully stand behind guys like that just as I like some Alt Righters.

He is an anti-left, anti-feminist, pro Red Pill, tribal affirmative guy. And the way he advocates is to look at things how they are, to question everything and for black communities to reach forward financially, prosper, because the world belongs to the rich and strong.

He is also quite ethno-centric and would even approve a massive move of blacks to an African state where they could create a country worth living in.

He has his own opinions, but certainly is not pro Islam. He also calls those WE-WAZ-KINGS guys as having a serious case of KANGS. (read it on his Twitter)

Great guy. Hotep is certainly not a bad movement, but you gotta ask - which direction the guy is from just as with the AltRighters. But either way - probably all Hotep directions are better than the BlackLivesMatter victim-lefties who go out in support for TheCunt Hillary.

Anyone who sees the fractional reserve banking system as our first real enemy is my kind of brother (in the most positive sense).

https://twitter.com/VibeHi

 

[The Resilient]

I have a black friend whose wife homeschools their kids. There are a lot of dimensions to this. I don't want to say they are independent thinkers but rather someone in their community who is a leader is an independent thinker, and they follow his thinking. A lot of these beliefs parallel red pill/ROK. But most people just think of this as their personal worldview, not whether they are political allies with another group.

It genuinely sounds like what social tribalism in its finest.

 

[debeguiled]

If videos like this are possible, Alt-righters having reasonable chats with Hotep dudes, SJWs are truly fucked.

The cheese stands alone.

The writing is on the wall.

Ha. Ha.