The Hunting & Fishing Thread

Early Bird

Woodpecker
Catholic
Thought I would start a thread dedicated to hunting, fishing and love of the outdoors. Getting away from screens and the degeneracy of big cities is never a bad thing.

Please share your stories, questions, tips, recipes, etc.

I wanted to share the below thought with you to kick off this thread.


Hunting is like birth for men

Perhaps the most masculine endeavour, hunting, in a sort of inverse way, becomes our version of birth: dangerous with the possibility of injury or death during the act, and its commensurate emotional journey.

Hunting defines our relationship with the animal. It reaffirms our dominion over nature and our place within the natural law. It provides us with an appreciation for the animal’s life and the sustenance it provides. Hunting allows us to marvel at God’s creation by experiencing both the immense beauty and brutality of the natural world.

To guide an animal mercifully towards a swift death requires both strength and grace, like ushering a new life into the world. You feel emotions of excitement, frustration, fear, relief, satisfaction and validation that your aim was true and your family won’t die of starvation. This perhaps being a masculine analogue of the validation a mother feels -- that all her lady parts ‘work’ and she created a family – when her true calling has been fulfilled.

Hunting allows men to get close to the miracle of life, in a way that most women don’t understand because they don't need to – with the “but why did you have to kill that poor thing?” being the prevailing objection as they partake in the nourishing fruits of your labour. She will never cease to feel sadness first, no matter how accustomed to it she is. As we are different, and we love differently. Like the saying goes, women are born and men are made.

Men and women have a different relationship to children. Their instinct is to nurture and ours is to fight and provide. Ever notice how the office or workplace instantly erupts in both cheers and tears from all the women the moment a colleague emerges from mat leave to show off her new baby? It’s the most important thing in the world. She relishes in the attention and validation of her peers. The same phenomenon exists, albeit to a lesser degree, with puppies or cute little pets (child substitutes among many liberal/feminist women in big cities). It’s also a form of female bonding and cooperation, where she now joins others in the ranks of mother and can discuss remedies and anecdotes and partake in that sacred tradition. It also raises her status among women.

Men simply don’t feel that same surge of emotions at the sight of another man’s child or a little purse dog. But they will giggle like little school girls and high-five each other after landing a giant fish or bringing down a trophy animal.

Men are not able to infiltrate that foreign world. We give space and reverence to it, standing on guard patiently and with vigilance at the border. We pursue difficult and dangerous activities to strengthen ourselves, so that we can guard that border more effectively.


Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, overall the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them

Then God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


- Genesis 1:26-28
 

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JustinHS

Robin
Orthodox
I went coon hunting with my uncles and cousins almost 30 years ago. They raised Black and Tan hounds. Not hunting anymore, though...

I’m very interested in deer and squirrel hunting. Especially, bow hunting for deer. We’re looking at various plots of land, something like 10-20 acres to move out to where I won’t have get a hunting license. My son will definitely learn how to hunt.
 

Early Bird

Woodpecker
Catholic
I went coon hunting with my uncles and cousins almost 30 years ago. They raised Black and Tan hounds. Not hunting anymore, though...

I’m very interested in deer and squirrel hunting. Especially, bow hunting for deer. We’re looking at various plots of land, something like 10-20 acres to move out to where I won’t have get a hunting license. My son will definitely learn how to hunt.
That’s great. It’s tough to get a deer within bow range. Very rewarding when you get one though, and lots of healthy lean meat.

I harvested one last month with a crossbow. Something very primitive above bringing down an animal with an arrow compared to a gun.

Would you be hunting the raccoons for their pelts and meat?

Good on you for planning to teach your son.
 

Dr Mantis Toboggan

Pelican
Catholic
Gold Member
I've been wanting to start hunting but never learned as a kid, how would you recommend getting started? There are a few companies in my area that run guided hog and deer hunts, been thinking about signing up for one of them (actually meant to this fall but didn't get around to it).
 

NoMoreTO

Hummingbird
Catholic
I've been wanting to start hunting but never learned as a kid, how would you recommend getting started? There are a few companies in my area that run guided hog and deer hunts, been thinking about signing up for one of them (actually meant to this fall but didn't get around to it).

I have the same issue, I'd like to hunt, I just never get around to it.

A friend of mine is a hunter and while he says it's one of the things he enjoys most, he struggles to make the time.
 

Grow Bag

Pelican
Catholic
In England we used to hunt as boys. Of course not having access to rifles, other than air rifles, we mainly used catapults (sling-shot) and a few got really proficient with them. There's something primal about stalking though and I'd love to hunt bigger game with a rifle. I'm not so sure about a crossbow or bow, as I can't see them leading to a merciful kill too many times.

Where I live we have a lot of game birds bred for shooting, but I don't poach. In a good year I'll bag 4 or 5 road kill birds and would get more if I made the effort to tour the lanes. My area has a lot of potential for free meat and I do have an air rifle, but I left it down south. Wood pigeon would be my quarry, as farmers would be more than willing to allow a person to bring down the numbers of those grain eaters.
 

Early Bird

Woodpecker
Catholic
I've been wanting to start hunting but never learned as a kid, how would you recommend getting started? There are a few companies in my area that run guided hog and deer hunts, been thinking about signing up for one of them (actually meant to this fall but didn't get around to it).
Depending on where you are located, there will be different licensing requirements. A firearms course / license and a hunting license. Then you will need to purchase the relevant tags for the species you plan to hunt. You will have to familiarize yourself with local laws as well that might prohibit hunting on certain days or in certain areas. Just make sure everything is legal and ethical to avoid potentially nasty fines from game officers.

If you can sign up for these guided hunts in your area that’s a perfect start, and some of these places might be able to take care of the licensing for you (or you can operate under their blanket license).

Also don’t go crazy with gear. With the popularity of Netflix shows like Meat Eater the whole ‘designer camo’ gear industry has really grown over the past few years. You can get cheap and durable stuff from army surplus stores, etc.

Most importantly, practice with your firearm or bow many times before taking it afield to pursue game.
 

Early Bird

Woodpecker
Catholic
In England we used to hunt as boys. Of course not having access to rifles, other than air rifles, we mainly used catapults (sling-shot) and a few got really proficient with them. There's something primal about stalking though and I'd love to hunt bigger game with a rifle. I'm not so sure about a crossbow or bow, as I can't see them leading to a merciful kill too many times.

Where I live we have a lot of game birds bred for shooting, but I don't poach. In a good year I'll bag 4 or 5 road kill birds and would get more if I made the effort to tour the lanes. My area has a lot of potential for free meat and I do have an air rifle, but I left it down south. Wood pigeon would be my quarry, as farmers would be more than willing to allow a person to bring down the numbers of those grain eaters.
Great to hear from those outside of North America. Pigeon is delicious, although many would scoff at the idea of eating them because of associating them with the dirty city variety.

You’d be surprised at the efficacy and lethality of bows/crossbows. My crossbow is so powerful it will pass right through a moose and create a massive wound channel, causing the animal to bleed out and expire very quickly. They are often times more effective because they require more practice & precision, whereas one can have a sense of false confidence with a larger bore rifle and require multiple shots because of poor shot placement.
 

Dr Mantis Toboggan

Pelican
Catholic
Gold Member
Depending on where you are located, there will be different licensing requirements. A firearms course / license and a hunting license. Then you will need to purchase the relevant tags for the species you plan to hunt. You will have to familiarize yourself with local laws as well that might prohibit hunting on certain days or in certain areas. Just make sure everything is legal and ethical to avoid potentially nasty fines from game officers.

If you can sign up for these guided hunts in your area that’s a perfect start, and some of these places might be able to take care of the licensing for you (or you can operate under their blanket license).

Also don’t go crazy with gear. With the popularity of Netflix shows like Meat Eater the whole ‘designer camo’ gear industry has really grown over the past few years. You can get cheap and durable stuff from army surplus stores, etc.

Most importantly, practice with your firearm or bow many times before taking it afield to pursue game.

Thanks! I'm a bit of a gun guy so I have a decent amount of gear and planned to just use my old Army multicams, just need to get out there and shoot it at something other than paper (after getting dialed in on paper first as you mention).
 

JustinHS

Robin
Orthodox
The old timers never used modern camo. Most of them wore plaid shirts and sat very still. That’s pretty much the key. Also, don’t wear blue or yellow as deer vision is very keen to those colors. I heard plaid is very good in neutral and darker combinations because it really breaks up your outline.

My wife and I go hiking at a local preserve and I’ve snuck up to deer on foot wearing regular neutral colored pants and a maroon henley. All I had on me was a balearic sling as you can’t actually hunt there. I closed the distance and got within 15-20 yards of it in semi-open field.

 
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Early Bird

Woodpecker
Catholic
I have the same issue, I'd like to hunt, I just never get around to it.

A friend of mine is a hunter and while he says it's one of the things he enjoys most, he struggles to make the time.
Try to get out at least once a year.

Some old friends and I do a hunting trip every year. It’s something we all look forward to and a great time to catch up. We’re all busy with work and families of our own but 3 nights away is doable.
 

Stadtaffe

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Gold Member
Thanks for starting the thread. I have to rush out the door but will write more when time. I have fished but never hunted but eat meat regularly, sometimes game that someone else has shot.

What was historically and prehistorically an everyday activity for men has been pushed to the margins of society especially in Europe. I read the opening post a few days ago, will reread but there is something in it, I look forward to trying and will make it happen one way or another despite living in Europe.
 

Early Bird

Woodpecker
Catholic
Thanks for starting the thread. I have to rush out the door but will write more when time. I have fished but never hunted but eat meat regularly, sometimes game that someone else has shot.

What was historically and prehistorically an everyday activity for men has been pushed to the margins of society especially in Europe. I read the opening post a few days ago, will reread but there is something in it, I look forward to trying and will make it happen one way or another despite living in Europe.
Thanks. That’s a good insight.

I think this parallels the rise of Athiesm / skepticism in some sense. Atheists / agnostics should at least recognize that the spine of the west is Christian. That universities began under the Catholic Church during the height of Christendom.
There’s a connection here between the woke vegan / vegetarian crowd, as well as those who eat factory farmed & chemically-laden meat but have a problem with hunting lol. They are all ingrates.

Life has gotten easier, men have become softer. But are we really better off as a culture now? Are we happier? The average person is so separated from the natural world it’s actually quite sad.
 

NickK

 
Banned
Orthodox
I'm interested in taking up hunting as a means to provide meat for my family, but I'm finding out that's it's a heavily regulated activity (permits, fines, even QR codes).
There is really no escape from the matrix is there? Unless you experienced hunters recommend going rogue?
 

Grow Bag

Pelican
Catholic
I'm interested in taking up hunting as a means to provide meat for my family, but I'm finding out that's it's a heavily regulated activity (permits, fines, even QR codes).
There is really no escape from the matrix is there? Unless you experienced hunters recommend going rogue?
You're in Greece right Nick? If so, get a ferry to Crete and ask around. I don't know if things have changed radically there, but Cretans used have a gun culture when I lived there.
 

NickK

 
Banned
Orthodox
You're in Greece right Nick? If so, get a ferry to Crete and ask around. I don't know if things have changed radically there, but Cretans used have a gun culture when I lived there.
Good advice! In the past I've thought of going there to procure a rifle (there are ship loads arriving illegally from China and the Middle East each day), but ruled it out due to having no contacts there.
What do you mean exactly by "asking around"? Where should I look? Maybe small villages are a better bet than the big towns?

Btw, Cretans still have a gun culture, but they are pressured from all the soy in the atmosphere.
 

Grow Bag

Pelican
Catholic
Good advice! In the past I've thought of going there to procure a rifle (there are ship loads arriving illegally from China and the Middle East each day), but ruled it out due to having no contacts there.
What do you mean exactly by "asking around"? Where should I look? Maybe small villages are a better bet than the big towns?

Btw, Cretans still have a gun culture, but they are pressured from all the soy in the atmosphere.
In the mountain villages between Georgioupoli and Chora Sfakion would be good places to ask around. But it's true that if you're not local they might not be so easy talk to about such things unless you have a contact.
 

chance vought

Woodpecker
Protestant
I'm interested in taking up hunting as a means to provide meat for my family, but I'm finding out that's it's a heavily regulated activity (permits, fines, even QR codes).
There is really no escape from the matrix is there? Unless you experienced hunters recommend going rogue?
Best way to start hunting is find a hunter that will take you under his wing... Here in the US, no hunter would ever say no if you asked.
 

Early Bird

Woodpecker
Catholic
I'm interested in taking up hunting as a means to provide meat for my family, but I'm finding out that's it's a heavily regulated activity (permits, fines, even QR codes).
There is really no escape from the matrix is there? Unless you experienced hunters recommend going rogue?
I can’t speak to the specific game regulations in your area unfortunately. By and large the fines exist to deter poaching and over harvesting, which is a big problem in some places. There can also be restrictions on the caliber of firearm used during certain seasons to make harvesting more challenging or for safety reasons.

If you are a farmer or live on a large piece of land in a more rural area, you might enjoy looser restrictions in these regards. There is also bow/crossbow which are completely silent and might not attract the same attention from the $7 soy latte crowd.
 
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