The Incoming Food Shortages

[almosttime]

I see a few of you are already taking measures and preparing for this to get a lot worse by purchasing homes and plots of land in rural communities in order to farm and/or raise farm animals, etc.

If one already does not have money/savings to last a few years, or a remote career, how are you guys planning to find stable work in these areas? Any ideas or tips if one wants to make the plunge to relocate and uproot their lives in order to prepare for what's coming, or does anyone think this scenario will not become that serious?

 

[president]

Good advice, my problem is that I don't live in a detached house. Wondering if I can run one of those generators on the balcony and avoid the carbon monoxide risk...probably not.

I’ve been shopping around for a generator and a fold out solar + battery pack.

A big boy 5000w+ inverter generator (Honda) is about $2-4K, plus cost of transfer box and fuel.

Decent solar array (~21w I think) is around $1,500 (Anker). The large batteries can power something like a c-pap throughout the night where a generator would not really be an appropriate way to power an item like that.

I have different objectives for each power source but I don’t want to spend so much that I end up with a lot of excess output. Also permanent solar could be added down the road so I’d like to keep some funds aside for that and not overdo it on the generator and portable solar.

I think at this stage, a combination of solar and a fossil fuel based generator is the way to go for many people. You give up a lot choosing only one.

Also important to think about portability. Yes that massive 6000W generator sure would be nice, but does it even fit in your car if you need to mobilize?

A lot to think about.

 

[Stoyan]

The United States has so much food, that it even provides food stamps and food banks to people who do not have any source of income. I would say that if anything, one can just go to the food bank for a meal. The American political strategy is focused on "bread and circuses", tailoring to the very poor classes, and the very rich classes.

The Democrats especially, just can't afford to lose their voters base of the very poor people. Of course there will always be food banks in the United States, as long as the current government holds. They will always have a lot of high calorie, low nutrition fodder for the very poor people. That is a given.

Finding an amount of healthy high-nutrition food is a different problem. In America you are more likely to die of cancer than of starvation.

 

[2Infinity]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10822095/Bank-Englands-Andrew-Bailey-issues-apocalyptic-food-price-warning-impact-Ukraine-war.html

 

[budoslavic]

There was another fire reported at a distribution plant in Phoenix, Arizona.




Edit.

Large pallet fire grows to fourth-alarm response in Phoenix​

More than 150 firefighters were called to fight a fourth-alarm pallet fire in Phoenix overnight.

Crews were called to the area of 35th Avenue and Buckeye Road around 10 p.m. Tuesday when the fire broke out.

Winds reportedly fueled the fire, forcing a larger fire response.

Fire officials said early Wednesday morning that the main body of the fire was under control but crews would stay at the scene to put out hot spots.

No injuries have been reported during the blaze.

The cause of the fire is not yet known.

Large pallet fire grows to fourth-alarm response in Phoenix

More than 150 firefighters were called to fight a large pallet fire near 35th Avenue and Buckeye Road.

www.abc15.com

Over 150 firefighters battle pallet yard fire in Phoenix, shuttering work for many​

Over 150 firefighters battle pallet yard fire in Phoenix, shuttering work for many. Some truckers are out of work for the time being because of the fire, like Miguel Sanchez. He's a trucker and when he arrived at the yard to start his shift, he saw his truck was in the middle of the mess.

Over 150 firefighters battle pallet yard fire in Phoenix, shuttering work for many

Some truckers are out of work for the time being because of the fire, like Miguel Sanchez. He's a trucker and when he arrived at the yard to start his shift, he saw his truck was in the middle of the mess.

www.fox10phoenix.com

 

[Thomas More]

Don't get me wrong, it's an honest question I yearn to know the answer to.

I'm pretty sure the WEF sees Putin as off-the-reservation. He is not following the path they intended for him.

Is he really a WEF guy in this case?

WEF in general could never hope to control everybody that went through their training. They seek young people that think "the right way", provide them with indoctrination and probably some useful knowledge and skills, and then provide them with a network of connections to help steer them into higher and higher levels of government office. It's inevitable that this approach will have some attrition, with some trainees failing to get ahead, and some trainees falling away from WEF goals and principles to become opposition. Putin is clearly one that got away.

 

[Easy_C]

The United States has so much food, that it even provides food stamps and food banks to people who do not have any source of income. I would say that if anything, one can just go to the food bank for a meal. The American political strategy is focused on "bread and circuses", tailoring to the very poor classes, and the very rich classes.

The Democrats especially, just can't afford to lose their voters base of the very poor people. Of course there will always be food banks in the United States, as long as the current government holds. They will always have a lot of high calorie, low nutrition fodder for the very poor people. That is a given.

Finding an amount of healthy high-nutrition food is a different problem. In America you are more likely to die of cancer than of starvation.

During 2020, a lot of food banks ran out and had to turn people away. And that was BEFORE the supply chain collapse we're seeing now.

 

[Easy_C]

There was another fire reported at a distribution plant in Phoenix, Arizona.




Edit.

Large pallet fire grows to fourth-alarm response in Phoenix​

Large pallet fire grows to fourth-alarm response in Phoenix

More than 150 firefighters were called to fight a large pallet fire near 35th Avenue and Buckeye Road.

www.abc15.com

Over 150 firefighters battle pallet yard fire in Phoenix, shuttering work for many​

Over 150 firefighters battle pallet yard fire in Phoenix, shuttering work for many

Some truckers are out of work for the time being because of the fire, like Miguel Sanchez. He's a trucker and when he arrived at the yard to start his shift, he saw his truck was in the middle of the mess.

www.fox10phoenix.com

That one is more than a little bit suspicious. I can not think of any reason why pallets would spontaneously go up in flames...but I know enough that a pile of combustable material like that is something you're supposed to go after if you're trying to start a fire.

 

[ed pluribus unum]

Food Insecurity & Climate Change Analyst, Sara Menker, Warns the UN Security Council That the World Has Just '10 Weeks' of Wheat Supplies Left

 

[911]

^10 weeks is incidentally is when the new wheat harvest will peak.

Also, there is no shortage of fertiliizer:

Fertilizer shortage? Nah

Farm Futures survey: Growers are more concerned with sourcing chemicals, parts, and revenue opportunities this spring.

www.farmprogress.com

 

[Ember]

The food shortage scare is being used to push 'gene-edited' crops. They are trying to spin it as not GM crops. They will use this as a stepping stone to introduce 'vaccines' through food.

Gene-edited crops in UK to be sped up to fight Ukraine food crisis

Russian blockades are preventing the export of key goods from the 'breadbasket of Europe', leading to rising food prices and shortages globally including a major threat of famine in Africa.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[2Infinity]

Another accident aka Engineered famine

 

[Tippy]

Are you guys stocking up and if so on what foods?

Is it really a good idea to stock up as if things get serious, it might all just get stolen by looters?

 

[Helmsman]

Are you guys stocking up and if so on what foods?

Is it really a good idea to stock up as if things get serious, it might all just get stolen by looters?

Everything. But especially grains, rice, and meat. Don't forget spices to break up the monotony.

Yes. In my neck of the woods, everyone is armed and we shoot looters.

 

[Easy_C]

Are you guys stocking up and if so on what foods?

Is it really a good idea to stock up as if things get serious, it might all just get stolen by looters?

In reality, you have to deal with both.
And yes. I'm buying non-perishables ahead of time. Look at it this way: Most of the doom and gloomers here could be completely wrong, and the people who buy ahead for the next year or so in bulk are going to be glad they did so. Inflation alone makes it worth stocking up on your shelf stable foods in advance. I am putting a bigger emphasis on things that have been having difficulty with keeping stock such as boxed pasta, dairy (instant milk powder), and eggs ( laid here, not stocked up).

 

[get2choppaaa]

The United States has so much food, that it even provides food stamps and food banks to people who do not have any source of income. I would say that if anything, one can just go to the food bank for a meal. The American political strategy is focused on "bread and circuses", tailoring to the very poor classes, and the very rich classes.

The Democrats especially, just can't afford to lose their voters base of the very poor people. Of course there will always be food banks in the United States, as long as the current government holds. They will always have a lot of high calorie, low nutrition fodder for the very poor people. That is a given.

Finding an amount of healthy high-nutrition food is a different problem. In America you are more likely to die of cancer than of starvation.

You are correct. There is no way American Democratic Regime will not provide a way to subsidize their voter class. The US is rich with Kcl (potash) and all the other resources for food. We (along with Brazil) are major world exporters of food stuffs. The US is uniquely positioned, like Russia, to be the driver of these things. AND the US has oil and gas.

The regime of Biden will indeed crumble over time.... and the Oil and Gas market in the US will be reenforced because it is the only stable thing there is.
Thus the Petrodollar still has life beyond the scope of the Euro or the proposed Mir or whatever else is out there.
For all our defiencies, on a global scale the North American Market (US CAN MEXICO) is much more independent and capable than any other market on the planet.

Fear mongerers on both sides are saying the sky is falling , when in fact it is not.

Will economic hardships happen. Yes
Will it be a global scarcity issue for food... possibly, but its been going on in africa since time existed.
Will the people on this forum ever starve? Hell No.

 

[Easy_C]

More thoughts since we're past edit timeline:
That's a longer topic that both myself and some other people have discussed in depth.
Location matters quite a bit as to what your concerns would be. Terrence Popp says you want to be at least 50 miles outside of any large city (based on his rather extensive military experience across multiple wars and other "classified operations".). My argument is that ideally you would be located in any one of the countless little "micro towns" (under 500 population) in the US where you can get to know your neighbors and people will be inclined to help each other out.

Here's my two points I'd highlight:
1 - In terms of prepping and buying food, my answer is going to be "Yes, and get to a 12 month supply if you can". The reason why is fairly simple: if you aren't already feeding yourself it will take that long to get there. If you already are capable of feeding yourself you still need an extra year's supply on hand in case a draught, freeze, or other weather event destroys your harvest for the year.

2 - To repeat my earlier recommendation: make sure you learn a good "apocalypse" skill. Taking an engine mechanic's course is one possible avenue. Otherwise look at good "prison skills". If you can woodwork, do electrical repair, or perform other maintenance services those are better than gold. Alternatively there's a number of "make stuff" skills which are highly valued. If you're the guy in the neighborhood who can moonshine the odds are you'll be very popular during an economic collapse.

 

[Easy_C]

You are correct. There is no way American Democratic Regime will not provide a way to subsidize their voter class. The US is rich with Kcl (potash) and all the other resources for food. We (along with Brazil) are major world exporters of food stuffs. The US is uniquely positioned, like Russia, to be the driver of these things. AND the US has oil and gas.

The regime of Biden will indeed crumble over time.... and the Oil and Gas market in the US will be reenforced because it is the only stable thing there is.
Thus the Petrodollar still has life beyond the scope of the Euro or the proposed Mir or whatever else is out there.
For all our defiencies, on a global scale the North American Market (US CAN MEXICO) is much more independent and capable than any other market on the planet.

Fear mongerers on both sides are saying the sky is falling , when in fact it is not.

Will economic hardships happen. Yes
Will it be a global scarcity issue for food... possibly, but its been going on in africa since time existed.
Will the people on this forum ever starve? Hell No.

I'm not quite so confident. There have been multiple times in history where governments that controlled rich food-producing areas sold that food on the export markets while allowing their own people to starve to death. The two best known examples are the Potato famine and Holodomer.

 

[Stoyan]

More thoughts since we're past edit timeline:
That's a longer topic that both myself and some other people have discussed in depth.
Location matters quite a bit as to what your concerns would be. Terrence Popp says you want to be at least 50 miles outside of any large city (based on his rather extensive military experience across multiple wars and other "classified operations".). My argument is that ideally you would be located in any one of the countless little "micro towns" (under 500 population) in the US where you can get to know your neighbors and people will be inclined to help each other out.

Here's my two points I'd highlight:
1 - In terms of prepping and buying food, my answer is going to be "Yes, and get to a 12 month supply if you can". The reason why is fairly simple: if you aren't already feeding yourself it will take that long to get there. If you already are capable of feeding yourself you still need an extra year's supply on hand in case a draught, freeze, or other weather event destroys your harvest for the year.

2 - To repeat my earlier recommendation: make sure you learn a good "apocalypse" skill. Taking an engine mechanic's course is one possible avenue. Otherwise look at good "prison skills". If you can woodwork, do electrical repair, or perform other maintenance services those are better than gold. Alternatively there's a number of "make stuff" skills which are highly valued. If you're the guy in the neighborhood who can moonshine the odds are you'll be very popular during an economic collapse.

So you are suggesting homesteading, growing your own food? I have long wanted to do that too, for avoiding toxic pesticides and other chemicals that they put in the food.

The question is, where to go for homesteading? There should be good arable land, plenty clean water, and a climate hospitable for growing multiple harvests per year. Obviously Montana or Wyoming would be bad for homesteading because of the intensely harsh winters. I actually think that any of the central plains states would be not so good for homesteading, because they are exposed to freezing winter winds coming from Canada, which go down all the way to Texas even. I'm afraid that frosts could very easily do a lot of damage to trees and plants. Also the plains states tend to have lots of tornadoes. Even if you have a basement bunker, the tornado can wipe out your garden/orchard, depriving you of harvest.

Some people have theorized that there exist climate modification devices which can amplify the destructive effects of such harsh weather. I don't know anything about how such devices could possibly work, do I don't believe in that theory, but I would want to stay on the safe side just in case.

The mountainous regions of California maybe make sense for homesteading, as they have a climate favorable for growing plants, and are sheltered from storms and extreme weather phenomena. Wells can solve the problem of drought.

 

[Mrredsquare]