Kensington is basically hell on earth. The worst parts of Philly make Skid Row look like a holiday resort.
The inexorable decline of American cities
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Kensington is basically hell on earth. The worst parts of Philly make Skid Row look like a holiday resort.
It must horrify Ben Franklin if he is able to see what has happened to the once great city that he helped make great.
I feel bad for these bums. The US government still thinks we don't have enough poor people and keeps importing more when there are many homeless people that need jobs and housing. How many more homeless people does the USA need to have before the govt. says 'enough' and stops importing poverty?
Imagine each and every one of these people in their formative years, as infants or just a few years old and all completely innocent. Imagine being a loving parent and knowing your child is living like this. Or more likely knowing many of these people were neglected or abused as children and turned to this lifestyle, eventually.
I know these people are out robbing people to get their drug money, or worse. But there is a point where anger and disgust yield to pity and utter heartbreak when witnessing this kind of thing. And then that turns into hatred for the people who knowingly facilitated this and/or the spiritual forces behind them.
I don’t know how to overcome that hatred. It is overwhelming. I keep thinking my ire needs to be focused on spiritual aspects of evil and not particularly people, “the principalities and rulers of the darkness of this world, etc,” but I’m not quite there yet.
What would you think the prognosis would be for American-style urban decline?
I'm of the opinion that the chance of recovery is zero, unfortunately. Once you cut out the noise of conservative promises to reverse it once by 'taking back America' or the even more foolish liberals touting 'revitalization efforts' its clear that its a permanent slippery slide that just can't be fixed no matter how much money you have.
If someone were to counter this, they might point out New York City in the 1990s to 2000s, but really its just the exception to prove the rule. Back then New York was technically still our Tier 1 world city, and people finally became embarrassed enough to clean it up a little for all the international tourism and business. It was sort of like spoofing Singapore.
But as we see in the 2010s-2020s, this period of time is always fleeting; mayoral elections cycle through, the underclass gets bolder again, and silly panics and fads devastate any new growth that started.
I'm of the opinion that the chance of recovery is zero, unfortunately. Once you cut out the noise of conservative promises to reverse it once by 'taking back America' or the even more foolish liberals touting 'revitalization efforts' its clear that its a permanent slippery slide that just can't be fixed no matter how much money you have.
If someone were to counter this, they might point out New York City in the 1990s to 2000s, but really its just the exception to prove the rule. Back then New York was technically still our Tier 1 world city, and people finally became embarrassed enough to clean it up a little for all the international tourism and business. It was sort of like spoofing Singapore.
But as we see in the 2010s-2020s, this period of time is always fleeting; mayoral elections cycle through, the underclass gets bolder again, and silly panics and fads devastate any new growth that started.
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I agree that there's no chance of recovery for our urban areas. There will be no return to American greatness, or even decency or normalcy in our cities. It is now a freakshow, a satanic perversion, too far gone.
I do still have a lot of faith in small town and rural America.
One of my coworkers recently took a weekend trip with his wife into Boston (a city I lived in for a few years) and came back horrified. He told tales of junkies tweeking out on the T, people fighting in public, people drinking and doing drugs in public, people passed out and hurting and needing help, women dressed like total sluts half naked in public. He was shocked at it all, shocked at the fact that everyone just puts their heads down and walk past these scenes, and thought "are we supposed to just walk by and do nothing? Why is no one doing anything?".
As someone who grew up in a small town and stayed and raised a family there, far from the city, in a place where communities stick together and people help one another, where good morals are still celebrated and common, where that sort of degeneracy is still not encouraged and is shamed, he just couldn't wrap his head around what he saw.
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Many cities have small, semi rural communities an hours drive away. Sometimes even less. One doesn't have to go off the grid to be off the radar. I currently live in a very decent farming community that's 30 minutes to 90 minutes from three major metropolitan areas. Yet no one from the cities ventures out here. They're all too busy traveling from one city to another. The road I live on is seven miles from the Interstate. Yet very few people in the surrounding area even knows this community exists.
There does not appear to be a route to turning it around. I believe America now has six (formerly four) of the fifty cities with the highest homicide rate in the world. This courtesy of George Soros bankrolled, BLM-affirming district attorneys. If I remember correct it's Cleveland, OH + Philadelphia that have joined the ranks.
The four mainstays of the top fifty are: Baltimore, Detroit, St. Louis and Memphis (I believe). With the exception of Memphis, those cities were word leaders in industry. I heard that Detroit was the wealthiest city in the world during the 1950s.
Those cities have all been under inter-generational, super-majority Democrat rule. No matter how bad it gets, the people who live there are absolutely immune to ever voting in a Rudy Giuliani to clean it up.
You can see the same has emerged in the cities of California, though with different demographics. And the same is emerging with majority white cities like Denver, Seattle and Portland.
I believe that once you have thoroughly mixed the population ethnically (as in CA), then there is practically zero chance of any push-back against this degenerative liberalism. Though the progressives like to say "diversity is a strength", their areas are still broadly racially segregated, with a cosmopolitan city centre. There is also the work of liberal sociologist Putnam, which shows that diversity is a weakness. A strong society is one where as much as possible can be done by trust and custom and not the massive, failing bureaucracy of these cities. The people of the cities are addicted to falling back to voting for more government to fix their increasing social issues.
The left's ploy:
1) "Look, social failure, only a left-wing government can fix it"
2) The left-wing government creates a bureaucracy that reduces or disables people operating on trust and custom (this is social failure)
3) More social issues emerge as a result; the left again says, "Look, social failure, only a left-wing government can fix it"
In the past you used to get big swings between the left and right parties. Now a new pattern has emerged that virtually everywhere votes for the right parties, other than cities, which are typically left-wing super-majorities.
This has been achieved in two ways:
1) mass immigration, which is typically into cities, that reduces trust and increases demand for free stuff
2) universityification, in which most people with a 100+ IQ have been told they should go to live in cities and go to university; strip mining small towns and rural areas of most of their intelligence; skewing the average age of the population younger; and subjecting the children to ever more extreme left-wing idea, which if they follow they will likely have worse life outcomes; and creating left-wing echo chambers in entire cities
There are a number of policies that could be pursued to turn this around, like reducing university attendance and ending immigration. Those are difficult enough in themselves, in the current climate. Then there is parring back the increasingly debased culture, which would lead to interminable screeching. The political route appears to be nonviable.
It may seem that an accelerationist route may provide an answer. Specifically, if that people became much pooer that much of this behaviour would have to stop. Though I think one of the things we will see in the future is all of the debt that is going to be mounted up will be used as a lever to get people to accept a Chinese-style social credit score society. That could either be achieved by hanging the debt around people's necks; or forgiving it in exchange for accepting such a society.
It seems the only way out is via extreme miscalculations in globalist plans.
Not sure university attendance matters much at this point. The people who needed to be brainwashed were the millennials and Gen Z, and as far as I can tell it has been accomplished. There won't be any more generations worth brainwashing after us due to massive population decline (current generation of Whites having something like 1 child per 3 women), so the universities have lived their usefulness. The oligarchy is setup and the future has been sealed.
Universities will be training centres for jabbed foreigners and vaxxies. A necessary hoop to jump through for those wishing to serve ZOG.
I’m in a similar situation, but unfortunately that may be coming to an end. Light rail will be arriving to my area in about 2-3 years. They want to connect everything and everyone, so there’s nowhere to run unless you go to an exurb or even farther out that’s out of reach for light rail.
Once they’ve connected the major metropolitan areas with their surrounding suburbs within a 25-30 mile radius, it’s lights out. Any riff-raff can hop on a train and pay a visit to your formerly peaceful town/neighborhood.
My plan is to leave the area before the light rail is operational. I can’t go anywhere just yet due to family and work obligations.
There won't be a white line dividing the road that I live on in 2 or 3 years.
I think that with the oncoming metaverse to perform most communications and white collar work in the near future, the idea of living rural and working remotely may be a current luxury. The Internet speed requirements to be part of the new tech society are going to require urban/suburban living I’m guessing to handle the high speeds (most likely this is in the fine print infrastructure of Sleepy Joes BBB bill). If you live rural, you’ll need to be retired or in a blue collar profession most likely.
Internet service is a regular complaint I hear from country-folks I know. I believe the internet companies have lobbied authorities to require less infrastructure investment in rural locations. It fits the end goal for globalists - we all become city dwelling Human Economic Units - and it minimizes the investment burden on internet suppliers.
Like water utility companies that would rather build an 8" service line that plumbs in 4 city blocks and the attendant dozens/hundreds of customers. They are not interested in running a 2" line half a mile for a few homes.
This should not be a deal-breaker, though. As bubs mentioned, a mom-and-pop contractor can live rural and operate their simple website from a rented office in town, if it becomes necessary. Plenty of small town contractors are doing this already. I know several guys that live rural, have good laptops, and do their paperwork from free Starbucks wifi as well. I don't know how viable/expensive satellite link internet service is nowadays.
The truly remote guys I do business with generally hate coming to town. There's a reason for that.
I used to live in Olympia Washington, which has a very large homeless population. The Progressives decided to create tent cities and the Liberal Churches helped to open a drop in center
right across from the Main bus terminal “Intercity Transit”.
The transients get coffee and pastry
free showers, and a place to “hang out.
There’s litter everywhere
clothes tossed in the trash.
dogs
people sleeping on the sidewalk
Lots of dugs and alcohol.
I returned to visit Olympia last fall.
Over half the small business along Capital Way are boarded up and closed.
Olympia is dying.
right across from the Main bus terminal “Intercity Transit”.
The transients get coffee and pastry
free showers, and a place to “hang out.
There’s litter everywhere
clothes tossed in the trash.
dogs
people sleeping on the sidewalk
Lots of dugs and alcohol.
I returned to visit Olympia last fall.
Over half the small business along Capital Way are boarded up and closed.
Olympia is dying.
I actually support some of the ideas like providing them showers (better to have clean homeless people which reduces nasty smells and diseases) and food and beverages are fine if donated by others. However, the police need to be strict about enforcing laws about drugs and littering and perhaps prisoners could be used for cleanup or homeless people could clean up the area in exchange for food (after all, many state they will 'work for food').
If housing is too expensive for people, where can they live? Imagine trying to live in San Francisco on a McDonald's salary.
I think military style barracks for the homeless need to be built in the area along with job placement services.
Judging by escalating housing prices, many liberal cities are still quite desirable which proves one man's trash is another treasure I guess. I wonder how bad things will have to get in Pacific coast cities before housing prices decline. I guess they are tougher than me. I would have likely fled within 2 weeks unless I had a very high-paying job there.
The poor and destitute should be helped, but able bodied people should be given work for their food and shelter, as a basic moral good.
The problem is that many homeless are mentally ill, or are alcoholics and drug addicts. These people are not willing to go into a shelter, because they are not allowed to drink or do drugs in the shelter, so they'd rather be on the street than go without. These people should be horsewhipped and taken to a camp in the desert, to live on bread and water, with a small amount of meat per week. If they won't work, and they insist on being drug addicts, then they should be exiled from the company of normal society.
There are programs to provide rooms or apartments for these people, but first of all, big cities manage to spend $800K per apartment (like in LA), and second of all, as soon as you put these people in one of these places, they will utterly ruin it with filth and vandalism. Again, this is immoral and unjustified behavior, and if they act this way, they no longer are deserving of charity. They should be horsewhipped and taken to a camp in the desert.
There is no reason for society to tolerate this behavior. If they fall on hard times, and are offered a hand up, and they squander the opportunity with drug use and worthless laziness, then send them away to live in the harshest conditions, with strict conditions of sobriety and hard work to get out. Otherwise, let them die in the camps. There is no moral obligation to save drug addicts and aggressively filthy and worthless people from themselves. Even if bending over backwards as much as possible to keep them alive in their depravity, then a tent, a cot, and bread and water are all they should be given.
I think with a policy like this, a lot of the current homeless population would find it better to control their substance abuse, and find a way to do enough work, and to be decent enough to friends and loved ones that they are given a place to stay.
Edit: In the case of the mentally ill, they are not capable of caring for themselves, and should receive somewhat more generous charity. They should be kept in a sanitarium like in the old days. Now I recognize this is a problem, because places like this tend to become abusive. Mentally ill people are disgusting, filthy, obnoxious, and screwed up in every other way, so the staff will inevitably start treating them roughly. I don't have an easy answer for this, but I think a large number of homeless people are not in this category, and would benefit from a session with the horsewhip.
The problem is that many homeless are mentally ill, or are alcoholics and drug addicts. These people are not willing to go into a shelter, because they are not allowed to drink or do drugs in the shelter, so they'd rather be on the street than go without. These people should be horsewhipped and taken to a camp in the desert, to live on bread and water, with a small amount of meat per week. If they won't work, and they insist on being drug addicts, then they should be exiled from the company of normal society.
There are programs to provide rooms or apartments for these people, but first of all, big cities manage to spend $800K per apartment (like in LA), and second of all, as soon as you put these people in one of these places, they will utterly ruin it with filth and vandalism. Again, this is immoral and unjustified behavior, and if they act this way, they no longer are deserving of charity. They should be horsewhipped and taken to a camp in the desert.
There is no reason for society to tolerate this behavior. If they fall on hard times, and are offered a hand up, and they squander the opportunity with drug use and worthless laziness, then send them away to live in the harshest conditions, with strict conditions of sobriety and hard work to get out. Otherwise, let them die in the camps. There is no moral obligation to save drug addicts and aggressively filthy and worthless people from themselves. Even if bending over backwards as much as possible to keep them alive in their depravity, then a tent, a cot, and bread and water are all they should be given.
I think with a policy like this, a lot of the current homeless population would find it better to control their substance abuse, and find a way to do enough work, and to be decent enough to friends and loved ones that they are given a place to stay.
Edit: In the case of the mentally ill, they are not capable of caring for themselves, and should receive somewhat more generous charity. They should be kept in a sanitarium like in the old days. Now I recognize this is a problem, because places like this tend to become abusive. Mentally ill people are disgusting, filthy, obnoxious, and screwed up in every other way, so the staff will inevitably start treating them roughly. I don't have an easy answer for this, but I think a large number of homeless people are not in this category, and would benefit from a session with the horsewhip.
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There is no need to talk like a tough guy about the bum issue.
Junkies, especially ones on opiates, are used to getting their ass kicked, for starters. Forced labor camps for addicts strikes me as a tiny step above having a drill sergeant PT nursing home residents. These drug users are often moral reprobates, but they're not lying about dopesickness when it comes on.
Its why demons encourage this type of thing to get started. Its because it fubars society so much that it can't ever be stopped once the ball gets rolling.
I expect the homeless problem in these liberal cities will end without intervention once broader society begins to collapse. These people's daily lives are like living The Road over and over anyway, so the already cutthroat streets would cannibalize each other even quicker and be the very first bloodbath before everyone else gets theirs.
Junkies, especially ones on opiates, are used to getting their ass kicked, for starters. Forced labor camps for addicts strikes me as a tiny step above having a drill sergeant PT nursing home residents. These drug users are often moral reprobates, but they're not lying about dopesickness when it comes on.
Its why demons encourage this type of thing to get started. Its because it fubars society so much that it can't ever be stopped once the ball gets rolling.
I expect the homeless problem in these liberal cities will end without intervention once broader society begins to collapse. These people's daily lives are like living The Road over and over anyway, so the already cutthroat streets would cannibalize each other even quicker and be the very first bloodbath before everyone else gets theirs.