The Jair Bolsonaro Thread

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant

The good news is that the tough talk and empty actions is no longer working. People are hurting badly and when a carnival barker wins and election and does nothing, they don't get the support the second time around. The bad news is that things will have to get a lot worse before the average blue pilled normie gets more serious about things.

I don't want escalation, but escalation is going to happen regardless and, in the end, the good guys, Christians backed by Our Savior, will win.
 

Good_Shepherd

Kingfisher
Orthodox Catechumen
What I found fascinating about Brazil while I was there was how the Brazilian right near exactly mirrors the current American right. Very much civil nationalist, pro capitalism, pro Israel, against fake news, online political community etc. However I would say the Brazilian right is stronger and more promising than the American right.

-The American right is in a race against the clock with demographics. Unless immigration is stopped soon, the American right will cease to exist. Brazilian politics are divided more by geography than race (Yes I am aware that the North is more African whereas the south is more European, but in general race isnt an indicator to political position in Brazil) No demographic time bomb that will lead to their political movements demise
-Harder stance against degeneracy. You certainly wont be getting any pro-Bolsonaro drag queens. The current American right is being coopted by homosexuals, degenerates, and potheads. Many people here see libertarian values as conservative.
-Although they are pro-israel, they are not throwing billions of dollars to them nor fighting wars on their behalf. They are not as cucked on this issue as USA
-The Brazilian right has all the political energy at the moment. Mobilizing in the streets decked out in Brazilian colors shouting "Mito!", they are not complacent. Brazil's left is unorganized and has no future nor momentum. This is pretty much the reverse of the political scene in the USA at the moment.
-Brazilian Churches are filled with young people. Compared to the US (at least the churches in my state) the overwhelming majority of churchgoers are old

I was pleasantly surprised how familiar some of my Brazilian friends were with "conspiracy theories" that have been thrown around in circles Ive seen online. Talking politics with my one of my friends was the first in person conversation I had where I was asked if I was familiar with the Frankfurt school.

The one real negative is their embrace of evangelism over their catholic heritage. This brings Israel worship and capitalist corporation bootlicking like you can see in the states. On every street corner there is an evangelical church, out of a garage or store space. I was curious and went to a few of them, and I found it to be very corny. It felt very fake and for profit, with a heavy emphasis on "worshipper retention". They would give you a fake smile and tell you when the next mass is. Those churches feel like a business venture, some having multiple locations like a chain restaurant.

I realize this is kind of all over the place, but I just wanted to share my observations of Brazil's politics and future from my time there spent with Bolsonaro supporters
I lived in Brazil once for a few months and I agree with what you saying, yes the churches are very evangelical over there I didnt enjoy them I went to some because I was staying at a missionarys house, the Christianity was weak, lots of churches on street corners shouting and playing music loud and making a noise and just weird, I hear there are some Orthodox churches there hopefully they take off.Lots of prostitution there too I noticed but overall country not too bad the nature is beautiful and I felt safer than in my country and also seemed to blend in more with the crowd.
 

Good_Shepherd

Kingfisher
Orthodox Catechumen
Jair Bolsonaro is a far right politician who lives in Rio de Janeiro and is running to be next the President in the October 2018 elections.

He is considered Brazil's Donald Trump and has made many controversial statements.

Such as:

In a public speech in April 2017, Bolsonaro said that he had five children, that the first four were male, and that for the fifth he produced a daughter out of "a moment of weakness"

He strongly advocates against the legalization of same-sex unions and same-sex marriage,

In a June 2011 interview with Playboy, Bolsonaro said that "I would be incapable of loving a gay son," and added that he would prefer any son of his "to die in an accident..

No father is ever proud of having a gay son," and that "we Brazilians do not like homosexuals.

Bolsonaro argued that men and women should not receive the same salaries, because women get pregnant; adding that he believes federal law mandating paid maternity leave harms work productivity.

It will be interesting to keep a watch on him. I am concerned if he gets elected he may well get assassinated.

Though he has been mentioned in other threads, I think he deserves his own so he can be more closely monitored and followed.
He was already stabbed once in an assasination attempt remember? The military loves him though I think he is ex military anyway so at least they on his side
 

infowarrior1

Crow
Protestant
The good news is that the tough talk and empty actions is no longer working. People are hurting badly and when a carnival barker wins and election and does nothing, they don't get the support the second time around. The bad news is that things will have to get a lot worse before the average blue pilled normie gets more serious about things.

I don't want escalation, but escalation is going to happen regardless and, in the end, the good guys, Christians backed by Our Savior, will win.

No matter what happens keeping our eyes on the victory of Jesus helps us.
 

Enhanced Eddie

Pelican
Other Christian
Gold Member
First and second round of the elections, the same algorithm was used for the fraud, Lula's vote count started below Bolsonaro's and then went up slightly every few minutes until it finally surpassed it. The passing even happened at the same percentage.

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Left column is percentages of votes counted, middle is Bolsonaro, right is Lula:

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Further, the majority voted down Ballot for Bolsonaro's party, but somehow voted for Lula as president.

Further, most Brazilian states voted Bolsonaro, but the North East allegedly tipped it in Lula's favor... but somehow on the live stream from Salvador during the first round, there was no celebration. It was complete silence. In Salvador any excuse is good enough for a celebration.

The people know that Lula is a criminal. He was already in prison and got busted loose by a corrupt judge. They know he's a communist and aligned with the leadership of Venezuela. Everyone here knows how communism turned out in Venezuela and they don't want that here.

Anyone saying this wasn't fraud is either not in Brazil, or not following events closely, or following mainstream media, or dishonest. Those are the only 4 options.

It was fraud, it was as obvious as the Biden election, and everyone here on the ground says it. All I see is Bolsonaro flags everywhere and a furious populace. Many of my friends here are talking about selling their houses and moving abroad. The question is, where?
 

Thomas More

Crow
Protestant
First and second round of the elections, the same algorithm was used for the fraud, Lula's vote count started below Bolsonaro's and then went up slightly every few minutes until it finally surpassed it. The passing even happened at the same percentage.

kmwcMWe.png

Left column is percentages of votes counted, middle is Bolsonaro, right is Lula:

WOfzrGr.png


Further, the majority voted down Ballot for Bolsonaro's party, but somehow voted for Lula as president.

Further, most Brazilian states voted Bolsonaro, but the North East allegedly tipped it in Lula's favor... but somehow on the live stream from Salvador during the first round, there was no celebration. It was complete silence. In Salvador any excuse is good enough for a celebration.

The people know that Lula is a criminal. He was already in prison and got busted loose by a corrupt judge. They know he's a communist and aligned with the leadership of Venezuela. Everyone here knows how communism turned out in Venezuela and they don't want that here.

Anyone saying this wasn't fraud is either not in Brazil, or not following events closely, or following mainstream media, or dishonest. Those are the only 4 options.

It was fraud, it was as obvious as the Biden election, and everyone here on the ground says it. All I see is Bolsonaro flags everywhere and a furious populace. Many of my friends here are talking about selling their houses and moving abroad. The question is, where?
Bolsonaro needs to cross the Rubicon as Trump should have. He knows the election is fraudulent, so he is the legitimate winner. If the corrupt system is trying to say otherwise, he should arrest the corrupt officials, and declare the legitimate result from the election.

Ideally, he should execute the corrupt officials, but he should at least imprison them and seize all their assets. When a major leftist faction of society has seized the election process and judiciary in a way that makes them able to rig elections, then the legitimate government needs to declare a state of emergency and use extra-judicial means to root out the corruption. It's either that, or let them do like they are doing to America after stealing the election for Biden. There is no third alternative.

One important concern is that standing up to the fraudulent left and overturning the election results would make a large number of countries (like the US) issue sanctions against Brazil. However, Brazil is part of BRICS, so they can just turn their back on the sanctioning countries, and focus on dealing with the domestic corruption.
 

TheosisSeeker

 
Banned
Orthodox Catechumen
First and second round of the elections, the same algorithm was used for the fraud, Lula's vote count started below Bolsonaro's and then went up slightly every few minutes until it finally surpassed it. The passing even happened at the same percentage.

kmwcMWe.png

Left column is percentages of votes counted, middle is Bolsonaro, right is Lula:

WOfzrGr.png


Further, the majority voted down Ballot for Bolsonaro's party, but somehow voted for Lula as president.

Further, most Brazilian states voted Bolsonaro, but the North East allegedly tipped it in Lula's favor... but somehow on the live stream from Salvador during the first round, there was no celebration. It was complete silence. In Salvador any excuse is good enough for a celebration.

The people know that Lula is a criminal. He was already in prison and got busted loose by a corrupt judge. They know he's a communist and aligned with the leadership of Venezuela. Everyone here knows how communism turned out in Venezuela and they don't want that here.

Anyone saying this wasn't fraud is either not in Brazil, or not following events closely, or following mainstream media, or dishonest. Those are the only 4 options.

It was fraud, it was as obvious as the Biden election, and everyone here on the ground says it. All I see is Bolsonaro flags everywhere and a furious populace. Many of my friends here are talking about selling their houses and moving abroad. The question is, where?

Yeah,

I'm always amazed how the percentages are so close in these high stake elections. The conservative candidate is always up, then it slips away like the computer algos know what rate of change is needed for the leftist candidate to surpass the vote tally.

Then the MSM always preloads the public with psyop info like 'Expect the conservative candidate to take an early lead because poorer leftist voting districts don't have internet.'

What?
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
Bolsonaro needs to cross the Rubicon as Trump should have. He knows the election is fraudulent, so he is the legitimate winner. If the corrupt system is trying to say otherwise, he should arrest the corrupt officials, and declare the legitimate result from the election.

Ideally, he should execute the corrupt officials, but he should at least imprison them and seize all their assets. When a major leftist faction of society has seized the election process and judiciary in a way that makes them able to rig elections, then the legitimate government needs to declare a state of emergency and use extra-judicial means to root out the corruption. It's either that, or let them do like they are doing to America after stealing the election for Biden. There is no third alternative.

One important concern is that standing up to the fraudulent left and overturning the election results would make a large number of countries (like the US) issue sanctions against Brazil. However, Brazil is part of BRICS, so they can just turn their back on the sanctioning countries, and focus on dealing with the domestic corruption.
I didn't follow his time in office, he talked a big game and then it appears he did little to nothing to help his base. Sounds very familiar and an easier explanation is that maybe they are put in place to make sure the Rubicon never is crossed and instead that path is sent down an off ramp.
 

Gusamaso

Robin
Other Christian
He lost this election to himself. Sadly, our Right lost the chance to get a foothold here in Brazil due to Bolsonaro's own stupidity.
 

grenade001

Woodpecker
Catholic
Yeah,

I'm always amazed how the percentages are so close in these high stake elections. The conservative candidate is always up, then it slips away like the computer algos know what rate of change is needed for the leftist candidate to surpass the vote tally.

Then the MSM always preloads the public with psyop info like 'Expect the conservative candidate to take an early lead because poorer leftist voting districts don't have internet.'

What?

Ironically, in Australia, where internet voting isn't used, the results from mail-in ballots are known after the polling booth ones have been counted. Usually it is the elderly, and people in remote areas that use mail-in ballots, which are a 70:30 split favouring the right wing candidate.

Considering that most election official staff are teachers enjoying a full day of Overtime pay, I can guarantee that there would have been some electoral fraud going on over the years.
 

budoslavic

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
Rough Portuguese-to-English translation: Bolsonaro's supporters celebrate a possible fraud in the polls and that Jair Bolsonaro is the president elected in the polls.

 

Острог

Kingfisher
Orthodox
I followed it all live, the fraud was as obvious as the Biden election late 2020. Statistically impossible moves in the vote counts etc...

I'm in Southern Brazil so there is a right wing bias here inherently, but here 1 in every 5 to 10 cars has a huge Brazilian flag (= Bolsonaro supporters) on the engine hood, in the windows or on the mirrors. Never see cars with Lula flags. Over the past 2 months I have seen literally thousands of Bolsonaro flags and 2 Lula flags.

Brazillians are furious, in the streets, truckers blocking all the highways and capitals, like the trucker protests in Canada. They know Lula is a communist and a criminal and they know he cheated. Hopefully they will be more successful with their "stop the steal" than Trump was.
Thanks for reporting this.
Another planted stooge and elections. It's time to end democracy. I mean really end it. It's just a tool of the oligarchs.

If Bolsonaro doesn't seize control with the help of military NOW not only he will be done for but whole country. It's do or die for Brazil. Hopefully it's violent nature will for once be an advantage.
 

DanielH

Hummingbird
Moderator
Orthodox
Is Bolsonaro planning a military coup?

I'm not condoning it necessarily, but if he is trying that, then he has more balls than Trump.
I am necessarily condoning it.

Democracy is a form of government where you and 48 of your well armed and intelligent friends show up to a battlefield, realize there are 51 low IQ, poorly armed, Godless, violent, antisocial, drug addicted, STD riddled people, majority women, standing across from you on the battlefield, and you turn to face your men and say “Sorry guys, they've got us outnumbered, I guess we'll just have to allow a few of us to be imprisoned and let them raise our children according to their values. Maybe next time more of us will show up to the battlefield, we just need to campaign harder!”
 
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Enhanced Eddie

Pelican
Other Christian
Gold Member
he talked a big game and then it appears he did little to nothing to help his base.
Not the perceptions of Brazilians on the ground, everyone loves this guy here. And one thing that's somewhat surprising: Bolsonaro is loved by the poor of Brazil as well, because he did support them during covid and actually gave them more financial support than the left had done.

There's a perception that he's a white middle class candidate, but he captured both constituencies - similar to how Trump was very popular in the Rust Belt. Hence the thousands of Bolsonaro flags everywhere that I mentioned... and I've seen 2 Lula flags in the past 2 months.

The media always wants to tell us that these right-wing populist nationalist leaders aren't actually popular. Maybe they should study the etymology of the word "populist". Even in total shit hole countries like Lybia, Gaddafi drew huge crowds cheering love to him.

Bolsonaro has the same kind of support here. Brazilians love him like America loved Trump.
 
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