The Jair Bolsonaro Thread

Caramasão

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
I don't know how to feel about these elections, I'm obviously right-wing and voted for Bolsonaro, but it was never that simple. I still remember that the first thing Bolsonaro tried to do when elected in 2018 was to move the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. He also promised to Sheldon Adelson that he would legalize casinos in Brazil, one of the bills were known as the “Sheldon Adelson Act”.


So ok, Bolsonaro is redpilled in many ways, and a sincere Christian, but his faith is a tropical version of the “American Churchianity” with all the zionist neocon baggage.

Lula, on the other hand, helped create the BRICS and always wanted to be independent from the West. Maybe he is more fitting to a new multipolar world.

A real concern is leftist moral progressivism, but we still have a right wing majority in Congress.

So again, I dont know how to feel about any of this, but maybe it's not all that bad.
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
Not the perceptions of Brazilians on the ground, everyone loves this guy here. And one thing that's somewhat surprising: Bolsonaro is loved by the poor of Brazil as well, because he did support them during covid and actually gave them more financial support than the left had done.

There's a perception that he's a white middle class candidate, but he captured both constituencies - similar to how Trump was very popular in the Rust Belt. Hence the thousands of Bolsonaro flags everywhere that I mentioned... and I've seen 2 Lula flags in the past 2 months.

The media always wants to tell us that these right-wing populist nationalist leaders aren't actually popular. Maybe they should study the etymology of the word "populist". Even in total shit hole countries like Lybia, Gaddafi drew huge crowds cheering love to him.

Bolsonaro has the same kind of support here. Brazilians love him like America loved Trump.
That was why I said "sounds familiar". If he had done more, he might have won. Such as take out the cartels and really crack down on crime, like Mussolini did in Italy with the mafia. It seems like, the same as with Trump, where you combine not getting enough done with voter fraud, and he lost.

So, the next guy will have to be a lot tougher, a lot stronger, and willing to cross the Rubicon. And until that guy comes along, life will just get worse for the average American/Brazilian. Sadly, in the USA, I think we will get another Trump (either himself or DeSantis), so it will be another round of fake tough guy bravado while crime remains way too high and the middle class gets destroyed with immigration. I hope Brazil can pull out of this downward spiral soon, I don't have hope the USA will for a while, there is no one on the right I can see stopping it right now.
 

Enhanced Eddie

Pelican
Other Christian
Gold Member
I still remember that the first thing Bolsonaro tried to do when elected in 2018 was to move the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
Bolsonaro’s son and Federal Deputy, Eduardo Bolsonaro, wrote a tweet in defense of Kayne West this week, after Kanye got his Twitter account reinstated. Translation: "There is no evil that lasts forever. Let's have faith in God."

He also promised to Sheldon Adelson that he would legalize casinos in Brazil, one of the bills were known as the “Sheldon Adelson Act”.
Promised to legalize or did legalize? Even if that was the case, we're talking legalizing gambling vs. literal communism.
Lula, on the other hand, helped create the BRICS and always wanted to be independent from the West. Maybe he is more fitting to a new multipolar world.
I'm starting to suspect you are a shill account. Lula is further left than Biden, a literal and open communist, supported by satanists and the criminal gangs of Brazil. No sincere RVF member would talk in defense of Biden, much less of Lula.
maybe it's not all that bad.
Why is your username "Mason Dude" in Portuguese?
 
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Caramasão

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
Bolsonaro’s son and Federal Deputy, Eduardo Bolsonaro, wrote a tweet in defense of Kayne West this week, after Kanye got his Twitter account reinstated. Translation: "There is no evil that lasts forever. Let's have faith in God."


Good for him, but he is still a zionist.

Promised to legalize or did legalize? Even if that was the case, we're talking legalizing gambling vs. literal communism.

Not only did he promise, he and his party actually tried to legalize the casino in Brazil. After Sheldon Adelson died the whole thing was forgotten.

I never claimed to be in favor of communism.

I'm starting to suspect you are a shill account. Lula is further left than Biden, a literal and open communist, supported by satanists and the criminal gangs of Brazil. No sincere RVF member would talk in defense of Biden, much less of Lula.

Why is your username "Mason Dude" in Portuguese?
Now you are just being silly, my username is a Portuguese corruption of Karamazov that I made up.

Mason dude would be something like "cara maçom".
 

Cortés

Woodpecker
Catholic
Gold Member
I don't know how to feel about these elections, I'm obviously right-wing and voted for Bolsonaro, but it was never that simple. I still remember that the first thing Bolsonaro tried to do when elected in 2018 was to move the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. He also promised to Sheldon Adelson that he would legalize casinos in Brazil, one of the bills were known as the “Sheldon Adelson Act”.


So ok, Bolsonaro is redpilled in many ways, and a sincere Christian, but his faith is a tropical version of the “American Churchianity” with all the zionist neocon baggage.

Lula, on the other hand, helped create the BRICS and always wanted to be independent from the West. Maybe he is more fitting to a new multipolar world.

A real concern is leftist moral progressivism, but we still have a right wing majority in Congress.

So again, I dont know how to feel about any of this, but maybe it's not all that bad.
Lula aligning with BRICS isnt based at all. Its not like he is doing this to separate Brasil from Neoliberalism or American cultural rot. China in particular along with multinational corporations are thrilled at Lula's "victory" because they know he will wh*re out Brasil's resources for low prices and some kickbacks. Dont get me wrong, I think in general its good for Brasil to be more on the side of BRICS but lets not pretend Lula is doing this for autonomy or anything other than enriching his cronies. As a matter of fact, you will get the worst of both American LGBT corporate cultural influence and Chinese economic imperialism

Yeah we get it, Bolsonaro Trump etc are philosemites. Its trite at this point. Are we supposed to discard politicians who are a net positive on 80% of the important issues because they did some favors for jews in exchange for campaign money? You voted for him, but I dont get the point of moaning and complaining about these things still.
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
Lula aligning with BRICS isnt based at all. Its not like he is doing this to separate Brasil from Neoliberalism or American cultural rot. China in particular along with multinational corporations are thrilled at Lula's "victory" because they know he will wh*re out Brasil's resources for low prices and some kickbacks. Dont get me wrong, I think in general its good for Brasil to be more on the side of BRICS but lets not pretend Lula is doing this for autonomy or anything other than enriching his cronies. As a matter of fact, you will get the worst of both American LGBT corporate cultural influence and Chinese economic imperialism

Yeah we get it, Bolsonaro Trump etc are philosemites. Its trite at this point. Are we supposed to discard politicians who are a net positive on 80% of the important issues because they did some favors for jews in exchange for campaign money? You voted for him, but I dont get the point of moaning and complaining about these things still.

I can't speak for Bolsonaro, but saying Trump got 80%, or even 25%, is no where close to accurate. Especially after the hell of 2020 and watching things collapse and he did nothing but support the vax and tweet "law and order" while promising half a trillion to Black Americans and half a trillion to Hispanic Americans for simply existing while White and Asian Americans were already discriminated against.

If Bolsonaro was anything like Trump, he is extremely lucky it was that close. Being there is already a huge criminal element in Brazil that will pay people to vote against him. My guess is he was a little better, but still not nearly good enough to keep his job.
 

paternos

Kingfisher
Catholic
Not the perceptions of Brazilians on the ground, everyone loves this guy here. And one thing that's somewhat surprising: Bolsonaro is loved by the poor of Brazil as well, because he did support them during covid and actually gave them more financial support than the left had done.

There's a perception that he's a white middle class candidate, but he captured both constituencies - similar to how Trump was very popular in the Rust Belt. Hence the thousands of Bolsonaro flags everywhere that I mentioned... and I've seen 2 Lula flags in the past 2 months.

The media always wants to tell us that these right-wing populist nationalist leaders aren't actually popular. Maybe they should study the etymology of the word "populist". Even in total shit hole countries like Lybia, Gaddafi drew huge crowds cheering love to him.

Bolsonaro has the same kind of support here. Brazilians love him like America loved Trump.
Curious, what is this Israel support then of his wife?

Seems very similar to the US, both sides supporting Jews, classical neo-con?
I also heard he moved from Catholic to evangelical Christian?

What's your take on that?
 

Caramasão

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
Lula aligning with BRICS isnt based at all. Its not like he is doing this to separate Brasil from Neoliberalism or American cultural rot. China in particular along with multinational corporations are thrilled at Lula's "victory" because they know he will wh*re out Brasil's resources for low prices and some kickbacks. Dont get me wrong, I think in general its good for Brasil to be more on the side of BRICS but lets not pretend Lula is doing this for autonomy or anything other than enriching his cronies. As a matter of fact, you will get the worst of both American LGBT corporate cultural influence and Chinese economic imperialism

Ok you just agreed that in general its good for Brazil to be more on the side of BRICS, thanks that was my point. I never said anything about Lula being based.
 

budoslavic

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member


In First Appearance Since Election, Bolsonaro Refuses To Concede, Vows To Follow Constitution​

Update(1600ET): Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro finally spoke publicly for the first time since losing Sunday's election by a narrow margin. Many expected, or were hoping, for a concession speech - but that didn't happen. But it appears the short press event itself was all about the optics of accepting the loss.

He vowed to "follow the Constitution" and called for "order" in the country- and yet didn't explicitly concede nor did he congratulate declared winner Lula da Silva on victory for the Brazilian presidency, which he's expected to take over on January 1st. At the same time Bolsonaro didn't contest the result either.

As one Brazilian national outlet said of the very short speech, "Jair Bolsonaro has not said whether he will accept the election result. He didn't mention Lula and he didn't even congratulate the new elected president. It was a subtle pronouncement."



However, according to breaking news wires...

Brazil’s Chief Of Staff: To Begin Process Of Transition With President Lula

Meanwhile raging protests in some parts of the country continue, though they've reportedly waned in intensity and reach since the night prior...



Incumbent Jair Bolsonaro has still not acknowledged his loss with any public statements over a day after Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva was declared winner of Brazil's 2022 presidential election held Sunday.

Local media says President Bolsonaro, who is now expected to leave office by January 1st, has not so much as issued any official comments to government ministers. Lula da Silva said in front of a crowd of supporters while celebrating the historic win Sunday night, "Anywhere else in the world, the president who lost would have called me by now and conceded."

Lula said he remains "part happy, part worried" about the transfer of power, given that "He still hasn’t called, I don’t know if he will and I don’t know if he will concede."

As we detailed earlier, already many world leaders including those previously considered key global allies of Bolsonaro have called to offer their congratulations to Lula, including Russia's Vladimir Putin and China's Xi Jinping, among many others, as well as US President Joe Biden.

CNN notes that the formal process of certifying the vote is underway: "It is Brazil’s Supreme Electoral Court that officially validates election results and communicates them to the Senate, Chamber of Deputies and State Assemblies."



However that validation process is not completed yet: "A press officer for the Electoral Court told CNN that the vote’s results are already considered validated, since the court’s declaration of the outcome on Sunday. A court session at a later point will formally confirm the win, but no date has been set for it yet, he said," according to the CNN report.

Protests by Bolsonaro supporters against the election results - which saw Lula receive 50.9% to Bolsonaro’s 49.10% of the vote - have popped up reportedly in more than 100 locations.

Bolsonaro supporters are claiming the election was "stolen"...



BBC reports Tuesday morning, "Lorry drivers in Brazil loyal to President Jair Bolsonaro have blocked roads across the country, after his poll defeat to leftist rival Lula." The report describes, "Blockages were reported in all but two states, causing considerable disruption and affecting food supply chains." And more:

By Monday night, the federal highway police reported 342 such incidents, with the biggest protests going on in the country's south. Some of the blockages were later cleared by police.

...Supreme Court judge Alexandre de Moraes on Monday ordered the police to disperse the roadblocks immediately. He warned that all those still blocking the roads on Tuesday would be each fined 100,000 Brazilian reals (£16,700: $19,300) per hour.

Bolsonaro has recently expressed concern over the potential for the country's voting machines to be manipulated or tampered with, something that his political opponents have dismissed as "Trump-style" election denial rhetoric.



Into Tuesday morning, nothing has been posted to Bolsonaro's official social media accounts since the night before Sunday's vote.

His last last tweet came shortly before midnight on the eve of the election. He quoted from the Bible, the book of Ephesians, which says "Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil...". Some are taking this as a sign he could be readying to not go down without a political fight contesting the election results.

The New York Times is meanwhile reporting that Presient Bolsonaro is expected to give a speech on Tuesday, but it's unclear when or precisely what he will say.

 

Острог

Kingfisher
Orthodox


In First Appearance Since Election, Bolsonaro Refuses To Concede, Vows To Follow Constitution​



What is he saying here really?

Bolsonaro may behave like a nice boy and concede but I don't think Lula will do the same once his term ends. You let the communist have a foot in the door and soon you'll find yourself outside of your own apartment.
 
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TheosisSeeker

 
Banned
Orthodox Catechumen
What is he saying here really?

Bolsonaro may behave like a nice boy and concede but I don't think Lula will do the same once his term ends. You let the communist have a foot in the door and soon you'll find yourself outside of your own apartment.

Nothing. We're not at the point yet of people not conceding against potential fraud. Bolsonaro will be like Trump and be a good little boy, just watch. Granted it's a massively tough decision.

What it will take is continuous destruction by the left until a real, non controlled opposition leader does it. This is concerning because both sides will keep electing more extreme leaders, since nothing seems to get done.

Until then, let the fraud continue.
 

ginsu

Kingfisher
Other Christian
You're probably right because to do this he would have to be willing to put his life on the line for the cause.

Brazil clearly needs it's own Pinochet before the country turns into total hell on earth.
its strange though because both trump and bolsonaro already put their lives on the line running and being president for several years. Bolsonaro even got stabbed, they are used to half the country wishing them harm.
 

Wutang

Ostrich
Gold Member
Curious, what is this Israel support then of his wife?

Seems very similar to the US, both sides supporting Jews, classical neo-con?
I also heard he moved from Catholic to evangelical Christian?

What's your take on that?

Jair still considers himself to be a Catholic last I heard but he's heavily courted the evangelicals in Brazil. A few years ago he had a evangelical pastor perform a full immersion baptaism on him even though he must have already had an infant baptism as a Catholic.


A common mistake is to think Bolsonaro himself is an evangelical, which is not true. His wife, Michelle, is Baptist, so is his son Flávio and he has a great rapport with evangelical pastors.

But Bolsonaro has always declared to be Catholic, and so far, that has not changed.

From what I heard, Protestantism in Brazil pretty much is similar to American evangelicalism theologically which means Israel support is heavy along with a lot of the eschatology that comes with it.
 

infowarrior1

Crow
Protestant



Leninism is a fantastically successful political doctrine. It works, quite simply, by building a "coalition of the fringes". Promise low-status people higher status, and give them a chance for revenge over hated "oppressor" demographics (e.g. the bourgeoisie, kulaks etc.).

Within the rules of such a game, the lowest status groups, i.e. the scum of the earth, actually prove to be more useful (because more marginal and more resentful) than dignified hard-working ordinary people. Here's Spengler in The Hour of Decision...

"...Bolshevism has...made far less effort to influence the skilled, industrious and sober worker than the work-shy rabble of the cities which is ready at any time to plunder and murder... Unemployment in its early stages was positively fostered by Marxism”

In Always with Honor, the memoir of White Russian gen. Pyotr Wrangel, he describes with horror how the Bolsheviks emptied the prisons and asylums to provide themselves with fanatical, blood-thirsty troops. “Workers of the world” indeed!

These are the rules of the Leninist game, so we shouldn’t be surprised to see such scenes in Brazil. These people know that their time has come. BAP talked about an effective lockdown due to crime before Bolsonaro, and this will happen again.

It's happening in the US too. The American variant has been described as bioleninism by NRx guru Spandrell. I’ve got an essay on this subject in the next Man’s World, out Jan. All I can say is, be prepared for more of this, around the world, as the left tries to tighten its grip.
 

Enhanced Eddie

Pelican
Other Christian
Gold Member
my username is a Portuguese corruption of Karamazov that I made up.
Okay... no way to verify that. The corrruption you came up with does literally translate to "MasonDude".

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Masons are satanists (source) and you're criticizing Bolsonaro and defending Lula, in this video praising Chavez, Maduro, other communists. This whole "Hello my fellow right-wing Christians, consider this... here's some bad stuff about Bolsonaro and here are some good things about Lula" is odd. Is all I'm saying.

I'm in Brazil right now and while some are still hypnotized by the mainstream media supporting Lula, most are awake to what's going on and terrified that a communist might actually take office in January.
 
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Enhanced Eddie

Pelican
Other Christian
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Update: I was at the protests for 8 hours yesterday observing. Brazilians set up over 300 roadblocks across the country. Our gas station is completely out. At some point police negotiated opening one lane of traffic. Only small cars were allowed through, as well as tourist buses and medical supplies.

Almost every car was honking in support of the protesters, waving Bolsonaro flags, making the Bolsonaro hand-sign (index and middle finger of both hands for the number 2, as in "22", Bolsonaro's number on the ballot).

The whole thing turned into a giant party (gotta love Brazil). Many bonfires around, lots of barbecues set up, Music blasting from boom boxes with the national anthem being played about once an hour, hundreds of flags, cars honking, motorbikes revving engines...

It was a sight to see. Based on how many people driving through the barricade honked in support, I would say Bolsonaro has 80-90% support in the South. I wish Europe was anywhere near this based.

The president finally gave a short speech almost 2 days after the election. Very ambiguous message, not conceding anything. He had a beaming smile on his face which some say is a good sign he's confident that he can make a move here, but honestly I'm still skeptical.

Let's see how it plays out from here. The military is out in force because Lula supporters are rioting, looting and starting violence. Bolsonaro protests all completely peaceful and so forth, well we know all this from the US already.

This is from the North East of Brazil, where Lula allegedly won so much that it outweighed the whole rest of the country, where Bolsonaro did win, even by official (fraudulent) numbers).

 
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