The Jair Bolsonaro Thread

[Caramasão]

Okay... no way to verify that. The corrruption you came up with does literally translate to "MasonDude".

Masons are satanists (source) and you're criticizing Bolsonaro and defending Lula, in this video praising Chavez, Maduro, other communists. This whole "Hello my fellow right-wing Christians, consider this... here's some bad stuff about Bolsonaro and here are some good things about Lula" is odd. Is all I'm saying.

I'm in Brazil right now and while some are still hypnotized by the mainstream media supporting Lula, most are awake to what's going on and terrified that a communist might actually take office in January.

You say you can't verify it but you still come here to accuse me. "Masão" doesn't mean mason, it's not even pronounced the same way, ask any Portuguese speaker.

It's funny you accuse me of being a Freemason after criticizing Bolsonaro, do you know that Bolsonaro went to Masonic lodges to ask for support and appointed a openly Freemason as vice president? Everyone in Brazil knows this.

I don't care about people disagreeing with me, but why the lame accusation, it's just silly.

 

[Parmesan]

Nothing. We're not at the point yet of people not conceding against potential fraud. Bolsonaro will be like Trump and be a good little boy, just watch. Granted it's a massively tough decision.

What it will take is continuous destruction by the left until a real, non controlled opposition leader does it. This is concerning because both sides will keep electing more extreme leaders, since nothing seems to get done.

Until then, let the fraud continue.

I personally think there probably is loosely organized fraud on various levels, but it’s getting tiring seeing it constantly repeated on alt platforms with no smoking gun. These elections are close enough where it doesn’t take much to tip the scales. But that’s part of the problem. If you cross the rubicon you are just playing into leftist bogey men narratives. There are ALOT of people that support leftism, as wrong and unnatural is it may be, let’s not deny that. In such divided societies, I don’t see much benefit right now in drastic measures like a coup. You’re just firing up the opposition, they aren’t going to just throw up their hands and give up.

I can’t speak for Brazil, but here in America, we largely have ourselves to blame. When the management class in America was dominated by conservative thought, they happily adopted ever more ridiculous college degree “requirements” and other hallmarks of credentialism which benefitted sniveling academics over masculine, hard working males. Neo-cons were as disgusted with the working class as much champagne socialists. Their own classism slowly did them in while leftists used their own policies to slowly take over both the public and private sectors. This is what happens when you tell an entire generation to goto leftist universities and chase vanity careers over a traditional existence focused around God and raising children.

We have to start playing to long game to gain back cultural influence. Just bringing in the military to “fix” things overnight isn’t going to change the culture, and if anything it’s only going to sway moderates against us.

 

[infowarrior1]

I personally think there probably is loosely organized fraud on various levels, but it’s getting tiring seeing it constantly repeated on alt platforms with no smoking gun. These elections are close enough where it doesn’t take much to tip the scales. But that’s part of the problem. If you cross the rubicon you are just playing into leftist bogey men narratives. There are ALOT of people that support leftism, as wrong and unnatural is it may be, let’s not deny that. In such divided societies, I don’t see much benefit right now in drastic measures like a coup. You’re just firing up the opposition, they aren’t going to just throw up their hands and give up.

I can’t speak for Brazil, but here in America, we largely have ourselves to blame. When the management class in America was dominated by conservative thought, they happily adopted ever more ridiculous college degree “requirements” and other hallmarks of credentialism which benefitted sniveling academics over masculine, hard working males. Neo-cons were as disgusted with the working class as much champagne socialists. Their own classism slowly did them in while leftists used their own policies to slowly take over both the public and private sectors. This is what happens when you tell an entire generation to goto leftist universities and chase vanity careers over a traditional existence focused around God and raising children.

We have to start playing to long game to gain back cultural influence. Just bringing in the military to “fix” things overnight isn’t going to change the culture, and if anything it’s only going to sway moderates against us.

Both Pinochet and Franco left the universities and other avenues of influence to their enemies and look how they turned out. On the other hand. They are adept at portraying the bogeyman regardless if it's true.

It also speaks of the power of gentle power. Christianity upended the cultural values of the Roman Empire without the use of force or revolt.

Water may be soft but water defeats even the hardest of rock by wearing it away or turning into ice at times.

So our enemies use similar methods like the Fabian Socialists. Long-term victory isn't best achieved through hard power but hard power should be in service to gentle power which are more long-lasting.

 

[Belgrano]

Probably won't be successful, but hey, at least they tried.

 

[Parmesan]

Probably won't be successful, but hey, at least they tried.

Can anyone confirm this is actually real? During Covid there was lots of video of supposed "resistance" in Australia and elsewhere, and most of it turned out to be old footage.

 

[Going strong]

We have to start playing to long game

Except, our enemies are actively and rather efficiently decimating us, year after year, and they're winning the global media and "cultural" war (everywhere in the world, except in Russia and a handful of other countries).

So, I'm not sure we have the luxury of long-game planning. Matter of fact, I would think, either we fight back right now with everything we have, or, it would require a huge last-minute miracle for us to vanquish evil Globalist forces.

Regarding Brasil, Bolsonaro should have partitioned. There's little else to say. All Brazilians from the South agree, too, like 100%. Though you won't hear it in the media.

Plus, I'm not even sure anymore that Bolsonaro was really less Globalist than the new Lula.

In particular, we'll see the positioning of Lula regarding Russia and BRICs. Personally, I could bet that Lula will suddenly be a lot less Grupo de Puebla, and a lot more pro-Washington, once in charge, but I might be wrong.

So, time will tell... But I expect to see the new Lula travel twenty times to Washington DC, before he goes to La Havana, Mumbai or Moscow.

 

[Parmesan]

Except, our enemies are actively and rather efficiently decimating us, year after year, and they're winning the global media and "cultural" war (everywhere in the world, except in Russia and a handful of other countries).

So, I'm not sure we have the luxury of long-game planning. Matter of fact, I would think, either we fight back right now with everything we have, or, it would require a huge last-minute miracle for us to vanquish evil Globalist forces.

Regarding Brasil, Bolsonaro should have partitioned. There's little else to say. All Brazilians from the South agree, too, like 100%. Though you won't hear it in the media.

Plus, I'm not even sure anymore that Bolsonaro was really less Globalist than the new Lula. Probably, Lula 2022 is a bit less Globalist than Bolsonaro, come to think of it.

An actual coup by the right, whether it be in Brazil, America, or elsewhere, would be a wet dream of the Left. Martyrdom is exactly what they want. They've spent the last 6 years digging for their "gotcha" moment with Trump, when all these backwards MAGA hat wearing fools finally decide to bow down to Dr. Fauci and accept liberal, technocrat, metropolitan supremacy. They are still trying to sell us January 6th nearly 2 years later.

As of now, the left is doing a perfectly good of job of embarrassing itself and turning off sensible moderates. I'm not super optimistic we can turn the culture around without a massive economic crash and drop in living standards, but people are certainly more awake than they were 5, certainly 10 years ago. If people can't learn to wean themselves off liberal delusions and patronage, then a fracturing of our nations is in order, not a takeover which half the populace would despise (as much as I'd like to save the children who have to raised in a pro-pedo hellscape). The longer we can delay a formal breakup, the more time people have to organically self segregate, a process that has already been happening in America for at least a solid 2 decades now.

 

[Caramasão]

Can anyone confirm this is actually real? During Covid there was lots of video of supposed "resistance" in Australia and elsewhere, and most of it turned out to be old footage.

Yes it's real. Protests are taking place in front of military buildings in several states.

The trucker blockades are also real.

 

[Going strong]

An actual coup by the right, whether it be in Brazil, America, or elsewhere, would be a wet dream of the Left. Martyrdom is exactly what they want. They've spent the last 6 years digging for their "gotcha" moment with Trump, when all these backwards MAGA hat wearing fools finally decide to bow down to Dr. Fauci and accept liberal, technocrat, metropolitan supremacy. They are still trying to sell us January 6th nearly 2 years later.

As much as I despise what the left is doing to my country, authoritarianism would be a disaster when half the country is on a completely different page. As of now, the left is doing a perfectly good of job of embarrassing itself and turning off sensible moderates. I'm not super optimistic we can turn the culture around without a massive economic crash and drop in living standards, but people are certainly more awake than they were 5, certainly 10 years ago.

A failed coup is a disaster, sure, while a successful coup is a win, by definition a success is a win.

But, anyway, the Right worldwide is incapable of carrying out any successful coup.

Truth be told, is there currently a country in the world where the Right (as in, openly calling itself the Right) is not a joke? Except Hungary.

Take the case at hand, Bolsonaro is a military officer, 99% of soldiers voted for him, and nevertheless he's handing over the country without a fight. And maybe it's better, you're right. If one hands over the power, well, let other men of stronger resolve take it and let's see how they rule.

Quoting you, "authoritarianism would be a disaster when half the country is on a completely different page". Well, that's why I said above that partitioning was the only good solution. Bolsonaro didn't dare.

 

[Parmesan]

Truth be told, is there currently a country in the world where the Right (as in, openly calling itself the Right) is not a joke?

The American Right is on a much better trajectory than their European, Canadian, and Anglo counterparts. The Republican Party as a whole was unapologetically against Covid tyranny at pretty much all levels. They aren't perfect of course, and there is plenty to joke about, but they still make most Euro/UK "conservatives" look like woke liberals in comparison. And most of all, the party is in the process of moving further right, while their counterparts overseas mostly continue to try to out liberal the liberals.

 

[Caduceus]

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Man, all these so called "right wing" leaders cuck so hard when things get tough.

 

[NoMoreTO]

An actual coup by the right, whether it be in Brazil, America, or elsewhere, would be a wet dream of the Left. Martyrdom is exactly what they want. They've spent the last 6 years digging for their "gotcha" moment with Trump, when all these backwards MAGA hat wearing fools finally decide to bow down to Dr. Fauci and accept liberal, technocrat, metropolitan supremacy. They are still trying to sell us January 6th nearly 2 years later.

Yes, but Latin America has had it's share of right wing dictators in the past, sometimes supported by US. If Bolsonaro was truly going to cross the rubicon in this case, he would've had to ditch the USA & Jews and fully align with the BRICS.

 

[get2choppaaa]

My Brazilian coworker said he anticipates Lula gets retried and convicted and Bolsonaro comes back with in 2 years.

Dunno if thats a thing, and I'm skeptical... but he's a pretty smart dude and knows brazilian politics much better than I do, so I'm hopeful he's correct.

 

[Острог]

If Bolsonaro was his own man he should hand over power to the military and the military should appoint one of it's generals to rule the country until the election fraud is solved.

 

[Caduceus]

If Bolsonaro was his own man he should hand over power to the military and the military should appoint one of it's generals to rule the country until the election fraud is solved.

This is the exact same thing Trump should have done at the end of 2020 or the start of 2021, and most of the soldiers (and a lot of generals) would have been on his side. But both men seem to be cowards when it really counts.

 

[Going strong]

The American Right is on a much better trajectory than their European, Canadian, and Anglo counterparts. The Republican Party as a whole was unapologetically against Covid tyranny at pretty much all levels. They aren't perfect of course, and there is plenty to joke about, but they still make most Euro/UK "conservatives" look like woke liberals in comparison. And most of all, the party is in the process of moving further right, while their counterparts overseas mostly continue to try to out liberal the liberals.

I can't totally disagree with your analysis. You're quite right.

But, things are changing, notably because of the Ukraine.

For the US Right cannot, shouldn't, seriously keep supporting the new championing State of LGBTs, Ukraine.

Also, the US Right should stop supporting false Right-Wingers like for example the UK "Conservatives" or Sarko-type politicians. As to Bolsonaro, the jury's out.

The US Right should also stop apologising, stop using Twitter unless Musk gets real. Among many other things, but that's for another thread I guess.

In any case, you're right, the US Right is a lot less crazy-Woke than the US Left, plus they're a lot more religious and decent, in general. It's just that, like Bolsonaro, they're letting opportunities slip away... And (except Tucker) would they please stop hating on Russia, too.

 

[Gusamaso]

My Brazilian coworker said he anticipates Lula gets retried and convicted and Bolsonaro comes back with in 2 years.

Dunno if thats a thing, and I'm skeptical... but he's a pretty smart dude and knows brazilian politics much better than I do, so I'm hopeful he's correct.

The Supreme Court would not free Lula based on sham arguments in order to make him remove Bolsonaro from office just to do that again.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

Yes, but Latin America has had it's share of right wing dictators in the past, sometimes supported by US. If Bolsonaro was truly going to cross the rubicon in this case, he would've had to ditch the USA & Jews and fully align with the BRICS.

China is strongly allied with Lula though.

 

[C-Note]

My Brazilian coworker said he anticipates Lula gets retried and convicted and Bolsonaro comes back with in 2 years.

Dunno if thats a thing, and I'm skeptical... but he's a pretty smart dude and knows brazilian politics much better than I do, so I'm hopeful he's correct.

I expect that Bolsonaro consulted privately with his friends in the military, judiciary, and other powerful people over the last few days and they gave him advice along these lines.

 

[Laner]

I expect that Bolsonaro consulted privately with his friends in the military, judiciary, and other powerful people over the last few days and they gave him advice along these lines.

Brazil has all the energy of the famous quote by Lenin,
"There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen"