The Jewish Question (JQ) thread

Pendleton

Pelican
They never see their own hypocrisy. I have never known any group with such an utter lack of self awareness.
BTW "Hamilton" is telling other jews to not be ashamed of their Jewish identity?
I'm not sure if they don't see it or simply don't care. My experience with them suggests the latter. It is only hypocrisy if you believe all groups have equal dignity and should be treated accordingly. If you have the jewish mindset that there are jews (aka real people) and then subhumans, then they aren't being hypocritical so much as distinguishing the between rules for people and rules for cattle.
 
The grand irony of non-German wignats who worship Hitler is that he would have killed them without a second thought.

There were many non Germans who supported the The Third Reich and even fought for the Third Reich. Leon Degrelle was a Belgian who fought on the Eastern Front. I don't think Hitler would kill any non German for the sake of them being non German out of nowhere. If this were 1940 Nazi Germany and I a non German went up to Hitler saying I support you the chances of him having me killed are very unlikely.

I mean Alfred Rosenberg was a Jew who was a member of the Nazi Party and got sentenced to death at Nuremberg.

This claim you make portrays Hitler as a Genocidal irrational maniac with no conscience i.e. the mainstream narrative. Which he was not. You have to remember what the guy was facing. This is war after all. The crimes of the Nazi's however do not compare to the crimes of the allies.

2 nukes dropped on Japan killing thousands of innocent women children, infants etc. The victims of the Nukes were not even soldiers, most of them! Most were innocent civilians! Hellstorm, millions raped, tortured and murdered by the allies after the war.

The Bolsheviks slaughtering 30 million Christians. The Holodomor famine killing millions by the soviets.

We can also mention the crimes of Israel against the Palestinians and Armenians.

And what did Hitler do? Kill 6 million jews? Which is not even true to begin with.

World War I destroyed Germany. Germans are a Nordic peoples and were on the brink of complete destruction and were being subverted by Jews in the Weimar Republic. Kinda like how we are right now and Our people are on the brink of complete destruction, right now. White genocide is happening right now. Also Germans were being harshly mistreated in Poland for no reason, they were being killed and massacred hence a big reason why they Invaded Poland. Do not forget Germany lost territories to Poland after the first World War. Hitler said he was going to take back their Rightful lands and put an end to the unjust massacre of His people.

The threat of a communist take over of Germany was growing by the day. Hitler acted and tried to save his people and foresaw what would happen to the west if he did not succeed and ultimately wound up failing and well look at Germany today. Look at Europe today. Look at the photos of typical Germans of The Wehrmacht when the National Socialists took control of Germany and look at the Germans of today. The West is being destroyed right now as we speak. Christendom is being warred against right now. The Catholic church is subverted pretty well at the moment and fails to put up any kind of fight. The Orthodox Church barely has any influence over the west and certain Jurisdictions such as GOARCH and the OCA have capitulated to the mob.

Now I am not saying If the Nazi's would have won it would have been a Utopia. Absolutely not. I am not a Nazi. But I can't help but wonder what if? Their ideology is very pro western. What condition would the west be in right now if they had won, compared to our present reality. Perhaps it would be worse. Perhaps they would have committed atrocities unthinkable. Perhaps it would be the equivalent to living under the Pagan Roman empire as a Christian. A nightmare. But maybe not!

I do not worship Hitler by any means. Anything outside the lines of Catholic/Orthodox paradigm I am going to have problems with. But I'll take what I can get. And didn't Hitler save Mount Athos from being bombed, don't they have a picture of him. Didn't the pope at the time Pius XII support Germany? Yes I am well aware that a-lot of Nazi's were tapped into some occult/demonic phenomenon and by no means will I try to defend that. I am just saying though. One can't help but be very sympathetic to Hitler and his cause and perhaps even develop a admiration for him. Why not? People admire Julius Caesar, Napoleon, Alexander, Marcus Aurelius, (who persecuted Christians). How is Hitler any different from these men of destiny? Actually Hitler is probably the most well behaved one out of that bunch! At least he was baptized! Napoleon was too but I digress. Nobody's perfect. But I give respect where respect is due. And judging from where we're at right now. One can't help but be sympathetic to Hitler's cause.
 
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Pendleton

Pelican
Many are wedded to the monster movie narrative of WW2, either because it serves their interests or due to brainwashing. German allies in WW2 included Romania, Croatia, Slovakia, Italy, Hungary, Bulgaria, Finland, Japan. The Nazi view of the Slavs is well known but the idea that they were just madmen bent on taking over the world and slaughtering every non-German in their path has no historical basis.
 
Many are wedded to the monster movie narrative of WW2, either because it serves their interests or due to brainwashing. German allies in WW2 included Romania, Croatia, Slovakia, Italy, Hungary, Bulgaria, Finland, Japan. The Nazi view of the Slavs is well known but the idea that they were just madmen bent on taking over the world and slaughtering every non-German in their path has no historical basis.

Exactly the point I was trying to make.
 
And what would have happened to those countries if they had resources Hitler wanted for Germans? It’s not a “monster movie narrative” to believe that he meant what he wrote in his book (though he does lie about certain historical details in it, on top of admitting that he lied to his own followers in order to keep them useful).

In regards to your Athos question, he stopped his own soldiers from plundering it - not stopped it from being bombed.
 
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Pendleton

Pelican
He did want their resources, especially the Romanian oil. He got it as part of the alliance. Whatever it could be imagined that he might have done at some future date in some entirely hypothetical situation, it seems unlikely it would have stood out as uniquely cruel compared to what the Soviets actually did as they acquired 1/6 of the world's land or the British as they acquired rule over 25% of the world's people. Both the British and the Soviets already had experience killing off 10%+ of enemy populations prior to WW2 (the Boers and Ukrainians). Of course, those were largely non-jews so perhaps it is an apples and oranges comparison to some.
 
Half the responses to me in this thread are people playing the “Michael doesn’t like Hitler because of his ethnicity” game, when in reality I’m not convinced that said responders have read either Hitler’s book or anything regarding the racial ideology (de Gobineau, de LaPouge etc) that formed the core of his entire worldview. I’m doing my best not to insult others during Lent, so I’ll simply encourage my detractors in this thread to read the relevant literature before deciding that Hitler was “pro-Western” or that it’s a “monster movie narrative” to suggest that non-German lives were worthless to him (except insofar as they could be used to further his agenda). He explicitly wrote that the value of a human being lay entirely in his race, and by “race” he did not mean “white” or “Western.”

And yes the Pope supported him, specifically because it’s part of Catholic doctrine to work with the legitimate authorities and Hitler was elected to lead Germany so whether said Pope had personal misgivings about it or not, he couldn’t exactly tell Roman Catholics to rebel against the lawful government without violating his own church’s doctrine on the topic. Obviously there was a lot of nuance involved with that, both in what individual Catholics chose to do regarding certain laws and in the Concordat that the Pope ended up signing. Plus Vatican City only exists because of Fascism in the first place, though obviously along the Mussolinian line rather than the Hitlerian one, so to some extent the Vatican wasn’t going to turn its back on Mussolini’s ally either and in doing so risk angering Mussolini.

There were other groups in Germany at the time, such as the Conservative Revolutionary circles that Evola hung out on the fringes of, that were equally anti-Weimar, anti-Bolshevik, anti-democracy etc but without the eugenics and racial mythology that the Nazis espoused. Hitler wasn’t the only game in town in regards to wanting to fix the obvious problems, he was just the one that ended up winning politically. Hence my encouragement that people actually learn about the topics at hand. It takes arduous and time-consuming work to untangle situations like the one we’re discussing. There’s a reason Evola thought that Hitler was possessed, materialistic, and promoted a base and bastardized version of what the word Aryan actually meant and encompassed in the first place.

“Hitler good because Jews bad” is a low-IQ take on a complex situation.
 
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Mountaineer

Pelican
Gold Member
Also Germans were being harshly mistreated in Poland for no reason, they were being killed and massacred hence a big reason why they Invaded Poland.
This is propaganda as far as I know. There is no solid historical evidence to back this claim, let alone the number behind it. It's as trustworthy as the Holocaust. If you think that was the reason for WW2 you are still in the fog.
 
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Papist

Robin
Who cares about normie boomers at this point? They are a lost cause anyway. I would say the truth is always worth defending and even dying for. The problem is that it's not always easy to tell which side you are on until generations later. American soldier during WW2 were brainwashed into thinking they are the good side not realizing they were manipulated. The current generations are the one who are seeing the
results of the "good side" winning. The meme wars is all about planting that seed of doubt in the minds of the young so they can begin to question the narrative. There is really no way to dance around this topic, you cant say: "Ahh yes every industry is controlled by a group of close-knit aliens that suck off the countries' finances and resources while you are in debt....but at the same time of course history is totally reliable especially ww2 the holohoax totally happened and hitler was definitely the evilest man ever."

You just can't do half-truths. You give the, the full pill it's up to them to take or remain NPCs.

Many are wedded to the monster movie narrative of WW2, either because it serves their interests or due to brainwashing. German allies in WW2 included Romania, Croatia, Slovakia, Italy, Hungary, Bulgaria, Finland, Japan. The Nazi view of the Slavs is well known but the idea that they were just madmen bent on taking over the world and slaughtering every non-German in their path has no historical basis.

@Againstallodds & @Pendleton

I am as red-pilled as they come; I question everything I am told, and I don't accept the orthodox narrative about many historical events, with 9/11 being the most obvious lie. However, having read Mein Kampf to discern Hitler's own thoughts and opinions, it is apparent that he wasn't a Christian and that he had a pathological hatred of Jewish people. For every action there is a reaction, and the world, and particularly the Jewish people, have reacted to Nazi ideology and the pendulum has swung the other way.

Like it or not, and many people do not, it is clear to me that God's chosen people were the Jews. This is apparent from their inordinate contribution to the modern world - psychology (e.g. Freud); physics (Einstein); sociology (Durkheim); the atomic bomb (Oppenheimer); political theory (Marx); economic theory (Milton Friedman); banking (Rothschilds); anthropology (Boas); and, of course, our Lord and Saviour, Jesus. Still doubt me? Take a look at the inordinate number of Nobel Prize winners. Richard Lynn found Jewish people to have a higher average IQ than Asian and White people, which is no surprise to a Christian.

Now, we know that man is inherently sinful, don't we? So people who reject Jesus and worship mammon are, generally speaking, going to do bad things. Furthermore, the higher one's IQ the greater their potential to do both good, and bad, things.

The answer to the JQ is Jesus.
 

Punchitchewie

Woodpecker
Nixon and Johnson both were from a time where normal guys could be elected to the presidency. Nikon is on tape talking about fucking kikes and a lot of similar language, and Johnson talked that way as well. Anyway, the farther back you go in history, the more everyone was redpilled and informed about *them*. It's common knowledge hundreds of years ago you better kick them out ASAP or your country will be subverted or conquered.
Look at fairy tales.

notice how all the evil people have poor genes, love gold/jewellery, try lure children away, have large hooked noses etc. our ancestors tried to warn us.
Walt Disney was very aware. Look what at Disney movies during and after his life to see what they did to his legacy.
 

Oberrheiner

Pelican
There’s a reason Evola thought that Hitler was possessed, materialistic, and promoted a base and bastardized version of what the word Aryan actually meant and encompassed in the first place.
Evola was a narbonoid mutt who fell in love with himmler, only to turn his back later on when he understood he could never be a part of it.

You know what they say about a woman scorned ..
 

Oberrheiner

Pelican
You can google it, but honestly there is not much added value in this whole conversation anyway.

Think what you will of hitler, but don't say it, ever.
It's illegal pretty much everywhere, and will undoubtly get you in trouble.
Maybe not today, maybe not next year, but eventually it will.
 
There were many non Germans who supported the The Third Reich and even fought for the Third Reich. Leon Degrelle was a Belgian who fought on the Eastern Front. I don't think Hitler would kill any non German for the sake of them being non German out of nowhere. If this were 1940 Nazi Germany and I a non German went up to Hitler saying I support you the chances of him having me killed are very unlikely.

I mean Alfred Rosenberg was a Jew who was a member of the Nazi Party and got sentenced to death at Nuremberg.

This claim you make portrays Hitler as a Genocidal irrational maniac with no conscience i.e. the mainstream narrative. Which he was not. You have to remember what the guy was facing. This is war after all. The crimes of the Nazi's however do not compare to the crimes of the allies.

2 nukes dropped on Japan killing thousands of innocent women children, infants etc. The victims of the Nukes were not even soldiers, most of them! Most were innocent civilians! Hellstorm, millions raped, tortured and murdered by the allies after the war.

The Bolsheviks slaughtering 30 million Christians. The Holodomor famine killing millions by the soviets.

We can also mention the crimes of Israel against the Palestinians and Armenians.

And what did Hitler do? Kill 6 million jews? Which is not even true to begin with.

World War I destroyed Germany. Germans are a Nordic peoples and were on the brink of complete destruction and were being subverted by Jews in the Weimar Republic. Kinda like how we are right now and Our people are on the brink of complete destruction, right now. White genocide is happening right now. Also Germans were being harshly mistreated in Poland for no reason, they were being killed and massacred hence a big reason why they Invaded Poland. Do not forget Germany lost territories to Poland after the first World War. Hitler said he was going to take back their Rightful lands and put an end to the unjust massacre of His people.

The threat of a communist take over of Germany was growing by the day. Hitler acted and tried to save his people and foresaw what would happen to the west if he did not succeed and ultimately wound up failing and well look at Germany today. Look at Europe today. Look at the photos of typical Germans of The Wehrmacht when the National Socialists took control of Germany and look at the Germans of today. The West is being destroyed right now as we speak. Christendom is being warred against right now. The Catholic church is subverted pretty well at the moment and fails to put up any kind of fight. The Orthodox Church barely has any influence over the west and certain Jurisdictions such as GOARCH and the OCA have capitulated to the mob.

Now I am not saying If the Nazi's would have won it would have been a Utopia. Absolutely not. I am not a Nazi. But I can't help but wonder what if? Their ideology is very pro western. What condition would the west be in right now if they had won, compared to our present reality. Perhaps it would be worse. Perhaps they would have committed atrocities unthinkable. Perhaps it would be the equivalent to living under the Pagan Roman empire as a Christian. A nightmare. But maybe not!

I do not worship Hitler by any means. Anything outside the lines of Catholic/Orthodox paradigm I am going to have problems with. But I'll take what I can get. And didn't Hitler save Mount Athos from being bombed, don't they have a picture of him. Didn't the pope at the time Pius XII support Germany? Yes I am well aware that a-lot of Nazi's were tapped into some occult/demonic phenomenon and by no means will I try to defend that. I am just saying though. One can't help but be very sympathetic to Hitler and his cause and perhaps even develop a admiration for him. Why not? People admire Julius Caesar, Napoleon, Alexander, Marcus Aurelius, (who persecuted Christians). How is Hitler any different from these men of destiny? Actually Hitler is probably the most well behaved one out of that bunch! At least he was baptized! Napoleon was too but I digress. Nobody's perfect. But I give respect where respect is due. And judging from where we're at right now. One can't help but be sympathetic to Hitler's cause.
It's one thing to believe the post-WWII Marxist, Jewish propaganda about "muh evil Hitler" but falling for crude Nazi propaganda is also not wise. Yes, Hitler wasn't some maniac trying to take over the world, killing everyone but blue-eyed blond Aryans and massacring people in concentration camps in the most bizarre fashion. These are all stupid caricatures of what Nazi Germany and Hitler himself were.
But let's not forget that they also were the masters of propaganda too. I am not saying it's necessarily a bad thing, you have to use it if you want your people to believe in your cause. But it also means that there's a lot of distortions in Nazis' version of history.
I am Polish so I am obviously biased, I can see, however, that you're repeating exactly what they wanted people to believe.
Let's take the supposed reason Germany invaded Poland. There was no such thing as massacres of Germans by Poles. Were there incidents and possibly even random killings because of the animosity between the two nations? Of course. Was it a systemic action deployed by the Polish government. Of course not!
Also, what do you mean by no reason at all? Do you know the history of the two nations? I am not advocating violence against random civilian Germans but would you say 150 years of not having your own country due to Germany's partition of Poland and decades of forced Germanisation is at least a reason? Do you know that what Hitler was calling taking back rightful lands was actually re-taking lands that were not only ethnically Polish but were the cradle of the Polish nation? Poland, once the biggest European country, was completely erased from the map towards the end 18th century. But it's not like all the Poles disappeared too.
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There was no Poland pre-WWI but the country that reemerged after the Great War was, especially in its western parts, ethnically Polish. Poland in '39 was still a struggling, impoverished, badly governed state. But no one really wanted or needed another war with Germany who, even though were exhausted and humiliated after the WWI, were still a lot wealthier and stronger country. It was even more obvious in the 1930s, when Hitler's Reich was striving while Poland was spiraling into deeper internal chaos. Polish government and elites expected Hitler would attack well before '39, they simply didn't know when exactly. Not because they were that stupid and would keep "massacring Germans" even though Hitler said "oi, Poles, stop that or else!" but because Hitler's demands and actions were pretty transparent! And because they knew they messed up big time over the last 20 years and Poland was weak so they desperately looked for allies. They knew they wouldn't stand a chance militarily against Germans.
Look, I am not trying to simply say "Germans bad, Poles good" as things were pretty complex then. But even if Poles did treat Germans so badly as Nazis claimed what would seem like a proper response? Political and economic pressure? Helping Germans move back to the motherland? Maybe even some military action and scare tactic so Poles back off? Or maybe all above together?
And what did Hitler do instead? He secretly sided with a Communist regime filled with Jews to invade and partition Poland yet again, to incorporate lands that had never been German and with no Germans living there, to quickly establish new governing bodies in the occupied territories, exterminate on mass scale Polish elites (long before they went after Jews) and turn thousands of Poles into slave labour. We're talking about a nation, bear in mind, that was pretty skeptical about Jews!
I don't know but it doesn't seem like an impulsive act of retaliation because of some mistreatment of minorities. Seems like a precisely crafted strategy, planned long ahead and swiftly executed.
 

DanielH

Pelican
Just skipped much of the last page of Hitler talk. That's why I originally told the guy not to bring it up. It's just retarded and degrades the conversation. When you dive too deep into Hitlerology you're just going to turn yourself into a pariah. It's like flat earth in that respect. There's no salvation at the end of the tunnel of Hitlerology. Every second squabbling over him is totally wasted. It seems like a phase right-wingers have. At some point you realize everything you were taught was a lie, so you have to get to the bottom of the Hitler man. Sure, a lot of propaganda about him is overblown. Sure he had some good ideas. Yes, the people he was figthting were oftentimes worse. No he was not the ideal leader.

What I said on the last page was:
I would strongly discourage you from saying good things about Hitler or creating such a thread. Even if all that is true (some of it was said of him before the war) it doesn't help us at all to try to repair his image. For 98% of Americans, he is as bad or worse than Satan and any movement that sides with him will lose the culture war no matter what. There's better 20th Century right wing political figures you could prop up.
and I stand by that.
 
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@Againstallodds & @Pendleton

I am as red-pilled as they come; I question everything I am told, and I don't accept the orthodox narrative about many historical events, with 9/11 being the most obvious lie. However, having read Mein Kampf to discern Hitler's own thoughts and opinions, it is apparent that he wasn't a Christian and that he had a pathological hatred of Jewish people. For every action there is a reaction, and the world, and particularly the Jewish people, have reacted to Nazi ideology and the pendulum has swung the other way.

Like it or not, and many people do not, it is clear to me that God's chosen people were the Jews. This is apparent from their inordinate contribution to the modern world - psychology (e.g. Freud); physics (Einstein); sociology (Durkheim); the atomic bomb (Oppenheimer); political theory (Marx); economic theory (Milton Friedman); banking (Rothschilds); anthropology (Boas); and, of course, our Lord and Saviour, Jesus. Still doubt me? Take a look at the inordinate number of Nobel Prize winners. Richard Lynn found Jewish people to have a higher average IQ than Asian and White people, which is no surprise to a Christian.

Now, we know that man is inherently sinful, don't we? So people who reject Jesus and worship mammon are, generally speaking, going to do bad things. Furthermore, the higher one's IQ the greater their potential to do both good, and bad, things.

The answer to the JQ is Jesus.

The Jews are God’s chosen people.

Jesus Christ was Jewish.

HIS mother, foster father, apostles and disciples were Jewish.

Christianity is the fulfilment of the Jewish religion.

Lots of Jews were open to Jesus Christ and his message.

In Europe in the 19th century Jews were viewed as being “clever” but that they were only able to ‘imitate’ – this is why Talmudic Jews like to push this ‘genius’ narrative.

Sigmund Freud’s theories have been hopelessly discredited – “you’re messed up in the head because you want to have sex with your mother”.

Einstein was smart; however, he was hyped up big time. Einstein didn’t work alone. Other scientists were working on the relativity theory as well such as Jules Henri Poincare. This is why the paper he submitted on the theory of relativity contained no footnotes / citations. Einstein wanted all of the credit. This is why he wasn’t awarded the Nobel Prize for the relativity theory. Einstein was the Mark Zuckerberg of science.

I don’t know much about Durkheim except his ‘anomie’ theory. Sociology is a pseudo science just like Economics.

Oppenheimer – the atomic bomb is not much of a contribution to humanity.

Milton Freidman came up with the ‘shareholder theory’ which resulted in US business moving their operations overseas – this has decimated the middle class in the United States.

Marx wrote poems in honour of Satan and developed an ideology (Communism) that resulted in the deaths of millions of people e.g. the ‘Holodomor’ in Ukraine and the ‘Great Leap Forward’ in China.

The Rothschild’s are glorified loan sharks. Moving money around and practicing usury is not productive economic activity.

Franz Boas hated European Civilisation which is why he promoted the idea that all cultures are equal. This idea was popularised by his ‘shabbos goy’ disciple Margaret Mead.
 
@Againstallodds & @Pendleton

I am as red-pilled as they come; I question everything I am told, and I don't accept the orthodox narrative about many historical events, with 9/11 being the most obvious lie. However, having read Mein Kampf to discern Hitler's own thoughts and opinions, it is apparent that he wasn't a Christian and that he had a pathological hatred of Jewish people. For every action there is a reaction, and the world, and particularly the Jewish people, have reacted to Nazi ideology and the pendulum has swung the other way.

Like it or not, and many people do not, it is clear to me that God's chosen people were the Jews. This is apparent from their inordinate contribution to the modern world - psychology (e.g. Freud); physics (Einstein); sociology (Durkheim); the atomic bomb (Oppenheimer); political theory (Marx); economic theory (Milton Friedman); banking (Rothschilds); anthropology (Boas); and, of course, our Lord and Saviour, Jesus. Still doubt me? Take a look at the inordinate number of Nobel Prize winners. Richard Lynn found Jewish people to have a higher average IQ than Asian and White people, which is no surprise to a Christian.

Now, we know that man is inherently sinful, don't we? So people who reject Jesus and worship mammon are, generally speaking, going to do bad things. Furthermore, the higher one's IQ the greater their potential to do both good, and bad, things.

The answer to the JQ is Jesus.

Yes the Jews were god's chosen people. Key word, were. Not anymore. Yes our lord was a Jew.

But you seem to forget how the Jews of today at least most of them are not the Jews of the bible. They are not the Israelites of the bible. Most of them are converts.

^ I think everyone in this forum would agree with me.

That's like saying the Egyptians today are the Egyptians of Ancient Egypt. The Italians, The Romans. The Greeks, The Ancient Greeks etc etc.
 
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