The Joe Rogan thread

demolition

Woodpecker
RE: Roosh mentioned on the most recent Joe Rogan podcast

azulsombra said:
It sickens me everytime I hear these maladjusted social justice activists referred to as "warriors".

Why are we letting SJW's control the language on our side?

They continue to refer to Rooshv and others as Pick up Artists despite their rejection of that term because they know there is a stigma associated with that word.

Language is powerful and frames a debate, compare the terms illegal alien, illegal immigrant, undocumented immigrant and american in waiting.

These whiny rejects are NOT warriors, they are activists and should be referred to as SJA's in the manosphere.

You are being tone deaf. Social Justice Warrior is a pejorative term.
The point of calling them Social Justice 'Warriors' is to draw attention and express disdain for their ludicrously petty and myopic things that they fight for.
 

redbeard

Hummingbird
Catholic
Gold Member
RE: Roosh mentioned on the most recent Joe Rogan podcast

@Nero aka Milo Yiannopoulos was on last night. For those who don't know he is a GamerGate guy who met up with Roosh in London.

On the podcast JOE was the one to bring up Roosh. Somewhere around the 32 minute mark Joe brings up "the guy in Toronto"...no mention of name but it's still progress.

I thought this interview was epic. Nero is gay as shit but made Joe sound like a bitch, and wasn't hesitant to call Joe out on his feminist trolling tactics. My highlight was when Milo said the best way to beat feminists is to neg them. :D

 

debeguiled

Peacock
Gold Member
RE: Roosh mentioned on the most recent Joe Rogan podcast

redbeard said:
@Nero aka Milo Yiannopoulos was on last night. For those who don't know he is a GamerGate guy who met up with Roosh in London.

On the podcast JOE was the one to bring up Roosh. Somewhere around the 32 minute mark Joe brings up "the guy in Toronto"...no mention of name but it's still progress.

I thought this interview was epic. Nero is gay as shit but made Joe sound like a bitch, and wasn't hesitant to call Joe out on his feminist trolling tactics. My highlight was when Milo said the best way to beat feminists is to neg them. :D



Rogan is referring to the earlier Warren Farrell fiasco in Toronto:




I was hoping Milo would bring up Roosh though.

I didn't watch the whole thing. Rogan seemed like a kind of a neanderthal in this one. At first he was making all sorts of generalizations. MRAs are this. MGTOWs are that, then when Milo tried to make a similar generalization about men or women, Rogan got all indignant, saying you can't make generalizations like that.

Basically the NAWALT argument over and over. Milo would try to explain that any native English speaker understands that it is a generalization and not an absolute, and that he doesn't need to be interrupted and reminded every few seconds, but Rogan kept doing it over and over. Ridiculous. Stopped listening at that point. Don't know whether he was trolling or just obtuse.
 

AnonymousBosch

 
Banned
Gold Member
RE: Roosh mentioned on the most recent Joe Rogan podcast

debeguiled said:
Basically the NAWALT argument over and over. Milo would try to explain that any native English speaker understands that it is a generalization and not an absolute, and that he doesn't need to be interrupted and reminded every few seconds, but Rogan kept doing it over and over. Ridiculous. Stopped listening at that point. Don't know whether he was trolling or just obtuse.

I had it running in the background whilst doing other tasks, and I was struck by how Nero sounded Very Correct and English with flashes of Gay Flamboyance, but Joe has a Drug-Fucked / Wasted Tone, and is the one with frequent High Rising Terminals in his voice. This is used by groups traditionally lacking Power, Confidence and Authority, such as Women and Gay Men, as a signal to not interrupt them. It's a classic Tell of men who are likely to bow before outside authority in outlaw group dynamics.

Rogan knows he's a Brand, and his Brand is about selling the appearance of outlaw edginess to would-be Edgelords without being truly edgy, outlaw or subversive enough to piss off marketing affiliates.

He's a classic Generation X composite of 'extreme' target marketing: selling the appearance of rebellion in a way that never threatens the status quo. He's every backwards-cap wearing, skateboard-riding, dude with 'tude cartoon character from about '86 to '96, parodied here:

1010904-poochie.gif


Note his rants on Zombie Jesus about 1 hr 30, which is when I gave up listening. The pompous cloud of smug that shows he actually believe he's pushing the boundaries with those statements. :tard:
 

debeguiled

Peacock
Gold Member
RE: Roosh mentioned on the most recent Joe Rogan podcast

AnonymousBosch said:
I had it running in the background whilst doing other tasks, and I was struck by how Nero sounded Very Correct and English with flashes of Gay Flamboyance, but Joe has a Drug-Fucked / Wasted Tone, and is the one with frequent High Rising Terminals in his voice. This is used by groups traditionally lacking Power, Confidence and Authority, such as Women and Gay Men, as a signal to not interrupt them. It's a classic Tell of men who are likely to bow before outside authority in outlaw group dynamics.

Rogan knows he's a Brand, and his Brand is about selling the appearance of outlaw edginess to would-be Edgelords without being truly edgy, outlaw or subversive enough to piss off marketing affiliates.

He's a classic Generation X composite of 'extreme' target marketing: selling the appearance of rebellion in a way that never threatens the status quo. He's every backwards-cap wearing, skateboard-riding, dude with 'tude cartoon character from about '86 to '96, parodied here:

1010904-poochie.gif


Note his rants on Zombie Jesus about 1 hr 30, which is when I gave up listening. The pompous cloud of smug that shows he actually believe he's pushing the boundaries with those statements. :tard:

From what I understand about his history, he was something of a taekwondo champion in his teens and early twenties, then became a stand up comic and hacked away at that career till he landed a sitcom, and then later the hosting job of "Fear Factor."

From what I have heard on podcasts by other comedians coming up with him, all of them were physically afraid of him for years, and only lately has he become more mellow, owing his new personality to weed and floatation tanks.

What is crazy is the guy has had all the success someone could want, and never has to work again after hosting that game show, and yet your analysis makes a lot of sense.

I have listened to his show from time to time, and he has interesting guests, and is pretty funny, and yet I always had a weird feeling about him, like something wasn't quite right.

So you are totally right, it is like the weed is talking, and he is playing at being the subversive dude who has edgy sounding sponsors. It is easy, I guess, for me to forget that someone who is physically imposing can be so insecure, and I will listen again after your linguistic analysis, so I can hear that too.

In a way, really, he is still just the martial arts bully, dressed up in a new agey, techno narcissist's clothing, and talking over Milo, or refusing to concede points is a way of verbally bullying under the guise of intellectual back and forth.

When I watch his standup, I think that even though he is funny, it isn't like he is a natural comedian like Bill Burr or Brian Regan, and that he is getting something else out of it, like he wants to make people laugh and still be taken seriously at the same time.

Thanks for helping clarify this guy's weirdness.
 

debeguiled

Peacock
Gold Member
RE: Roosh mentioned on the most recent Joe Rogan podcast

AnonymousBosch said:
It's a classic Tell of men who are likely to bow before outside authority in outlaw group dynamics.

Does this mean he would bow before authority external to the outlaw group, like kiss ass in the presence of another gang or the cops?
 

iop890

Peacock
Orthodox
Gold Member
RE: Roosh mentioned on the most recent Joe Rogan podcast

I haven't seen much from Rogan but I set through that whole pod-cast with Milo and wasn't impressed. Milo came off as very intelligent and red-pill despite being gay as fuck.

Yet Rogan just kept on with the NAWALT and athiest+ talking points, even bringing it back up in the last few minutes. It was tiring, especially when he refused to acknowledge that Christianity had any influence on Anglo culture.
 
RE: Roosh mentioned on the most recent Joe Rogan podcast

AnonymousBosch said:
He's a classic Generation X composite of 'extreme' target marketing: selling the appearance of rebellion in a way that never threatens the status quo. He's every backwards-cap wearing, skateboard-riding, dude with 'tude cartoon character from about '86 to '96, parodied here:

Note his rants on Zombie Jesus about 1 hr 30, which is when I gave up listening. The pompous cloud of smug that shows he actually believe he's pushin


I don't think that he is a tremendous pussy - here he is back in the day destroying an aggressive post-wall feminist bitterbitch:



How he is on the show is frankly of little relevance. That is a screen persona.

You guys are missing the fact that he has to tow the party line being on mainstream shows. Also him making 7 digits does not mean much in terms of financial freedom. Many times those guys spend 8 digits on a house and blow because they think that the party time will keep on rolling.

But then when they stray too much from the official narrative, they are quickly reminded that they can lose it all with a snap of a finger.

Feminism is the narrative or at least NAWALT, atheism is the main presstitute talking point as well - or the usual cuckservative viewpoint that is being sold as Christian (vs the patriarchal old-school toughness Christianity that built the USA originally).

Rogan is their bitch and it seems to me that he has upped his coke bill and gained weight - indicators of losing his edge - he is not the same guy that stood up to the bitch above. You are not allowed to remain yourself completely if you take their mainstream gig - the same goes for artists to a degree (especially musicians). They pick you when you can reach a certain demographic, you can put out your viewpoints - in Rogan's case it was his previous stance on feminism and quasi Red Pill, but then they use guys like him to twist the Red Pill into feminism light or Christianity either into atheism or ridiculous cuckservatism (and feminism).

I'll listen to the show during workout, so might have some other insights.
 

Zep

Pelican
Other Christian
RE: Roosh mentioned on the most recent Joe Rogan podcast

azulsombra said:
It sickens me everytime I hear these maladjusted social justice activists referred to as "warriors".

Why are we letting SJW's control the language on our side?

They continue to refer to Rooshv and others as Pick up Artists despite their rejection of that term because they know there is a stigma associated with that word.

Language is powerful and frames a debate, compare the terms illegal alien, illegal immigrant, undocumented immigrant and american in waiting.

These whiny rejects are NOT warriors, they are activists and should be referred to as SJA's in the manosphere.

Agree.

Would Social Justice Communist ( SJC ) work? Keeping in mind that the word "communist" is the last word that rolls off the tongue, and stays in the mind.

Communism: a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.
 

Tigre

Kingfisher
Gold Member
RE: Roosh mentioned on the most recent Joe Rogan podcast

debeguiled said:
In a way, really, he is still just the martial arts bully, dressed up in a new agey, techno narcissist's clothing, and talking over Milo, or refusing to concede points is a way of verbally bullying under the guise of intellectual back and forth.

Milo was the one interrupting Rogan non-stop.

At one point Rogan even told him "if we're going to have a conversation, you'll have to stop talking over the top of me when I'm saying something".

Rogan normally vibes pretty well with his other interviewees. I've watched maybe five podcasts of his. He likes to chew the fat and discuss ideas at length.

Milo came in a bit too hostile. He was trying to score cheap debate points, instead of looking to build rapport. I think Milo is a smart commentator and very talented. But he got the tone of this interview completely wrong.

Rogan was gracious during the interview. If I remember right, they do the podcasts from a studio room in his own house. If some guest of mine is calling me an asshole and insulting me in my own home, I'm going to be tempted to tell them to GTFO. Milo was doing that, and Rogan didn't bully him at all. He just let him do his thing.
 

Sooth

Pelican
Gold Member
RE: Roosh mentioned on the most recent Joe Rogan podcast

This is the first Rogan podcast I've listened to in entirety.

By this interview alone Rogan seems a side product of the left. He's a Mitsubishi ocean liner when everyone knows Mitsubishi for making passenger cars. He's edgy, but he's still a Mitsi.

Throughout the whole interview Rogan was trying to halt the conversation on semantics and generalisations - something you do when you're loosing.
It's a red herring designed to avoid continuing the conversation. I don't know if that's what he was trying to do or if it's just something he picked up.

Milo is very well researched in his topics because that's his job. When Milo saves us the research and generalises a statistic, Rogan morphs into a tumblr feminist "Well not every XY is a Z". No shit moron thanks for interrupting the flow. A couple of times Rogan starts talking about something and Milo says "Yeah I broke that story".

Rogan prides himself on being the free thinker but his mind is so open that his brains are falling out.
 

debeguiled

Peacock
Gold Member
RE: Roosh mentioned on the most recent Joe Rogan podcast

Tigre said:
debeguiled said:
In a way, really, he is still just the martial arts bully, dressed up in a new agey, techno narcissist's clothing, and talking over Milo, or refusing to concede points is a way of verbally bullying under the guise of intellectual back and forth.

Milo was the one interrupting Rogan non-stop.

At one point Rogan even told him "if we're going to have a conversation, you'll have to stop talking over the top of me when I'm saying something".

Rogan normally vibes pretty well with his other interviewees. I've watched maybe five podcasts of his. He likes to chew the fat and discuss ideas at length.

Milo came in a bit too hostile. He was trying to score cheap debate points, instead of looking to build rapport. I think Milo is a smart commentator and very talented. But he got the tone of this interview completely wrong.

Rogan was gracious during the interview. If I remember right, they do the podcasts from a studio room in his own house. If some guest of mine is calling me an asshole and insulting me in my own home, I'm going to be tempted to tell them to GTFO. Milo was doing that, and Rogan didn't bully him at all. He just let him do his thing.

Yeah. Like I said earlier, I only listened for a little while. Just listened to the whole thing last night and neither of them came off well.

Milo was rushing and talking over Joe like he was afraid a hook was about to come from the wings and yank him at any moment. Also, a little bit of that "let's sidestep this discussion for a sec to acknowledge my fabulosity" goes a long way. He overdid that.

Still disagree about Rogan though. He derailed discussions with increasing frequency through the podcast. When they got to talking about religion, he was deliberately misrepresenting what Milo was saying so he could smack it down.

Listen to it again. Milo was saying that Joe was too intelligent to be so crudely dismissive of religion because even if it is a myth, it still tells us something fundamental about what human beings hold dear.

And Rogan kept saying stuff like:

Science disproves it!

Jesus was a zombie!

It was all the result of a mushroom trip!

Inflammatory straw man crap. It was right of Milo to call him out as a dreary nitpicker. Rogan was either trying to Amog a flaming English queer, or he was just too dumb to comprehend the arguments.
 

Slim Shady

 
Banned
Gold Member
RE: Roosh mentioned on the most recent Joe Rogan podcast

Joe Rogan looked dumb when trying to nit-pick about how bad feminists are. Milo looked absolutely hypocritical and silly when it came to religion.
 

NovaVirtu

Kingfisher
Gold Member
RE: Roosh mentioned on the most recent Joe Rogan podcast

I thought it was a fantastic podcast. I've been a regular JRE listener for about 4 years and this was one of the best I've heard.

Yes, I found Rogan's dismissal of Christianity's contributions to the Western worldview and perception of right and wrong was surprisingly crass. I've honestly never heard him talk that harshly about Christianity.

Milo is unafraid to call anyone out and I was very happy that he called out Joe when he needed to be.

Joe seems to be in the firmly in the "we're all one"/psychedelic/transcend-tradtional-religion camp, and surrounds himself with like-minded people (Duncan Trussell, Graham Hancock, etc...) If you listen to the show regularly like I do and get a sense over time of what he really thinks about this, you'll know that this has been for him and long spiritual and intellectual journey to arrive at the opinion he currently holds.

He does not always articulate his views very well and I think he comes off as dumber and more dismissive than he really is. Again, this was unusual.

The problem with this is that it's great if you've been on this journey and have reached some sort of enlightenment by it...but there's 7 billion other people on the planet who haven't taken that path and don't particularly care to.

Religion serves that spiritual need for those other people. It serves a very important sociological purpose and militant atheists fail to see this.
 

Stay

Sparrow
RE: Roosh mentioned on the most recent Joe Rogan podcast

I liked Rogan and Milo. Agreed with most of their points which most of the time they did too. I doubt Milo's sincerity in regards to religion and being gay as a choice. I actually think he states those things just to be provocative.

There was great banter between the 2. Reading this thread beforehand made it seem like they hated each other. Wasn't the case at all there will likely be more podcasts together.

In general agreed more with Rogan when they did disagree other than the nitpicking bit and when he said Bill Maher was gross for the way he described banging black women. I got triggered by the use of that word in that context.
 
RE: Roosh mentioned on the most recent Joe Rogan podcast

I listened to the whole show now.

My respect for Milo has risen and what little I had for Rogan is gone. Rogan is an asshole and the usual mainstream hack with some variations that should supposedly reach men.

Milo talks fast because he is highly intelligent and obviously well connected. His arguments about homosexuality are correct and many men in the ;sphere share them. Homosexuality indeed seems partly designed by hereditary/pregnancy factors and partly external. For example the number of gays is usually twice the number of lesbians. Also almost 50% of gays were sexually abused as children.

Milo was not and has thus a more healthy outlook on sexuality. He is actually more like one of us. He is against the gay lobby, he is against gay marriage, he is certainly against the LGBT pushing, he is opposed to tax money going for gay parades (did not know that was the case, but does not surprise me - probably every Western country pumps millions into promotion of the gay lifestyle). Aside from the fact that he sucks dick he is one of us.

Joe Rogan however is an asshole, who shares some cuckservite viewpoints of "men should just man up" with belligerent militant atheism in combination with the usual thought police (nit-picking, NAWALT, pro gay rights, anti-Christian). Milo was right at calling him out and then that little turd Rogan said: "Oh no - I am not an atheist."

Later he actually points out a barbaric culture and then has the gall to claim that Christianity and religion has no influence on the behaviors and even the laws of a country. Guess what asshole - if you were born in a culture of pagan blood worshippers and cannibals you would find out soon enough how the "laws" of that culture would make you feel.

Also funny that Milo talks about working for climate change NGOs and having been asked to alter data. Heh - there is so much information about it on that front that Breitbart published multiple well-researched articles on the subject.

An example of the media manipulation is Joe Rogan's take on AIDS. Oh - AZT was bad, but the current drugs are much better. And Duesburg being a hateful person? What the fuck - even the discoverer and nobel price laureate of the HIV virus - Luc Montagnier claimed that the HIV virus is present in 50% of all humans and does not cause any harm. There were other nobel price laureates and scientists who claimed the same - as far as I know 3 nobel price laureates and some even who injected themselves with HIV-patients blood to prove that it's a major scam (on camera filmed by TV stations).

Anyway - don't wanna start the debate here again. Don't expect any help from Rogan. If Roosh ever gets invited by him, then he will twist and turn all truths like the mainstream asshole he is. Oh yeah - man up, be masculine, get some tattoos and don't be a pussy. Good advice, but useless for most men growing up introverted, Blue Pill indoctrinated, having lower T-counts, lower IQs and being less good-looking. It's like dating advice by the Rock: "You just walk up to a girl and say hi, wanna fuck, and then she fucks you."
 

Eusebius

Hummingbird
Gold Member
RE: Roosh mentioned on the most recent Joe Rogan podcast

I think Rogan's whole career is based on the fact that he's a physically big guy and that gives him credibility with a certain audience. I haven't ever heard him say anything interesting (stopped listening a long time ago).
 

Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
RE: Roosh mentioned on the most recent Joe Rogan podcast

If Roosh ever gets invited by him, then he will twist and turn all truths like the mainstream asshole he is.

Yeah I don't see Rogan as a true ally. Once in a while he may agree with us.
 

NovaVirtu

Kingfisher
Gold Member
RE: Roosh mentioned on the most recent Joe Rogan podcast

I've been a regular JRE listener for about 4 years now. I really enjoyed this episode. I think Milo is one of the funniest guests he's ever had on.

I think the problem with Rogan is that he lives in a bubble full of MMA guys, celebrities and other high-acheiving, successful people and he isn't exposed to much of the problems discussed on this form. He just doesn't understand how young men are indoctrinated to be pussies because it's completely outside his reality. It's predictable that someone with such a mental paradigm would respond with something like "man the fuck up".

In one of his interviews with Gad Saad, Gad mentions the bizarre new pronouns like "xis" and "here" and Joe just burst out laughing because he couldn't believe it was real.

In this episode, Milo points out that Joe is "drastically underestimating the level of influence these people [SJWs] have".

He simply doesn't get how much the culture has been manipulated SJWs.
 

debeguiled

Peacock
Gold Member
RE: Roosh mentioned on the most recent Joe Rogan podcast

Roosh said:
If Roosh ever gets invited by him, then he will twist and turn all truths like the mainstream asshole he is.

Yeah I don't see Rogan as a true ally. Once in a while he may agree with us.

If he wanted you on his show, would you go?
 
Top