I disagree with the bold part, most don't go beyond, his pitch is carefully calibrated to ensure that they don't.ilostabet said:God works in mysterious ways.
There are many accounts of people coming to Christ through JP - because he is so superficial it actually got the foot in the door for people who wouldn't dare thread deeper initially. And these people usually go way beyond JP - they actually become Christians. I also know some guys that had the basic bitch atheist mindset starting to doubt this, and giving Christianity another look, because of JP. They might be on the way as well to something more.
Has anyone come to Christ through Owen or Vox?
Bear in mind I sympathize with Owen and have expressed it in the past, particularly because of the lifestyle he chose - but I doubt, even adjusting for audience size, he has had such an influence as JP has. And Vox I can imagine him actually turning people away from Christ due to his prideful attitude. He is the classic example of nominal Christian without any charity, which leads people on the outside away from Christianity because of the sheer hypocrisy of his beliefs versus his actions.
It's like that phenomenon when you are starved, you can't gorge on food as long as it's available. You have to go slow or you will just vomit it out. Start with a cracker. JP is a cracker for a western population completely starved of logos. Not many people stay in the JP stage. Most go beyond. But they wouldn't even start the journey without a milder sort to ease them into it.
I see Peterson more like the sport fisherman who is giving the hooked tuna some slack, loosening the fishing line in order to keep it from breaking. The fish will feel free, but he will still be on the hook...
Peterson peddles a hollow, suspect gnostic Christian word salad that's completely devoid of the Christian lifestyle and right message to young men: that they should start families and look to their communities, parishes and nation for support and belonging. He tells instead that their communities are dangerous, and that they should take their Soma pills, keeping them in the atomized individualistic globalist plantation.
As well, Peterson earned his stripes about 5 years ago by going after the trans pronoun problem in academia. Since them, that problem has gotten much worse, with laws now in place criminalizing dissent, whereas in the recent past the risk was mainly about getting blackballed and socially ostracized, it's now officially a criminal offense to "misgender" someone. JP hasn't done much about it, he's stayed on the shallow side of the pool after briefly wading in the deep side 5 years ago.
There actually are a lot of people who have been changed by Owen's stream, not just accepting Christ, but being shown the right lifestyle, leading by example. He did have a definite influence on his admittedly much smaller audience. He doesn't get to go on the BBC or CBC, and can't even book normal venues for a tour. He does turn off people with his ego and personal issues, but overall he's doing Christ's work, and doing it well.