The Jordan Peterson thread

Peterson's ideology has long been unmasked as the radical individualism of the Fabian Society - the wolves in sheep clothing (their real logo - look it up).

But Peterson contrary to some other Fabians actually believes in it. He has been fully indoctrinated in it. Collective social cohesion for everyone except Whites and the West. That bloke is what the elite want you to have on the furthest side on the right - him and Ben Shapiro as well as the ever shifting cuckservatives.

Still - I wish him well, because I don't think that he is very high on the globalist machine ladder. Also I might add - cancer is very often misdiagnosed - in some cancers up to 20-30% (breast cancer for example). So his wife may have had the scare which turned out false - often they manage to blast the person with chemo despite the woman not having cancer. But she will more likely get it then and they get to shore up their crappy stats with all those false positives.

No one should take pleasure in man's suffering. Peterson is certainly not an evil participant in the globalist machine. He is a true believer and has likely scores of mental issues.
 
Lazuli Waves said:
-The ultimate criticism is that he offers parenting advice in his book and presents himself as a father figure, but his daughter is really messed up, and causing harm to his granddaughter. She's a divorced single mom of a 3-sh year old girl who has now chosen to date a pimp/pornographer. That is the man she has chosen to potentially be the father of her daughter.
I had to look this up. So Mikhaela divorced hubby and is now supposedly dating Andrew Tate. If you don't know who Andrew Tate is, he's the latest Christian McQueen look-a-like snake oil salesman selling e-courses on how to making millions on pimping out girls for webcamming.

There's also a massive irony with Andrew Tate bragging up about how many hot women he can get with, only to supposedly get with a divorced single mom. Guess you really can't escape being trash and attracting other trash.

ClownWorld indeed.
 

Sherman

Ostrich
Batman_ said:
Sherman said:
Meditation is not a fad. There have been too many scientific studies now that show its effectiveness. It is here to stay.
I wasn't saying it wasn't effective or well studied. It does work and it's a very powerful tool and force multiplier for your life. But my point was simply that fads tend to ruin things because they become watered down for the masses.

The point I was trying to make was that Peterson was dismissive of meditation, and indicated no knowledge of the latest research.

Peterson was apparently taking a powerful drug to control his anxiety. But the problem with these drugs is they create side effects, so the psychiatrist prescribes another drug to deal with the side effect. But then that drug creates a side effect, and so another drug. These people end up as pill poppers and lose control of their minds. Psychiatry, which is supposedly based on science, doesn’t understand the reaction that can be created by two or more drugs.

Peterson subscribes to the biomedical model, so probably believes that his affliction is biologically based so is no reflection on his philosophy. But, his trip to Russia shows a total repudiation of the US Big Pharma medical model. He realized in the US, he would just get the same drug treatment, one more drug to compensate and it was going to kill him. So he went to Russia to get natural remedies to restore his sanity. But, meditation, which he arrogantly dismissed, is also a natural remedy, which restores the mind to stability using natural processes. I wonder how many of his followers can afford to go to Russia to save them from the system that Peterson supports.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
Why is this piece of shit on Tomassi's show? I don't really know much about Tomassi, other than his association with the "manosphere" douches, but this doesn't reflect well on him. What's his personal situation, does he have a family?

Anyone who thinks that this pimp Tate is anything less than a piece of shit has no right being indignant at Paki grooming gangs in England.
 

Aurini

Ostrich
911 said:
Why is this piece of shit on Tomassi's show? I don't really know much about Tomassi, other than his association with the "manosphere" douches, but this doesn't reflect well on him. What's his personal situation, does he have a family?

Anyone who thinks that this pimp Tate is anything less than a piece of shit has no right being indignant at Paki grooming gangs in England.
My guess? Desperation for relevance. The noose is tightening, the good smooth talkers captured the majority of the audience starting in 2014, and now anybody left at the mid-tier level of e-celeb is scrabbling over table scraps.

This is why I'm glad I got banned from YouTube.
 
911 said:
Anyone who thinks that this pimp Tate is anything less than a piece of shit has no right being indignant at Paki grooming gangs in England.
What did he do? Only thing I know him for was pretending to be a trans-retard on twitter - which some people believed and advocated until it was outed as a prank.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2017/...te-trolls-sjws-claims-hes-shes-a-trans-woman/

Also, I'd dare to conjecture that a herd of foreign predators of a hostile race that abuses children in an European country shouldn't be equalled with a man who (presumably) used some naive and weak-minded women. Unless he's a kid-diddler himself.
 
Aurini said:
911 said:
Why is this piece of shit on Tomassi's show? I don't really know much about Tomassi, other than his association with the "manosphere" douches, but this doesn't reflect well on him. What's his personal situation, does he have a family?

Anyone who thinks that this pimp Tate is anything less than a piece of shit has no right being indignant at Paki grooming gangs in England.
My guess? Desperation for relevance. The noose is tightening, the good smooth talkers captured the majority of the audience starting in 2014, and now anybody left at the mid-tier level of e-celeb is scrabbling over table scraps.

This is why I'm glad I got banned from YouTube.
My guess: the manosphere is becoming less and less relevant as men are understanding manosphere style game is predominantly useful for attracting low quality women.

I know a bunch of men who've read The Rational Male and have come to the conclusion it's very true when you're dealing with low quality women, but his ideas aren't universally applicable.

All you have to do is look around and you can see plenty of women who don't follow a AF/BB approach to men. The problem is that with the internet and 7 billion people, you can find enough data point (enough shitty women) to convince naive young men it is true.

Rollo's theory is the literal opposite of feminism - both are predicated on blowing up a small group of men or women being trash and extrapolating to the entire population. And like feminism, his ideas are dying out as men realize the antagonist approach Rollo advocates isn't working for them (his oh so famous theorem on how for one gender to win, the other has to lose).

As feminism dies out, so does the need for men to also play an antagonist game. As more women (at least the ones young enough) decide they don't want to play the game their elder sisters played, less men need to do the same.

That part of the manosphere will end the way it started - with the only people into it being really scammy dudes like Tate and super loser awkward dudes. Normal people are ejecting left and right.

This is a solid read by Pat Stedman, who has come to the same conclusions I have. I imagine many millenials are doing the same, while Gen X'ers like Rollo remain stuck in their ways:

https://patstedman.com/2019/08/08/defense-of-rollo-tomassi/
 

ilostabet

Pelican
In a sense, JP is just another boomer who failed to be a good father. Intellectuals, historically, have mostly been as well.

Rollo looks is like a 40 year old uncle that forgot he's not 20 anymore.

Tate looks like a low tier pimp - which, apparently, he is.
 

Batman_

Woodpecker
Sherman said:
The point I was trying to make was that Peterson was dismissive of meditation, and indicated no knowledge of the latest research.

Peterson was apparently taking a powerful drug to control his anxiety. But the problem with these drugs is they create side effects, so the psychiatrist prescribes another drug to deal with the side effect. But then that drug creates a side effect, and so another drug. These people end up as pill poppers and lose control of their minds. Psychiatry, which is supposedly based on science, doesn’t understand the reaction that can be created by two or more drugs.

Peterson subscribes to the biomedical model, so probably believes that his affliction is biologically based so is no reflection on his philosophy. But, his trip to Russia shows a total repudiation of the US Big Pharma medical model. He realized in the US, he would just get the same drug treatment, one more drug to compensate and it was going to kill him. So he went to Russia to get natural remedies to restore his sanity. But, meditation, which he arrogantly dismissed, is also a natural remedy, which restores the mind to stability using natural processes. I wonder how many of his followers can afford to go to Russia to save them from the system that Peterson supports.
Peterson definitely has a VERY western mind, I've seen basically zero influence from eastern philosophy in general. I always got the idea that he was constantly constantly lost in thought, and taking his thoughts too seriously, which for many people results in them "getting in their own way".

On the subject of psychiatry, most of them have a very superficial knowledge of psychopharmacology and neurophysiology in general. They're absolutely worthless imo.
 
In regards to Peterson, he seems to be no different than a lot of highly educated and highly gullible liberal "intellectuals" that existed in the West in the past two centuries and have mostly subscribed to fantasies. Once again I'll bring up Revilo P. Oliver, whose works I highly recommend, and whose perceptions from 1950-60's accurately describe some aspects visible in our current times, at some points startlingly. Emphases are mine.

As we all know now, the International Communist Conspiracy, coordinating the efforts of its divisional headquarters in New York, Washington, and Moscow, used your money to install in Cuba, in January, 1959, a notorious Communist agent named Fidel Castro, and started to work immediately to install military and naval bases, including submarine pens and ballistic missiles, 90 miles from our shores. Of course, the Conspiracy through its various outlets, such as the *New York Times* and other lie-papers, poured out hogwash about "agrarian reformers" and "the George Washington of Cuba." And it was only to be expected that our "intellectuals" who had swallowed exactly the same swill a few years before when the United States delivered China to the Communist Conspiracy, lapped it up again with relish.

Now, I am not complaining about that. It is true that there was no possible doubt about the fact that Castro was a Communist agent carrying out a Communist operation: In a speech which some of you may have heard, it takes me a full hour to give a condensed résumé of the evidence that was available to everyone before 1959—all of it on the public record and some of it in the files of every large newspaper—which proved, beyond all peradventure of doubt, that Castro and all of his lieutenants were Bolsheviks. But I not going to say that our "liberals" should have looked at the evidence. As we all know, "intellectuals" are equipped with oversize brains that perpetually fizz with "social ideals," so perhaps it would not be fair to expect them to find out what they are talking about.

As soon as Castro came to power in Cuba, Mr. Robert Welch and Dr. J.B. Mathews in the pages of *American Opinion*, and, if you will pardon me for mentioning, I, in speeches before the Daughters of the American Revolution and other organizations, pointed out the obvious facts about Castro and the Soviet takeover of Cuba. And you may remember how the "liberal intellectuals" began to shriek and spit at us. But I am not complaining about that. We all know that "intellectuals" have mighty minds capable of remembering the phrases that the Communists teach them, and so, whenever they are disturbed by facts, they naturally start shrieking "reactionary," "Fascist," "right-wing extremist," "racist," and the like. And one shouldn't mind their spitting.

[...]

During the summer and autumn of 1961 the Communists subsidiary called "Fair Play for Cuba," which, of course, had been thoroughly exposed as a Communist front by that time, sent up smoke-screens for Comrade Fidel on a national scale, using, of course, a great many "liberal intellectuals" in the faculties of our colleges and universities. Those persons went on record publicly as endorsing Castro, guaranteeing that he was a sweet and lovely "democrat" and "social reformer," and even demanding in some cases that he be given a pipe-line direct to the Treasury in Washington. As I say, these people went on record publicly, signing manifestos and inserting full-page advertisements in newspapers. In some universities, as many as 300 individuals connected with the faculty or administration went on record in that way. The total throughout the country must be several thousand.

Now undoubtedly the organizers of those manifestos and some of the signers knew very well what they were doing. They said to one another, "We have got to keep those American boobs quiet until the Soviet bases are all completed; as soon as that is done, we'll say "Oops, they's Communists after all in Cuba," and we'll run out and scare the boobs by yelling "atomic holocaust," "annihilation of mankind," "negotiated peace," "better red than dead".
- Can 'Liberals' Be Educated? (Text of an address to the assembled Citizens' Councils of America in Chattanooga early in 1966)

Replace a few phrases, and the whole text is on point. The entirety of it can be found here.
https://mega.nz/#F!BGpDxQZR!nML6GBQ2DJPbqESkc8ZCtQ?dH5TkCgK
 
Aurini said:
911 said:
Why is this piece of shit on Tomassi's show? I don't really know much about Tomassi, other than his association with the "manosphere" douches, but this doesn't reflect well on him. What's his personal situation, does he have a family?

Anyone who thinks that this pimp Tate is anything less than a piece of shit has no right being indignant at Paki grooming gangs in England.
My guess? Desperation for relevance. The noose is tightening, the good smooth talkers captured the majority of the audience starting in 2014, and now anybody left at the mid-tier level of e-celeb is scrabbling over table scraps.

This is why I'm glad I got banned from YouTube.
What's the issue with Tate?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Tate

He looks like an actual pro-fighter.

What the bloody hell have the Pakistani grooming gangs in common with him? There was a stupid controversy during Big Brother where the feminist-Bolshevik BBC cut some consentual stuff against him from what I know.

No reason to become nosebleeding puritan virgins everywhere or accuse men of misogyny and abuse.

I think people mistake him for someone else. That women contact him and visit him like JP's daughter is irrelevant.
 
Genghis Khan said:
Aurini said:
911 said:
Why is this piece of shit on Tomassi's show? I don't really know much about Tomassi, other than his association with the "manosphere" douches, but this doesn't reflect well on him. What's his personal situation, does he have a family?

Anyone who thinks that this pimp Tate is anything less than a piece of shit has no right being indignant at Paki grooming gangs in England.
My guess? Desperation for relevance. The noose is tightening, the good smooth talkers captured the majority of the audience starting in 2014, and now anybody left at the mid-tier level of e-celeb is scrabbling over table scraps.

This is why I'm glad I got banned from YouTube.
My guess: the manosphere is becoming less and less relevant as men are understanding manosphere style game is predominantly useful for attracting low quality women.

I know a bunch of men who've read The Rational Male and have come to the conclusion it's very true when you're dealing with low quality women, but his ideas aren't universally applicable.

All you have to do is look around and you can see plenty of women who don't follow a AF/BB approach to men. The problem is that with the internet and 7 billion people, you can find enough data point (enough shitty women) to convince naive young men it is true.

Rollo's theory is the literal opposite of feminism - both are predicated on blowing up a small group of men or women being trash and extrapolating to the entire population. And like feminism, his ideas are dying out as men realize the antagonist approach Rollo advocates isn't working for them (his oh so famous theorem on how for one gender to win, the other has to lose).

As feminism dies out, so does the need for men to also play an antagonist game. As more women (at least the ones young enough) decide they don't want to play the game their elder sisters played, less men need to do the same.

That part of the manosphere will end the way it started - with the only people into it being really scammy dudes like Tate and super loser awkward dudes. Normal people are ejecting left and right.

This is a solid read by Pat Stedman, who has come to the same conclusions I have. I imagine many millenials are doing the same, while Gen X'ers like Rollo remain stuck in their ways:

https://patstedman.com/2019/08/08/defense-of-rollo-tomassi/
Nothing about the Manosphere wisdom is in any way different to what Roosh has been saying. What the bloody hell is dying? There are still the majority of men out there who are utterly Blue Pilled. That won't be going away.

Of course to any Red Piller the concepts are nothing new and you don't have to refresh. Game is still a reality and can be applied even if you have goals of wanting to look for the best wife out there.

But the precepts at sites like Rational Male are not about any outliers - they are about the sexual market of everybody. Making the best out of yourself will also help you in finding the best wife if that is your goal - even that cleaner purer dating market follows the same actual physical-material guidelines.

I wonder really what this anti-Red-Pill and anti-Manosphere or even anti-Game blabbering comes from. EVen if you have a change of heart towards religion, then this does not negate anything else. It does not invalidate jack shit about what has been said.

The Manosphere is not done at all, it will continue to Red Pill millions of men out there until it becomes common knowledge and some men are specialized and teach it in future psychology or sociology classes. That is still a long way off frankly. I predict that men will still be surprised at finding out how women work in the year 2060 and they will be grateful that this exists.

This spitting on everything that was is insane. Even religious men like Dalrock have validated the knowledge of other manosphere guys - they have even learned from PUAs even if all they gamed were their wives and tried to combine Christianity with the patriarchal spirit and dominant masculine mindset.

I just took a look at the link you posted. Are you serious? That bloke is still part of the 21convention. They invited full-on Blue Pillers and bloody sex-robot proponents. There were even furries there who proposed a different lifestyle. Everyone who had some balls left that idiotic convention and you are posting here content produced by guys who are at best Purble or even Blue Pill light.

I barely keep up with them, but when I took a look at what was trasnpiring there I knew that it was a bunch of tards - if you look at that blog-post it's riddled with cult-like terms like low vibration women or second tier relationships like he is inventing a rule-book for life. The 21convention has become nothing more than a grift and you can see how the "heretics" were mostly high-T masculine men while the remainers were some wet towels - you could see that even with an ocular test.

Whatever....
 
Simeon_Strangelight said:
Zelcorpion with his finest nonsense.
You are the biggest bullshitter this forum has been unfortunate to experience. A basement-dwelling loser who spouts nonsense on every single topic, yet is not an expert in anything.

You get away with a lot because you talk with absolute confidence, which would be admirable if you weren't so consistently wrong about everything.

Ultimately you're a loser through and through. A dude who has accomplished nothing. It's astonishing to me you haven't been called out yet.

Keep at it though, keep pretending the manosphere isn't dying at an increasingly rapid clip and losing its relevance. I guess you have to, since you really don't have anything else going on besides being a part of the manosphere.
 
Now it's obviously personal attacks to what it resorts to. I simply voiced my disagreement over the idiotic 21convention and where it went to. The term manosphere may even die, but the Red Pill wisdom there won't.

I see that you not only happily defend veganism, but now Blue Pill and a masculine convention that has invited men who advocated for sex-robots.

Now you are using clear insults calling me a basement dwelling loser. Your wisdom of course is infinite and impressive. I am not even anyone in the manosphere, what are you blabbering about? I just shitpost here on the forum as a hobby and learn some things while working. I don't have a blog, don't have a channel and I don't even read "manosphere" stuff because it's sufficient to know about the Red Pill as well as Game. There is no need to stay updated since the knowledge is the same as in 1750.
 
Simeon_Strangelight said:
Now it's obviously personal attacks to what it resorts to. I simply voiced my disagreement over the idiotic 21convention and where it went to. The term manosphere may even die, but the Red Pill wisdom there won't.

I see that you not only happily defend veganism, but now Blue Pill and a masculine convention that has invited men who advocated for sex-robots.

Now you are using clear insults calling me a basement dwelling loser. Your wisdom of course is infinite and impressive. I am not even anyone in the manosphere, what are you blabbering about? I just shitpost here on the forum as a hobby and learn some things while working. I don't have a blog, don't have a channel and I don't even read "manosphere" stuff because it's sufficient to know about the Red Pill as well as Game. There is no need to stay updated since the knowledge is the same as in 1750.
where did I defend 21 convention? All I said was Stedman made a good argument about Rollo.

By the way, my critique of you isn't solely due to this thread. You've been fouling up the entire forum with your nonsense for years now.

Right, a hobby...20,000 posts in 6 years, that's ~10 posts/day. That's not a hobby, that's a sign of someone who has no life.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
Simeon_Strangelight said:
Aurini said:
911 said:
Why is this piece of shit on Tomassi's show? I don't really know much about Tomassi, other than his association with the "manosphere" douches, but this doesn't reflect well on him. What's his personal situation, does he have a family?

Anyone who thinks that this pimp Tate is anything less than a piece of shit has no right being indignant at Paki grooming gangs in England.
My guess? Desperation for relevance. The noose is tightening, the good smooth talkers captured the majority of the audience starting in 2014, and now anybody left at the mid-tier level of e-celeb is scrabbling over table scraps.

This is why I'm glad I got banned from YouTube.
What's the issue with Tate?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Tate

He looks like an actual pro-fighter.

What the bloody hell have the Pakistani grooming gangs in common with him? There was a stupid controversy during Big Brother where the feminist-Bolshevik BBC cut some consentual stuff against him from what I know.

No reason to become nosebleeding puritan virgins everywhere or accuse men of misogyny and abuse.

I think people mistake him for someone else. That women contact him and visit him like JP's daughter is irrelevant.

Tate is a cyber pimp and a pornographer who is making money off EE young women.

If you have any semblance of a moral compass you wouldn't defend him.
 
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