The Jordan Peterson thread

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
A massive chunk of the manosphere becomes irrelevant the moment you substitute:
[A billion man hours of research and development on how to handle/bang shitty women]
with:
[don't involve yourself with shitty women].

The vast majority of men throughout history have managed women and marriages without the internet much less the manosphere. If you collated the latter in it's entirety then finding the positive stuff would be like sifting through a septic tank to find corn.
 

gework

Ostrich
Gold Member
For anyone who didn't see it Andrew Tate does vaguely intimate that he pump and dumped Mikhayla, after she messaged him online and flew out to Romania to meet him.

Molyneux just did an interview with Tate's brother. Very candid insight into the world of running cam shows. Though I can't see what his MO for doing it is.


Again the odd link between sex world and family world. Meanwhile the left can't have a black and and a white feminist in the same room.
 

Batman_

Woodpecker
Oberrheiner said:
Aurini said:
The manosphere is dead, and has been replaced with the 21 Convention.
What's that if I may ask ?
As far as I can tell, it's a self help/self development program that charges exorbitant fees to teach people what basically amounts to common sense and recycled information. Seems like these self development programs are everywhere now, I'm pretty certain most of them are literally worthless or flat out deceptive.
 

Easy_C

Crow
Leonard D Neubache said:
A massive chunk of the manosphere becomes irrelevant the moment you substitute:
[A billion man hours of research and development on how to handle/bang shitty women]
with:
[don't involve yourself with shitty women].

The vast majority of men throughout history have managed women and marriages without the internet much less the manosphere. If you collated the latter in it's entirety then finding the positive stuff would be like sifting through a septic tank to find corn.
Bingo.



Let me make one important counterpoint: I think learning how to operate at clubs as a huge part of being a well rounded social being. It doesn't matter whether you're at a corporate employer or as an entrepeneur or even government. You need to be able to present yourself as a fun, entertaining guy in social environments.

For me I think the single most knowledgeable guru was Player Supreme because he spoke much more candid about things, understood how to spot the problem underlying behavior that impairs people socially, and gave real advice that's closer to how people actually think. His "eye contact" rule is invaluable and once you understand the principle of it then it's not hard. He also had great conversation skills advice.

TLDR: Don't chase women who aren't proving they're into you starting from the moment you make eye contact

So absolutely go out and use clubs for practice. Just don't bring any of the girls home. There are a FEW useful bits from Pickup Artist stuff as well that pertain to social skills. For example, the easiest places to fuck up a conversation are at the beginning and the end so understanding the "opener" and "closer" are important skills for a newbie.

Most of the rest is bullshit. Especially the "AMOG" stuff which is a good way to get your ass kicked by someone who isn't a poser.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
That tweet is more of a sympathetic take, saying that difficult daughters give dads headaches.

The more we have pieces of Peterson's saga, the greater the likelihood of a darker family history. his daughter was constantly drugged up growing up, for some mysterious ailment, and now we hear his daughter talking about mysteriously rare condition of his dad. Also mentioned that her mother had terminal cancer but was miraculously cured. That's the kind of detail that puts a lot of doubt on the whole narrative, when people lie they often give it away by using this kind of extreme detail. This is a family of drug addicts, so they are habitual liars.

I don't know any father or family that's as fucked up as his, his daughter is such a disaster it's almost a cliché: early 20s single mom e-thot financing herself with a crappy meat eater thirsty simps fan club while her dad is growing a mid 8 figure fortune (WTF!), hooking up with trashy gamma B celebs like that guy Tate.

The very least you can say about Peterson is that he is a total disaster as a father raising his daughter.

Not much sympathy from my part because Peterson is a liar and a hypocrite, basically a golobohomo zionist plastered all over the MSM, who;s worked and been launched by figures like Ballisllie and posing as a maverick.



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and as a reminder to those who haven't read the thread, or are forgetting salient details, here's a very thorough and sharp recap from the excellent Winter Watch site:

https://www.winterwatch.net/2019/02/jordan-peterson-is-a-slick-promoted-globalist-judas-goat/

Jordan Peterson is a Slick, Promoted, Globalist Judas Goat

February 21, 2019
Thomas Müller

Over a year ago, we ran an article on Dr. Jordan Peterson’s method in obliterating Social Justice Warrior (SJW) mentality. At the time, we took fawning lessons from Peterson’s personal skills in debate and rhetoric. There is no question that he has charisma and manly swagger, duly noted. He’s highly intelligent and masterful at defeating the shallow and hypocritical rhetoric of SJWs. This was his appeal early on and gained him a large following. He sold boatloads of self-help books and made a lot of money for himself on the speaking tours. We also began to notice afterwards that the system was heavily promoting him.
Jordan Peterson in Little League dominating SJWs

Although we have no quarrel with “sage advice,” such as encouraging young men to clean up their rooms and assume responsibility, such tomes really shouldn’t propel Peterson to guru status. Nor should teeing off on SJW soft tosses, which is a common tactic and distraction of the Kosher Alt-Right (aka Alt-Lite) and MAGA movement.

We wish such a talented persona was on the side of right, but sadly he’s not. Since our article, we’ve discovered just how problematic he really is.

On a personal level, he pushes a false message of “radical individualism” (aka personal liberation) as an atomized strategy to keep white men and women from connecting or bonding well with their natural community. He also takes cheap shots at Europeans for attempting to resist the Kalergi Plan.

When given a major platform by the Lugenpresse, he used it right away as an opportunity to condemn the “It’s O.K. to be White” flyer as racist identity politics. This scam is known as “psycho-pathologizing.” And it’s just got worse.

Next up for Peterson during a busy 2018 was a trip to Slovenia to hang out with his cronies at the Trilateral Commission.

He constantly spouts globalist/anti-nationalist messages. In fact, he calls nationalism “reprehensible.” Mostly, he has played a role in moving the Overton Window in the wrong direction and shutting out voices defending ethnic or racial awareness or identity, calling them the code word “supremacists or tribal.” And at the same time, he takes aim at resurgent nationalist and pro-ethnic sentiment that has centuries of evolutionary, cultural and biological basis. He calls it “regressing.”

Yet, he gives a complete pass to the Judiacs — the No. 1 supremacist “chosen people” in the world, with real social, political and economic power. He even wrote a puff piece acknowledging Jewish power and influence but hypocritically attributes it solely to “superiority” and “how smart they are.”

Digging deeper, it appears Peterson also has ties to hardcore Zionist organizations. He was a keynote speaker with Kosher Alt-Right operative Ezra Levant at an event put on by “Canadians for Balfour 100,” during which he gave another fluff speech about how wonderful Jews are and how everyone is envious of Israel. This organization has direct ties to B’Nai Brith and a host of other Canadian and international Zionist organizations.

And what is this wall covering all about? Would any self-respecting person put that up? All of this strikes us as bad faith all the way around.
Lenin and Trotsky on stage.

While nationalism for Israel is great to Judas Goat Peterson as he rolls in the dough, he shows his hypocrisy by postulating that nationalism for western countries is about “superiority.” Wrong. For the folks at Winter Watch, nationalism is mostly about preservation, sovereignty, credible survival, defense and basic rights. We see the white race generally as under attack, and as being in increasingly bad shape. Therefore, we are not about running victory laps and doing high fives or calling ourselves “superior.” Hardly. It’s more about putting thumbs in the leaking dam and trying to get back onto a positive trajectory, a grave and serious threat.

Peterson is not part of the solution. He’s anything but. Furthermore, we believe whites — especially in the U.S. — should form alliances with blacks around key issues, like neocon Zionist warmongering. Data and polls show blacks as the most anti-war group in the country. Has Peterson said one word about warmongering and weaponized migration from war-torn regions? To use one of Peterson’s favorite exclamations,- “No”!

When things get really tough and the Crime Syndicate predators are on the loose, ethnicity gives a people a fallback bastion and support system. It’s the main reason the Scots fared better than the Irish in the 1845-1849 famine. The Scots had a blood-and-soil (and TRUST) based clan hierarchy. Chiefs would (and did) go bankrupt before letting their third, fourth and fifth cousins die of starvation. Conversely, the Irish were preyed upon and their food looted and shipped out by the internationalists and absentee bankster-backed land owners.

The same thing happened to the Chinese in the 19th century as a weakened national position opened them up to the opium Crime Syndicate. Without protective nationalism, any people might as well just bend over and spread ’em for the plutocrats- literally.
Read “Britain’s Genocidal Starvation of the Irish — or So-Called ‘Potato Famine’ — and Brave Resistance of Nationalist John Mitchel”

More Ties to the Usual Suspects

In the following clip, the end game of Peterson and his friends is laid bare. At minute 00:29:32, he talks about how rich he has become running his shtick. This video (“Jordan Peterson Dismantled”) in it entirety, by the excellent new site Resurrection Europa, is a litany about what this decidedly nasty player is really all about.

If you go a little deeper into Peterson’s background, you’ll see his association with Jim Balsillie, former CEO of Blackberry’s Research in Motion. They worked on something called Resilient People, Resilient Planet. Balsillie awarded George Soros with the CIC Globalist of the Year award on Nov. 15, 2010, in Toronto, Canada. The CIGI (Centre for International Governance Innovation) globalism school in Kitchener/Waterloo, Canada, is run by Jim Balsillie.

Peterson was put in place by his spawn-producing think-tank mentors on a U.N. panel that produced a document that is essentially a NWO blueprint. This document was later built upon and referenced by a U.N. panel that John Podesta sat on called The United Nations High-Level Panel of Eminent Persons on the Post-2015 Development Agenda.

Jewish psychologist Norman Doidge, who’s a colleague and personal friend of Peterson and with whom he sometimes gives talks, wrote the foreword to Peterson’s new book “12 Rules for Life.” Dodge also comes out of the CIGI network. In the book foreword, Doidge wrote that a Jewish TV producer named Wodek Szemberg, who was “always on the lookout for potential public intellectuals,” met Peterson in 2004. Szemberg worked at TV Ontario producing a show called “The Agenda,” and it was also involved with CIGI. Suffices to say, Peterson as a made man had help- lots of it.

He did his post-doctoral work under Maurice Dongier. Dongier obtained his degree in psychiatry in 1954 at McGill University, training at the Allan Memorial Institute. The Allan Memorial Institute was founded and directed by Donald Ewen Cameron, who was contracted by the CIA to conduct MKUltra mind control experiments at McGill between the years 1957 and 1964. After completing his post-doc, Peterson then went on to teach at Harvard for five years, taking up Timothy Leary’s old position. Quite a pedigree there, Ace.
 

gework

Ostrich
Gold Member
These people are a victim of their own system. Like liberals Jews, they drank their own kool aid and are on the cutting edge of disappearing.

One thing I noticed in MP's video is she said something like, "We had to go to Russia because we were desperate." They live in Canada for Pete's sake.

Looks like the meat money is drying up.



What kind of daughter takes four years to trust a man (who is obviously beta bucks); yet chats up a fist-clench-photo-pose supremo and cam girl operator on IG and flys out to meet him?
 
Regarding the Communist art in his house, it makes no sense.

I remember listening to him at length about the Gulag Archipelago and the horrors that resulted from the Bolshevik revolution.

Why on earth would you then put up paintings in your house displaying the ones who commanded these horrors?
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Some people torture themselves. I think they have bad thoughts so routinely that they try pick and choose what bad thoughts they have by surrounding themselves with things they hate yet which are manageable for them.

My first thought when I found out about that was "ahh, see, he's a fraud" but then if so he wouldn't have allowed the outside world a glimpse into his real inner workings or at best he would have been more subtle about it.

So when he says "it's to remind me of the horrible things the communists did" then taking into account how clearly tortured the man is I actually believe him. I think he fills his world with his chosen nightmares, which for many is a coping mechanism, especially if it hides a (((greater and more painful truth))) that they simply cannot broach in their weakened mental state.

Hence he can talk all day about Gulag Archipelago but not 200 Years Together.
 

Aboulia

Robin
Leonard D Neubache said:
Some people torture themselves. I think they have bad thoughts so routinely that they try pick and choose what bad thoughts they have by surrounding themselves with things they hate yet which are manageable for them.

My first thought when I found out about that was "ahh, see, he's a fraud" but then if so he wouldn't have allowed the outside world a glimpse into his real inner workings or at best he would have been more subtle about it.

So when he says "it's to remind me of the horrible things the communists did" then taking into account how clearly tortured the man is I actually believe him. I think he fills his world with his chosen nightmares, which for many is a coping mechanism, especially if it hides a (((greater and more painful truth))) that they simply cannot broach in their weakened mental state.
If he really wanted to have reminders of the horrible things done in the past, why doesn't he have artwork from Nazi Germany plastered all over his walls?

Maurice Ravel said:
Regarding the Communist art in his house, it makes no sense.

I remember listening to him at length about the Gulag Archipelago and the horrors that resulted from the Bolshevik revolution.

Why on earth would you then put up paintings in your house displaying the ones who commanded these horrors?
It only makes no sense if you expect him to be consistent and coherent.

Communism often preached about the plight of the proletariat, and condemned the bourgoisie. But when the Communists came to power, they didn't do a single thing for the workers, and did nothing but destroy the social fabric of the country. How can this be? If you understand that once Marxism was put in practice, the word "proletariat" described people like Wall Street banker Jacob Schiff, and Leon Trotsky, the bourgoisie become people that they don't like. It's a manipulation of language. It's why the hammer and scythe is used in the communist flag. A tool of blunt force, and a separation of heaven and earth (words separated from their original context).

As far as I can see, JP is one who has promoted this satanic system we have over us, call it communism/post modernism/globalism, his mental gymnastics to avoid any criticism of Jews whatsoever is evidence of this.

And to be clear, I say satanic, not in a vague undefinable term, but Satanism is what is directly opposed to the natural order of things. The Christian God is the God of the living. The living, organic, community. Satan, therefore is the God of the dead. (matter,ideas,technology) Matter without breath(spirit) is dead.

For example, He advocates radical individualism, when in the real world, there's no such thing as an individual. Individuals are rootless, they don't have a history, family, or personality, and therefore don't exist. Persons exist, individuals don't.

He condemns ideologues while being an idealogue himself.
He advocates telling the truth, while openly accepting a biased view of history
He advocates sorting yourself out, while burying his problems with drugs.
 

doc holliday

Pelican
Gold Member
debeguiled said:
GK, you are one of my favorite posters. Please don't get banned.
Banned for what, criticizing Simeon? Is that some new rule that I missed? I didn't realize he was above reproach. I think GK's criticism are spot on and indicative of the cults of personality that have infected the so called Manosphere.

911 is correct too, Cobra tate is a total douchebag. All these guys like Rollo, Tate etc are just grifters preying on vulnerable men and finally, guys are catching on to these frauds.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Aboulia said:
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If he really wanted to have reminders of the horrible things done in the past, why doesn't he have artwork from Nazi Germany plastered all over his walls?
...
Because the Nazis are dead and gone while the communists are very much alive and active. Only low-IQ Boomers and the retards on the Left are still obsessed with the Nazis.
 
He is dishonest about the JQ, he denies the divinity of Christ, and for that he deserves to be criticized.

But there is a good side to him too, like this concept for example. It now seems obvious to me but it was not the case just a few years ago...

 

ilostabet

Pelican
Forget about answers, people were just taken aback by someone asking questions. He put a lot of people asking a lot of important question they hadn't before. You get the intellectuals you deserve.
 
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