The Jordan Peterson thread

NoMoreTO

Pelican
Peterson stepped into territory he really shouldn't have with that Bible series. As JBP is someone who couldn't clearly answer whether he believed in God, (which to me indicated he didn't) then to have such a series was perhaps putting God to the test. To preach the Bible as a piece of evolutionary psychology is an abomination, nevermind an insult to the Christian Western Culture he purports to represent.

I can't speak for whether Peterson has changed towards God and will come forward as a Christian. I agree with Leonard that it would help, but also that quiet time to strengthen would be needed. Still, Roosh is a early middle aged man swearing off his youth, vs. Peterson is an older man who would have to swear off his whole lifes' work. Obviously this isn't in anyway impossible but its a bigger swing for an older guy.

I think of the difficulty of Jesus Christ bringing the sword, and dividing us against our own families, giving our loyalty to God first. Will Peterson's daughter be coming along with him on this journey? I see a mature man with secular children would particularly struggle with this reality. He didn't raise his kids Christian, and now if he becomes one, he will be in a way separated from them. I think this might be as difficult as his supposed ego.

Still it has happened before and will happen again. God knows. I hope that he finds his path with God, whether he is public about it or not. Perhaps he is finally taking the time to read that Bible. (And 200 years together)
 
Leonard D Neubache said:
You have no idea what God's plan is for Peterson.

When Roosh came to God he didn't walk out on his podcasting and the forum. He had the humility to continue on and provide an example to the rest of us. There is immense value in seeing pubic figures in the infancy of their journey to God. I helps us understand that for everyone no matter how wealthy or famous, the journey has to start in the same place. If Peterson simply fades away then it will be a missed opportunity. For someone like him to say "I was wrong on God" would be immense. That doesn't mean he has to immediately start running seminars on the topic. The value is there simply by someone who is a highly respected academic turning toward's God's divine grace.

There will be many appealing to false pride that he should cower shamefully in the dark while repenting his heresies, as if any Christian must train in secret until they reach a level worthy of proclaiming themselves redeemed through Christ. Those appealing to Pride and it's ugly brother Shame should be put on mute and ignored.
You're right in that yes, God can do whatever he wants with Jordan Peterson. But God also did give humans reason, and as E. Michael Jones says, God operates along the highest reason -- logos. We can still use our understanding of reason to make predictions about people's religious futures -- I don't believe that is blasphemous. I want Jordan Peterson to repent and kneel before God just as much as you do. But I still don't think he will.

Roosh and Jordan Peterson are fundamentally different. Roosh had always seeked the truth, even when it was hard. Being called the 'rape king' wasn't fun -- he was slandered across the western world as a mysoginist and rape advocate for a while. But he never backed down. He always sought the truth. This is why he eventually took the God pill -- it was just the natural conclusion to the Red Pill line of reasoning -- as it is the natural conclusion to any true line of reasoning.

Jordan Peterson is a different story. He was a shill from the start. I highly recommend Vox Day's Jordanetics. The guy does not seek truth in itself -- the truth is a means to an end for Peterson; an end that includes book deals and whatever drugs he's hooked on. He said a few true things that got him controversy enough to get into the media limelight, like at the Kathy Newman interview, but at the end of the day he's just a gatekeeper. He kicked out Faith Goldy from his event, he claimed Kavenaugh should step down if elected, he is now trying to make Christianity something purely metaphorical -- I don't know what else to say about the guy but that that he will lead you down the wrong path.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
SubversiveSquare said:
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Jordan Peterson is a different story. He was a shill from the start. I highly recommend Vox Day's Jordanetics. The guy does not seek truth in itself -- the truth is a means to an end for Peterson; an end that includes book deals and whatever drugs he's hooked on. He said a few true things that got him controversy enough to get into the media limelight, like at the Kathy Newman interview, but at the end of the day he's just a gatekeeper. He kicked out Faith Goldy from his event, he claimed Kavenaugh should step down if elected, he is now trying to make Christianity something purely metaphorical -- I don't know what else to say about the guy but that that he will lead you down the wrong path.
I haven't seen him pushing any of his old lines in the last few weeks but according to you, you are able to predict his future and damn him accordingly.

I was never a follower of Peterson, either before or after I accepted Christ's offer of salvation. I will continue to hope for Peterson to step away from his past dogma and towards redemption. Pre-damning him based on his past is not only at odds with Christianity but simply uncharitable and counter-productive in a general sense.

Such as he was given the power to lead people astray he still possesses the power to call them to God. Nothing is gained by discrediting that as a possibility or presuming his spiritual failure.
 

ilostabet

Pelican
I posted in the God pill thread earlier that a friend of mine has just been turned to Christ. I will mention here that the original disdain he had for the Bible and Christianity was, at least in part, lifted through his exposure to Jordan Peterson.

About two years ago he came across his videos. He didn't stay there. He was very excited by the man's words during 6 months and then moved on to other people. He never even mentioned him again after that time, that I recall.

Now he has accepted Christ. I made a post earlier in this thread about this exact journey.

God works in mysterious ways.

There are many accounts of people coming to Christ through JP - because he is so superficial it actually got the foot in the door for people who wouldn't dare thread deeper initially. And these people usually go way beyond JP - they actually become Christians. I also know some guys that had the basic bitch atheist mindset starting to doubt this, and giving Christianity another look, because of JP. They might be on the way as well to something more.

Has anyone come to Christ through Owen or Vox?

Bear in mind I sympathize with Owen and have expressed it in the past, particularly because of the lifestyle he chose - but I doubt, even adjusting for audience size, he has had such an influence as JP has. And Vox I can imagine him actually turning people away from Christ due to his prideful attitude. He is the classic example of nominal Christian without any charity, which leads people on the outside away from Christianity because of the sheer hypocrisy of his beliefs versus his actions.

It's like that phenomenon when you are starved, you can't gorge on food as long as it's available. You have to go slow or you will just vomit it out. Start with a cracker. JP is a cracker for a western population completely starved of logos. Not many people stay in the JP stage. Most go beyond. But they wouldn't even start the journey without a milder sort to ease them into it.
 
You have to be smart to get into JP but you have to be wise to see his deceptions and move past it or you'll remain a hedonistic libertarian only with a clean room.

Someone should post that photo of him at dinner with exclusively "chosen" ones, says enough. Shabbos goy #1.

Having said that, he offers an accessible entrance to conservatism that I'm not sure would exist with his absence. The first (lobster) chapter was good in his 12 rules book, the rest was pedantic.
 

Pinch

Sparrow
SubversiveSquare said:
Leonard D Neubache said:
You have no idea what God's plan is for Peterson.

When Roosh came to God he didn't walk out on his podcasting and the forum. He had the humility to continue on and provide an example to the rest of us. There is immense value in seeing pubic figures in the infancy of their journey to God. I helps us understand that for everyone no matter how wealthy or famous, the journey has to start in the same place. If Peterson simply fades away then it will be a missed opportunity. For someone like him to say "I was wrong on God" would be immense. That doesn't mean he has to immediately start running seminars on the topic. The value is there simply by someone who is a highly respected academic turning toward's God's divine grace.

There will be many appealing to false pride that he should cower shamefully in the dark while repenting his heresies, as if any Christian must train in secret until they reach a level worthy of proclaiming themselves redeemed through Christ. Those appealing to Pride and it's ugly brother Shame should be put on mute and ignored.
You're right in that yes, God can do whatever he wants with Jordan Peterson. But God also did give humans reason, and as E. Michael Jones says, God operates along the highest reason -- logos. We can still use our understanding of reason to make predictions about people's religious futures -- I don't believe that is blasphemous. I want Jordan Peterson to repent and kneel before God just as much as you do. But I still don't think he will.

Roosh and Jordan Peterson are fundamentally different. Roosh had always seeked the truth, even when it was hard. Being called the 'rape king' wasn't fun -- he was slandered across the western world as a mysoginist and rape advocate for a while. But he never backed down. He always sought the truth. This is why he eventually took the God pill -- it was just the natural conclusion to the Red Pill line of reasoning -- as it is the natural conclusion to any true line of reasoning.

Jordan Peterson is a different story. He was a shill from the start. I highly recommend Vox Day's Jordanetics. The guy does not seek truth in itself -- the truth is a means to an end for Peterson; an end that includes book deals and whatever drugs he's hooked on. He said a few true things that got him controversy enough to get into the media limelight, like at the Kathy Newman interview, but at the end of the day he's just a gatekeeper. He kicked out Faith Goldy from his event, he claimed Kavenaugh should step down if elected, he is now trying to make Christianity something purely metaphorical -- I don't know what else to say about the guy but that that he will lead you down the wrong path.

The truth is that Jordan Peterson has undoubtedly inspired and helped guide more people closer to the doorstep of Christianity with his "metaphors" than you or Vox Day, ever will have in a lifetime..
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
Pinch said:
SubversiveSquare said:
Leonard D Neubache said:
You have no idea what God's plan is for Peterson.

When Roosh came to God he didn't walk out on his podcasting and the forum. He had the humility to continue on and provide an example to the rest of us. There is immense value in seeing pubic figures in the infancy of their journey to God. I helps us understand that for everyone no matter how wealthy or famous, the journey has to start in the same place. If Peterson simply fades away then it will be a missed opportunity. For someone like him to say "I was wrong on God" would be immense. That doesn't mean he has to immediately start running seminars on the topic. The value is there simply by someone who is a highly respected academic turning toward's God's divine grace.

There will be many appealing to false pride that he should cower shamefully in the dark while repenting his heresies, as if any Christian must train in secret until they reach a level worthy of proclaiming themselves redeemed through Christ. Those appealing to Pride and it's ugly brother Shame should be put on mute and ignored.
You're right in that yes, God can do whatever he wants with Jordan Peterson. But God also did give humans reason, and as E. Michael Jones says, God operates along the highest reason -- logos. We can still use our understanding of reason to make predictions about people's religious futures -- I don't believe that is blasphemous. I want Jordan Peterson to repent and kneel before God just as much as you do. But I still don't think he will.

Roosh and Jordan Peterson are fundamentally different. Roosh had always seeked the truth, even when it was hard. Being called the 'rape king' wasn't fun -- he was slandered across the western world as a mysoginist and rape advocate for a while. But he never backed down. He always sought the truth. This is why he eventually took the God pill -- it was just the natural conclusion to the Red Pill line of reasoning -- as it is the natural conclusion to any true line of reasoning.

Jordan Peterson is a different story. He was a shill from the start. I highly recommend Vox Day's Jordanetics. The guy does not seek truth in itself -- the truth is a means to an end for Peterson; an end that includes book deals and whatever drugs he's hooked on. He said a few true things that got him controversy enough to get into the media limelight, like at the Kathy Newman interview, but at the end of the day he's just a gatekeeper. He kicked out Faith Goldy from his event, he claimed Kavenaugh should step down if elected, he is now trying to make Christianity something purely metaphorical -- I don't know what else to say about the guy but that that he will lead you down the wrong path.

The truth is that Jordan Peterson has undoubtedly inspired and helped guide more people closer to the doorstep of Christianity with his "metaphors" than you or Vox Day, ever will have in a lifetime..

He's guiding people closer to the doorstep of a permanently locked door, telling them that this was the entrance and that they are there, while keeping them away from the front gate, a large gate that is wide open.

That's what a gatekeeper does.
 
Pinch said:
The truth is that Jordan Peterson has undoubtedly inspired and helped guide more people closer to the doorstep of Christianity with his "metaphors" than you or Vox Day, ever will have in a lifetime..
Are you suggesting it's a good thing that a leftist took a stand in favor of free speech, then proceeded to tell a bunch of normies to start reading the Bible and classic literature?

It's like you've read Mark 9:40 or Luke 9:50. Get your garbage leftist ideas out of here and quit being thankful for the good done by people who aren't exactly like us.
 

Pinch

Sparrow
911 said:
Pinch said:
SubversiveSquare said:
Leonard D Neubache said:
You have no idea what God's plan is for Peterson.

When Roosh came to God he didn't walk out on his podcasting and the forum. He had the humility to continue on and provide an example to the rest of us. There is immense value in seeing pubic figures in the infancy of their journey to God. I helps us understand that for everyone no matter how wealthy or famous, the journey has to start in the same place. If Peterson simply fades away then it will be a missed opportunity. For someone like him to say "I was wrong on God" would be immense. That doesn't mean he has to immediately start running seminars on the topic. The value is there simply by someone who is a highly respected academic turning toward's God's divine grace.

There will be many appealing to false pride that he should cower shamefully in the dark while repenting his heresies, as if any Christian must train in secret until they reach a level worthy of proclaiming themselves redeemed through Christ. Those appealing to Pride and it's ugly brother Shame should be put on mute and ignored.
You're right in that yes, God can do whatever he wants with Jordan Peterson. But God also did give humans reason, and as E. Michael Jones says, God operates along the highest reason -- logos. We can still use our understanding of reason to make predictions about people's religious futures -- I don't believe that is blasphemous. I want Jordan Peterson to repent and kneel before God just as much as you do. But I still don't think he will.

Roosh and Jordan Peterson are fundamentally different. Roosh had always seeked the truth, even when it was hard. Being called the 'rape king' wasn't fun -- he was slandered across the western world as a mysoginist and rape advocate for a while. But he never backed down. He always sought the truth. This is why he eventually took the God pill -- it was just the natural conclusion to the Red Pill line of reasoning -- as it is the natural conclusion to any true line of reasoning.

Jordan Peterson is a different story. He was a shill from the start. I highly recommend Vox Day's Jordanetics. The guy does not seek truth in itself -- the truth is a means to an end for Peterson; an end that includes book deals and whatever drugs he's hooked on. He said a few true things that got him controversy enough to get into the media limelight, like at the Kathy Newman interview, but at the end of the day he's just a gatekeeper. He kicked out Faith Goldy from his event, he claimed Kavenaugh should step down if elected, he is now trying to make Christianity something purely metaphorical -- I don't know what else to say about the guy but that that he will lead you down the wrong path.

The truth is that Jordan Peterson has undoubtedly inspired and helped guide more people closer to the doorstep of Christianity with his "metaphors" than you or Vox Day, ever will have in a lifetime..

He's guiding people closer to the doorstep of a permanently locked door, telling them that this was the entrance and that they are there, while keeping them away from the front gate, a large gate that is wide open.

That's what a gatekeeper does.
I see. Well, perhaps most people aren't quite ready to be led to the large gate by any other means except their own willingness and commitment to the path forward. That journey is nothing short of mysterious and like most things in life, completely non-linear and obvious. So if by deception, which is what you're suggesting, one is brought along further than before on the path, I'd consider that a miracle in today's world.

A permanently locked door is just a door and a gate is only a gate. The message transcends our physical world and is forever ingrained within us all.. at least, that's how Jordan Peterson and many others (Joseph Campbell) have described it.
 

Pinch

Sparrow
Emperor Constantine said:
Pinch said:
The truth is that Jordan Peterson has undoubtedly inspired and helped guide more people closer to the doorstep of Christianity with his "metaphors" than you or Vox Day, ever will have in a lifetime..
Are you suggesting it's a good thing that a leftist took a stand in favor of free speech, then proceeded to tell a bunch of normies to start reading the Bible and classic literature?

It's like you've read Mark 9:40 or Luke 9:50. Get your garbage leftist ideas out of here and quit being thankful for the good done by people who aren't exactly like us.
Sure.. More of an implication than a suggestion and even more so in regards to your response.
 

Roosh

Cardinal
When Peterson was having health problems, I missed how severe it actually was:
According to Mikhaila, he nearly died several times during his medical ordeal. After weeks in intensive care, he was unable to speak or write and was taking anti-seizure medicine.
It is concerning that his daughter seems to be in charge of his medical treatment. What's interesting is that when she was having health problems as a child, Peterson took her to the psychiatrists who gave her drugs, and now that he's older, his daughter seems to be doing that to him.
 

KingDavid

Sparrow
When Peterson was having health problems, I missed how severe it actually was:

It is concerning that his daughter seems to be in charge of his medical treatment. What's interesting is that when she was having health problems as a child, Peterson took her to the psychiatrists who gave her drugs, and now that he's older, his daughter seems to be doing that to him.
He was always a sickly man. The first time I saw a video of his he was talking about how he took psychiatric drugs everyday to make himself more dominant and resistant to stress.

In essence trying to challenge God through psychiatry, and he got his punishment.
 

Mithras

Newbie
Jordan Peterson as a psychologist and therapist has been a positive public figure. He has given a lot of good advice concerning practical life and helped a lot of young men with depression, motivation and this shouldn't be forgotten. I mean things like the big five, the importance of self-discipline, relatively red-pilled opinions on women, relationships, etc.
So, basically things that are of his competence as a psychologist. Unfortunately, here the positives end.

Jordan Peterson as a political, social, and spiritual thinker is essentially fake. He took a mask of a fighter against leftist oppression, quasi-spiritual man, and role model of masculinity, and a lot of men believed it, but this is just a surface. Looking closely, we find that his true religion is progressivism and ideas of the French Revolution. Religiously, he stands somewhere between deism and agnosticism, although he pretends to be a Christian and spiritual man. Most people don't understand the deep distinction between psychic and spiritual, so his attempt to explain the Bible as a psychological phenomena was received highly positively even by Christians. This is a textbook example of mixing sacred with profane, higher with lower.

His political views are even worse and more dangerous. Radical progressivism is just a logical continuation of liberalism and not its opposition. Of course, we shouldn't forget his philosophical position is pragmatism. How could a man with such views be considered as a “hero” or “fighter”? He is a prototypical bourgeoise and not aristocrat, warrior, or sage. When we consider his worldview, it's not strange that he doesn't see the Jewish question, anti-white policies, problems with capitalism, and so on. This is another example of how can talented speaker effectively manipulate the masses, even if his views are of very low quality.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Well one thing is certain now.

Peterson dragged the eyes of millions of young men toward him and went on to show where his path leads.

However people want to categorize his motives and his accomplishments, it now goes without saying that the Peterson mantras will not take you anywhere fruitful in the end.
 

NoMoreTO

Pelican
The fact that he dissappeared into a drug rehab has to really throw some shade on any advice. I used to like his OLD lectures on youtube about communism and slaying the dragon. Something happened to him when he became famous, or something became more visible.

Has he made a re appearance?
 

Papaya

Crow
Gold Member
Hes writing again. Ive received the JBP Weekly newsletter for several weeks (maybe a couple months now)

 

Papaya

Crow
Gold Member
Well one thing is certain now.

Peterson dragged the eyes of millions of young men toward him and went on to show where his path leads.

However people want to categorize his motives and his accomplishments, it now goes without saying that the Peterson mantras will not take you anywhere fruitful in the end.
Out of mom's basement is a good first step though. There's a lot of different directions a young man can take once moving and in the daylight
 
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