The Jordan Peterson thread

NickK

Woodpecker
I think it's not a coincidence.
I don't think Fth Josiah is promoting Peterson's book only to help misguided youth, but to help Peterson himself by keeping the door of Orthodoxy open, in case he makes the final leap of faith.
If that happens, Peterson is going to need an Orthodox priest. A lay person without priestly Grace can only help him up to a point.
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Kingfisher
I think it's not a coincidence.
I don't think Fth Josiah is promoting Peterson's book only to help misguided youth, but to help Peterson himself by keeping the door of Orthodoxy open, in case he makes the final leap of faith.
If that happens, Peterson is going to need an Orthodox priest. A lay person without priestly Grace can only help him up to a point.
We don't need to promote heathens' false works in order to guide them to Christ. Nor should we.
 

NickK

Woodpecker
And you say the "12 rules " are not good for lukewarm Christians?
Fth Josiah thinks they can help a certain group of his parish
 

NickK

Woodpecker
Because there is food for babies and food for grown ups.

People who haven't understood Christianity yet can benefit from some things the world has to offer that are not benefitial, and even detrimental, for actual Christians. The world has become so evil that simple things like reading good secular literature (even non-Christian) or listening to classical music or following the "12 rules" are good for a porn-addicted video gamer that just happens to go to Church every now and then.

How is a pastor supposed to treat these people like? Teach them hesychasm or the Nature/Energies distinction? He is going to use every tool available to get them one step up the ladder.

And i don't quite understand why Jordan himself isn't a target for conversion. It would be spectacular if it happened.
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Kingfisher
Because there is food for babies and food for grown ups.

People who haven't understood Christianity yet can benefit from some things the world has to offer that are not benefitial, and even detrimental, for actual Christians. The world has become so evil that simple things like reading good secular literature (even non-Christian) or listening to classical music or following the "12 rules" are good for a porn-addicted video gamer that just happens to go to Church every now and then.

How is a pastor supposed to treat these people like? Teach them hesychasm or the Nature/Energies distinction? He is going to use every tool available to get them one step up the ladder.

And i don't quite understand why Jordan himself isn't a target for conversion. It would be spectacular if it happened.
We Orthodox aim to baptize the world, including Peterson. However, we shouldn’t make Peterson a more important target for conversion than others due to his fame. Nor should we promote his false works.

I reject your premise that one requires deep theology to grow in Christ. The fact is, we should not lead new believers to heathen ideas like Peterson’s, and a priest definitely shouldn’t be doing that.

Being a priest doesn’t make Fr. Trenham 100% right about everything. To claim otherwise is not an Orthodox position. Our faith is in Christ, not in Fr. Trenham.
 

mgill0600

Pigeon
Jordan Peterson absolutely opens previously hardened hearts to the idea there could be a God and this God could be the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob whom we worship.

I came across Jordan during a very difficult period in my life where I was falling away as a Christian and questioning my faith. His works gave me hope again, and brought me back to God.

While I do believe Jordan has not done well with the monstrous fame and success he's achieved in the last few years, I've seen first hand at one of his one of his seminars from his "12 rules" book tour the good that he was trying to do. The young men I met at this seminar are struggling mightily against the oppression of today's "white man bad" culture. They are desperately looking for some meaning to continue in the suffering and not self delete themselves from history. Jordan's guidance opens their minds to the possibility that there is more to life than Nihilism or Hedonism, and he's able to reach them in a way that no pastor or priest could, due to their underlying distrust of religion as a result of Satan's success in subverting Christianity in our modern culture. Jordan's being able to reach these men (and sure women too)) is a major first step to opening their minds to Christianity.

I pray Jordan does come to Christ though. I believe he has gone as far as he can with the secular moralist viewpoint, the next step is he comes to the one true God or makes himself his own God, which I worry he is leaning towards the latter as of late.
 

DanielH

Pelican
Jordan Peterson was absolutely a stepping stone for me on my path to conversion. His teaching on hierarchies was particularly important for me which helped cleanse me from my secular anarcho-capitalist tendencies. It would be hard to convert without understanding (either innately or consciously) hierarchies. It's like one of those bell curve memes where low IQ and high IQ both clearly understand hierarchies, but people in the middle try to justify why they're important people outside of any hierarchy, because they have no serious accomplishments under their belt or they're too rebellious.

Fr. Josiah is one of the few priests I've seen who understands how many young men there are ready to convert if only the Church would reach out to them.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
I saw a clip of one of his podcasts, he spent 7 minutes 'answering' the question 'Do you believe in God?' and by the end of it he still hadn't given any sort of a definitive answer.

7 minutes to answer the question is a record for Peterson, it usually takes him at least an hour to "ponder" on the issue...

And i don't quite understand why Jordan himself isn't a target for conversion. It would be spectacular if it happened.

Jordan Peterson is a high priest of the secular liberal luciferian church. In this clergy, apostasy means not only a loss of the considerable wealth and fame that his position bestowed upon him, but also physical harm and persecution. While a Christian can put up with this, a luciferian cannot.

The only way I think he sees the light is towards the end of his career at a later stage in life, but even then it's going to be a difficult step for him to take, given his background and lifelong indoctrination into that cult...
 

Wutang

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Discrn also covered the same podcast. For those of you who don't know, Discrn is a news aggregator site created by the guy who originally created Babylon Bee

 

PaulC

Robin
Nothing I've seen has changed my opinion that he is controlled opposition and a shill. Is he still charging $300 to pose for a photo at his book signings?
 
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