The Jordan Peterson thread

Eusebius Erasmus

Pelican
Orthodox
I would not get all soft on this guy. I find him very likable and extremely smart and well read, yet he can come up with something like this? Let`s just face it, no matter the crocodile tears in every interview and turning to Christ (which I doubt is deep) he is not on the right side of history.

Not surprising at all.

CAA -- the Hollywood public relations company that represents Jordan Peterson -- is a globalist outlet that supports woke causes, and has regularly partnered with the WEF and Gates Foundation:

Is it any surprise that Peterson's handlers told him to go along with Covid tyranny?

The fact that anyone thought this guy was a gift from Heaven is bewildering.
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Pelican
Orthodox
Today Robert Malone, the inventor of mRNA vaccines, was censored:


Earlier this month, Bret Weinstein lost his main source of income when YouTube deplatformed him.


In Canada, a surgeon was fired for asking for informed consent for vaccines.


So where is Jordan Peterson, the Knight of Free Speech, in the midst of all this?

Oh, that's right, shilling another snake oil program:


Peterson is the epitome of cowardice.
 
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I would not get all soft on this guy. I find him very likable and extremely smart and well read, yet he can come up with something like this? Let`s just face it, no matter the crocodile tears in every interview and turning to Christ (which I doubt is deep) he is not on the right side of history.


Jordan Peterson pushing covid vaccines is extra disappointing, because he knows. I remember vividly watching a video of him a few years back. He was speaking to a crowd about vaccines, dropping redpills left and right. Essentially he was repeating Dr Suzanne Humphries' main theory outlined in her book Dissolving Illusions: it was a multi-faceted improvement in hygiene and living conditions which allowed us to virtually get rid of true epidemics, such as the ones of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century. Not vaccines!
I remember Peterson dropping a punchline along these lines: "plumbers saved more lives than doctors!"
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
This video is disturbing.

It reminds me of the episode in the Gospels about the Gerasene demoniac (Mark 5:1-20)—except that Jordan Peterson is not Jesus Christ.
Nasser connects this incident very well with the state of modern man. Indeed we were never thought to make our bed, how to do something, how to achieve something, what good is vs bad. We were taught - out of good will by our parents, who were misled too - to have fun and experience it all for ourselves. It's a disaster that entire generations of men but also women have to experience burning their hands countless times to gain knowledge that has been here for thousands of years.
 

Naive

Pigeon
Jordan Peterson pushing covid vaccines is extra disappointing, because he knows. I remember vividly watching a video of him a few years back. He was speaking to a crowd about vaccines, dropping redpills left and right. Essentially he was repeating Dr Suzanne Humphries' main theory outlined in her book Dissolving Illusions: it was a multi-faceted improvement in hygiene and living conditions which allowed us to virtually get rid of true epidemics, such as the ones of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century. Not vaccines!
I remember Peterson dropping a punchline along these lines: "plumbers saved more lives than doctors!"
In his defense, the minute he gets labeled a "vaccine denier", he'd probably be purged from YouTube and put on a no-fly list under Trudeau's Covid gustapo. He's probably just trying to stay in the mainstream. The woke government of Canada has probably been waiting for any excuse to censor him.
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Pelican
Orthodox
In his defense, the minute he gets labeled a "vaccine denier", he'd probably be purged from YouTube and put on a no-fly list under Trudeau's Covid gustapo. He's probably just trying to stay in the mainstream. The woke government of Canada has probably been waiting for any excuse to censor him.

In other words, he's a coward who only cares about money and 'staying in the mainstream.'
 

Naive

Pigeon
In other words, he's a coward who only cares about money and 'staying in the mainstream.'
Maybe so, but I'm sure Peterson has reached way more men than this forum ever will. If the only gateway to the red pill is getting past a bunch of dudes on here and 4chan spouting off about Jewish conspirators and theories about women banging their dogs, then we aren't going to make much progress.
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Pelican
Orthodox
Maybe so, but I'm sure Peterson has reached way more men than this forum ever will. If the only gateway to the red pill is getting past a bunch of dudes on here and 4chan spouting off about Jewish conspirators and theories about women banging their dogs, then we aren't going to make much progress.

I keep hearing this, but aside from a few anecdotes, I have seen no proof that Jordan Peterson is a net force for good.

He's also led a lot of young men into confusion and melancholy, including members of my own family, who would otherwise have grown deeper in their Christian faith.

To disentangle Peterson, it helps to consider the Early Church. Did a few Manicheans and Arians -- like Augustine -- eventually become Orthodox? Sure, but that does not mean that either Mani or Arius were net forces for good. Like Peterson, they are part of the spirit of antichrist, since they deny Christ's divinity.
 
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Aloha50

Sparrow
Maybe so, but I'm sure Peterson has reached way more men than this forum ever will. If the only gateway to the red pill is getting past a bunch of dudes on here and 4chan spouting off about Jewish conspirators and theories about women banging their dogs, then we aren't going to make much progress.
No doubt he's reached men, but with what gospel? A false gospel of conservatism + take the vaccine. No thanks, I'll take the gospel of Jesus Christ that saves and pass on the vax that kills.
 

shrinebuilder

Chicken
Orthodox
I'd say Peterson is somewhere in the middle between, let's say Joe Rogan and the Ortosphere. It might be a necessary step for some people (including myself), as it's too much of a leap to transform in one take. Young men are simply clueless of a formerly obvious things, like value of basic morality, discipline, family etc, which he seemingly promotes.

But yeah, it's unlucky for those who are still in the middle at this point and will take the shot following his advice.
 

Parmesan

Woodpecker
No doubt he's reached men, but with what gospel? A false gospel of conservatism + take the vaccine. No thanks, I'll take the gospel of Jesus Christ that saves and pass on the vax that kills.
But how many men have been trained to outright ignore Christian advice/teachings by the modern media, school system, liberal parents, tiktok thots, etc? I get the argument he isn't "pure" enough, but is he better than the alternative of remaining stuck in the fully degenerate globohomo worldview? Surely he can be a red pill gateway for some men still lost in the degenerate, secular sphere, he is an academic and speaks in their terms after all.
 
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Aloha50

Sparrow
God can work through anybody and any thing to bring a sinner to repentance, granted. But his recent 'advice' to get vaxxed shows to me that he's false. There are many conservative right thinking Jews that make good points and arguments but certainly they're not bringing anybody closer to Jesus Christ as far as I can tell (but God does work in mysterious ways so I won't fully say how He may or may not be working in someone's life. After all, God did use donkey to rebuke Balaam).
 

Parmesan

Woodpecker
I guess, in my mind, conservatives and certainly Christians don't really have the luxury of gatekeeping and purity tests at this point. In the US, we've lost virtually every cultural institution, including somehow even the once staunchly conservative military. Even many churches and other Christian orgs were pro-lockdown wokies. Cancelling Peterson from the right is just a favor to the left. One less contrarian voice they have to contend with, so they can keep young men jerking off in their mom's basement while they implement Socialism and mandatory child fag training.

My personal thoughts are, it's a lot more productive to convert from the center than it is from the extremes, and guys like Peterson are a huge asset in that regard. I do understand this is a Christian red pilled forum, but I think it's a mistake to write him off when we still have a leftist establishment and media that will happily let us kill someone they viewed as aligned with us anyway. I mean, if Peterson isn't good enough, then certainly Joe Rogan and pretty much every other "new media" conservative personality wouldn't be either, not to mention FoxNews, the only mainstream conservative media outlet in the US. Who would we even be left to ally with?
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Pelican
Orthodox
I guess, in my mind, conservatives and certainly Christians don't really have the luxury of gatekeeping and purity tests at this point. In the US, we've lost virtually every cultural institution, including somehow even the once staunchly conservative military. Even many churches and other Christian orgs were pro-lockdown wokies. Cancelling Peterson from the right is just a favor to the left. One less contrarian voice they have to contend with, so they can keep young men jerking off in their mom's basement while they implement Socialism and mandatory child fag training.

My personal thoughts are, it's a lot more productive to convert from the center than it is from the extremes, and guys like Peterson are a huge asset in that regard. I do understand this is a Christian red pilled forum, but I think it's a mistake to write him off when we still have a leftist establishment and media that will happily let us kill someone they viewed as aligned with us anyway. I mean, if Peterson isn't good enough, then certainly Joe Rogan and pretty much every other "new media" conservative personality wouldn't be either, not to mention FoxNews, the only mainstream conservative media outlet in the US. Who would we even be left to ally with?
Your premise that Peterson is a ‘centrist’ is strange, considering he supports abortion, gay marriage, and all of the other leftist degeneracy.

As conservatives and Christians, compromising on our views and ‘dialoguing’ with parasites like Peterson is what led us to this level of civilizational breakdown.
 

Parmesan

Woodpecker
Your premise that Peterson is a ‘centrist’ is strange, considering he supports abortion, gay marriage, and all of the other leftist degeneracy.

As conservatives and Christians, compromising on our views and ‘dialoguing’ with parasites like Peterson is what led us to this level of civilizational breakdown.
Who exactly is going to shift and influence the current secular culture in terms of conservatism then? Young secular men are not actively seeking out Christian content on YouTube. You got to get out there and reach young minds and fence sitters. While you keep searching for purity, the left just keeps plowing forward. The state will be knocking on your door to take your children away before you ever find any ally that is worthy enough. I respect the strength in your beliefs but I think the reality is you have to accept imperfect allies, but not necessarilly embrace everything they say or do. Conservatives have been losing the war for decades and aren’t in a position to be picky. Again, I respect your resolve, I just feel like there is a political and cultural reality to contend with.
 

Cartographer

Pelican
Gold Member
Who exactly is going to shift and influence the current secular culture in terms of conservatism then? Young secular men are not actively seeking out Christian content on YouTube. You got to get out there and reach young minds and fence sitters. While you keep searching for purity, the left just keeps plowing forward. The state will be knocking on your door to take your children away before you ever find any ally that is worthy enough. I respect the strength in your beliefs but I think the reality is you have to accept imperfect allies, but not necessarilly embrace everything they say or do. Conservatives have been losing the war for decades and aren’t in a position to be picky. Again, I respect your resolve, I just feel like there is a political and cultural reality to contend with.

There is no conservative movement.

The state may commit atrocities just like they've done in the past and there may be revolutions and upheavals but they won't be coming from a conservatives as a group. Conservatives are a vaguely defined assortment of constantly shifting alliances and concepts clustered around people being left to live their lives as they see fit.

What any random person means by "conservative" and "conservatism" varies widely, especially among conservatives. On the other hand, almost any antifa/progressive/feminist/atheist will seem to agree with every other member of their group. I think this is because their language is based on validation derived from the group while conservatives align according to groups that reflect views they already hold. For a leftist, groups validate the individual. For a conservative, groups are validated by individuals.

This forum is a good example of this. There's a new group of core posters every few years and people come and go as it suits them according to the value they get from the forum.

An even better example is the American Revolution. It was driven by liberals and radicals. It just happened that in that case, their goals aligned with the common man's. The anti-federalist papers, written by Patrick Henry, John Jay and a few others warned that a government based on federalization would lead to civil war, a bloated central government and runaway corporate abuse.

Jordan Peterson has said some good things and some stupid things; I'll take the good and leave the bad. I don't need "allies" or a "movement", I need to stand up for what I believe to be true and use my God-given faculties to understand what that is, not align to the closest collection of opinions.

The right way, and this is my opinion, I respect your right to have your own, is to live and act in a God-fearing, manly way. There has never been a time where our sin hasn't plagued society and there won't be until we're in heaven. Hopefully I'll be there.
 

Parmesan

Woodpecker
There is no conservative movement.
If you go on reddit or any other liberal echo chamber, they say the same thing about liberalism... they actually think the mainstream media is TOO conservative and ditto for any far left politician outside AOC. These people all still vote for limousine liberals like Newsom and Biden because the one thing they all can agree on is orange man/republican bad.

There absolutely is a modern conservative movement happening on alternative media. It is largely a secular movement, but it’s a fairly red pilled version of conservativism, and in my opinion, it’s about as good as you can hope. We will need a shock to the system for a mass return to religion in the West. Unfortuantely many simply aren’t ready for that, and a secular message in the time being will have to do. It’s actually rather remarkable the things I hear young people talking about these days. Even 5 years ago, discussions about fed money printing were largely limited to niche outlets, now you see it everywhere. I see similar phenomenon regarding red pill ideas on female nature and dating... lots of mainstream talk about this stuff, which was much more limited 10 years ago.

I personally think if we all choose to go it alone in our tribes, one day you’ll simply find a purple haired, armed government goon at your door to take your children away to fag camp. Win back our cultural and political institutions, then we can fight over our own accolades.
 
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