The Jordan Peterson thread

BarrontheTigercat

Kingfisher
Other Christian
I didn't read the your post above. After having read it, I understand what you mean. That the Bolshevist takeover of Russia was a mostly Jewish undertaking (financed by the very same people/organisations which funded Hitler) and that a lot of the officials in the NKVD were also Jewish should be common knowledge, at least on here.

That said, I still think that JP provides some sound and actionable advise, especially for younger men. In any case, rather than a defense of JP, my question was aimed to learn more about Solzhenitsyn since I started reading Gulag Archipelago.
Thanks for your response.

As many have pointed out - it wasn't just Solzhenitsyn, Anthony Sutton documented the role of Western Jewish Establishment in the genocide of Russian Christians in "Wall Street and the Russian Revolution". He had his academic career ruined for that.

Solzhenitsyn was lionised in the West as a Nobel Prize winner and he then went on and wrote a lengthy book "200 years Together" which went into just how extensive the Jewish murderous attack on Russians was.
You can also come across books like Under the Sign or the Scorpion by Jura Lina on the same subject.
If you want to know about the Jewish role in the Genocide of up to 1.5 Million Armenians then one can read Christopher Jon Bjerknes.

Fun Fact: Western publishing will not touch "200 years Together" - it will only be come across as an unofficial translation online.

Zionist money installed Peterson and signal boosted him as a so called expert on Solzhenitsyn and yet.. when questioned he said he'd never read "200 years together" lol and when asked to read it or answer a question on the Jewish Genocide of millions of Russians his response was "I can't" .

So that's Petersons role. To give some low key self help advice to young men whilst steering them Faaaaar Away from the entire picture of who is attacking them culturally, why and how far reaching it is.

There've been tons of people giving young men sage advice over many generations but the problem here is that Peterson's role here is to play the pied piper, protect his Zionist Jewish masters as a priority and discredit the very real ethnic concerns of his Young White Male followers.
In fact (as I see it) helping the Zionist masters succeed in replacing and humiliating young white men by purposefully misleading them is his main role and was his main goal.

He gives them the same kind of advice that frankly most thoughtful people could give troubled young men in the face of his "Woke" masters propaganda. But Peterson is the only guy (as I see it) who is working for their enemies. (Balsillie, Trilateral Commission, Ezra Levant, Jewish Zionist money)

And he does one thing more: he makes sure that all of it fits with the bigger plan to disenfranchise and target the very white males he pretends to be helping.
If I need simple advice about how to approach life I will happily avail myself of many sources but I'd rather read people like Robert Bly for advice on men's issues and can read many, many sources for advice on the same things that Peterson advises.

And he is the only Cuckoo in the nest in his field that Im aware of: certainly the biggest and most dishonest in my view. (I understand that others may differ).
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
I didn't read the your post above. After having read it, I understand what you mean. That the Bolshevist takeover of Russia was a mostly Jewish undertaking (financed by the very same people/organisations which funded Hitler) and that a lot of the officials in the NKVD were also Jewish should be common knowledge, at least on here.

That said, I still think that JP provides some sound and actionable advise, especially for younger men. In any case, rather than a defense of JP, my question was aimed to learn more about Solzhenitsyn since I started reading Gulag Archipelago.
Hitler was not funded by Wall Street bankers. He did use the capitalists to bring together the socialists and capitalists of their time (socialists of their time were the labor unions, not communists) and build a coalition and bring the country together.

In fact, the Wall Street types declared war on Germany long before there was an actual physical war. I think one of the biggest humps to get over when it comes to the red pill is exactly how much we were lied to about WW2. Which is one of my biggest issue with Alex Jones and Peterson. They repeat these horrible lies to push the brainwashing.

As I said before, my grandfather fought for the USA in WW2 and I am very proud of that. At the same time I am well aware he fought because he was lied to about the real reasons, we are now suffering greatly from it, and it ruined his life with awful PTSD that turned a once very strong young man into a shell of himself for his last 40 years.
 

SpaceShredder

Sparrow
Protestant
Ok, I think I get it. If you're a public and influential figure, like JP and Alex Jones, etc, If you're not preaching how to convert the pagan peoples of the world (specifically the Jews) to Christianity, then you're just beating around the bush and wasting everyone's time. For this is where the real battle is. This I agree with. The question is one of strategy though.

Have you all ever seen the movie Silence with Liam Nelson? I watched it with my wife the other day and it really gave me something to think about in terms of missionary work. We talked about it for about on hour afterwards. The question is, is the Truth something to be wielded at all costs?
 

SpaceShredder

Sparrow
Protestant
Thanks for your response.

As many have pointed out - it wasn't just Solzhenitsyn, Anthony Sutton documented the role of Western Jewish Establishment in the genocide of Russian Christians in "Wall Street and the Russian Revolution". He had his academic career ruined for that.

Solzhenitsyn was lionised in the West as a Nobel Prize winner and he then went on and wrote a lengthy book "200 years Together" which went into just how extensive the Jewish murderous attack on Russians was.
You can also come across books like Under the Sign or the Scorpion by Jura Lina on the same subject.
If you want to know about the Jewish role in the Genocide of up to 1.5 Million Armenians then one can read Christopher Jon Bjerknes.

Fun Fact: Western publishing will not touch "200 years Together" - it will only be come across as an unofficial translation online.

Zionist money installed Peterson and signal boosted him as a so called expert on Solzhenitsyn and yet.. when questioned he said he'd never read "200 years together" lol and when asked to read it or answer a question on the Jewish Genocide of millions of Russians his response was "I can't" .

So that's Petersons role. To give some low key self help advice to young men whilst steering them Faaaaar Away from the entire picture of who is attacking them culturally, why and how far reaching it is.

There've been tons of people giving young men sage advice over many generations but the problem here is that Peterson's role here is to play the pied piper, protect his Zionist Jewish masters as a priority and discredit the very real ethnic concerns of his Young White Male followers.
In fact (as I see it) helping the Zionist masters succeed in replacing and humiliating young white men by purposefully misleading them is his main role and was his main goal.

He gives them the same kind of advice that frankly most thoughtful people could give troubled young men in the face of his "Woke" masters propaganda. But Peterson is the only guy (as I see it) who is working for their enemies. (Balsillie, Trilateral Commission, Ezra Levant, Jewish Zionist money)

And he does one thing more: he makes sure that all of it fits with the bigger plan to disenfranchise and target the very white males he pretends to be helping.
If I need simple advice about how to approach life I will happily avail myself of many sources but I'd rather read people like Robert Bly for advice on men's issues and can read many, many sources for advice on the same things that Peterson advises.

And he is the only Cuckoo in the nest in his field that Im aware of: certainly the biggest and most dishonest in my view. (I understand that others may differ).
Thank you for this synopsis. To sum it up, figures like Peterson and others are being used as a distraction or purposeful waste of time by the Jewish elite to keep predominantly white males heads up their a$$es so virtually no progress can be made in steering the ship away from doom.

This is very possible. I honesty don't know though.
 

IM3000

Pelican
Hitler was not funded by Wall Street bankers. He did use the capitalists to bring together the socialists and capitalists of their time (socialists of their time were the labor unions, not communists) and build a coalition and bring the country together.

In fact, the Wall Street types declared war on Germany long before there was an actual physical war. I think one of the biggest humps to get over when it comes to the red pill is exactly how much we were lied to about WW2. Which is one of my biggest issue with Alex Jones and Peterson. They repeat these horrible lies to push the brainwashing.
Not to derail this thread too much but this is probably not true as detailed by Sutton in his book Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler. Of course, I'm not an expert on this stuff and he could be wrong, but he does make a strong case.

For instance, there were American branches of all major German companies (e.g. IG Farben aka BASF) in the US, which were used to channel Wall Street money back to Germany. The US supplied Germany with a bunch of essential stuff for its war machine. Sutton describes is really well, facsimiles and all.

Check out the book yourself, it's a good read and draw your own conclusions.
 

It_is_my_time

Crow
Protestant
Not to derail this thread too much but this is probably not true as detailed by Sutton in his book Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler. Of course, I'm not an expert on this stuff and he could be wrong, but he does make a strong case.

For instance, there were American branches of all major German companies (e.g. AG Farben aka BASF) in the US, which were used to channel Wall Street money back to Germany. The US supplied Germany with a bunch of essential stuff for its war machine. Sutton describes is really well, facsimiles and all.

Check out the book yourself, it's a good read and draw your own conclusions.

There is a big difference in Wall Street companies doing business with a country, which there are currently no disagreements. This is just smart business and happens every day.

V.

Funding a communist uprising that killed 60,000,000 innocent Christians across Europe. Not a business plan, just simply handing over ill gained money to murderous animals so they can kill innocent Christians.
 

Raskolnikov

Sparrow
Orthodox
I didn't read the your post above. After having read it, I understand what you mean. That the Bolshevist takeover of Russia was a mostly Jewish undertaking (financed by the very same people/organisations which funded Hitler) and that a lot of the officials in the NKVD were also Jewish should be common knowledge, at least on here.

That said, I still think that JP provides some sound and actionable advise, especially for younger men. In any case, rather than a defense of JP, my question was aimed to learn more about Solzhenitsyn since I started reading Gulag Archipelago.
Solszenytsin wrote a book on the Jews in Russia, first published, I think, in the early 2000s. I don't think there is any official english translation, or at least there wasn't for a long time, Jews saw to that. It's not exactly a pamphlet against Jews, but it does dispel some popular Jew myths, using very solid sources, many of them Jewish.
Jewish media immediately had a freakout, demanded his Nobel prize being revoked etc etc. So when JBP claims to have no detailed knowledge of it, it seems very disingenuous considering his keen interest in history and all things Solzhenitsyn. At least he would have second guessed what Jewish group behavior might be all about, with his alleged 150 IQ. I will say though, that many people are really good at selectively ignoring certain topics, particularly if it suits them well. Anyway, here's a link to the pdf. It's not an official translation, so it's a little clunky, but the wording is very similar to the official German translation (funny how that works huh, German media has a pro-Jewish narrative line, but it's not operated by Jews, so a lot of stuff isn't filtered).

EDIT: the link is for renegade tribune, which is an unoptical wignat page, so if you are sensitive about people checking your browser history, take precautions.
 

IM3000

Pelican
There is a big difference in Wall Street companies doing business with a country, which there are currently no disagreements. This is just smart business and happens every day.

V.

Funding a communist uprising that killed 60,000,000 innocent Christians across Europe. Not a business plan, just simply handing over ill gained money to murderous animals so they can kill innocent Christians.
True. That said, according to Sutton, it went a bit further than that. In any case, if you want to know more, check out the book. It's not too long and quite interesting.
 

EndlessGravity

 
Banned
Protestant
There is a big difference in Wall Street companies doing business with a country, which there are currently no disagreements. This is just smart business and happens every day.

V.

Funding a communist uprising that killed 60,000,000 innocent Christians across Europe. Not a business plan, just simply handing over ill gained money to murderous animals so they can kill innocent Christians.

@It_is_my_time Farben was instrumental in bringing Hitler to power, from my understanding and there does appear to be substantial dealings between Farben and American industry.

Although it would make sense after WW1 for Wall Street to pour into Germany in an effort to own its economy, the burdensome reparations they insisted on having repaid at the same time was a main reason Hitler cited for WW2.

Then there's how Hitler was part of military intelligence. I just find it hard to believe the US didn't have some elite playing both sides, given these connections. What are the chances Farben's ties were only coincidence?

This is an area I've been meaning to do more hard research in. Maybe lots of German companies had such strong relationships with American funding after WW1.
 

Max Roscoe

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer

Well, Jordan Peterson has joined Ben Shapiro at the Daily Wire.
What is his first video about?
Instructing Muslims that "Satan is within": how they need to stop worrying about the Jews murdering them and bulldozing their homes. The real enemy is within.

Good grief.
He's far too intelligent for this to be excusable.

 

BarrontheTigercat

Kingfisher
Other Christian
have you see the movie though?
You can join the discussion of the movie on this thread:


Quite a bit of discussion already.

"A demonically inspired movie. Sorry to say this. It's utterly demonic and blasphemus." (sic)

"Silence is anti-Christian and promotes apostasy. Avoid."

"Stop promoting cringe anti-Christian films like Silence.
That movie is about a Jesuit who apostatizes and becomes a Buddhist. This is portrayed as a virtuous thing, despite the fact that the Japanese Christians he is supposed to be serving were willing to die for him. ... Silence should be avoided."

"Why do you say that? It was pretty faithful to the novel it’s based upon, from what I remember (I read the novel about 10 years before the movie was made). Graham Greene said it was “one of the finest novels of our time.” Anyway, if it is blasphemous, blame the novel."

"“Silence” has a fair portrayal of Catholicism. I don’t think it glorifies the faux “conversion” at all."

"I blame both the novel and Scorseze.He has a history in blasphemy. The Temptation of Christ was a blatantly anti-Christian movie (and I see now that someone recommended it above as a Christian movie. I mean... What?!).
The difference is that in "Silence" the anti-Christian theme is covered under a veneer of piety. Obviously the director learned his lesson after the backlash at his first attempt to blaspheme Christ.

The first half of the movie shows the true faith of the simple Japanese peasants. It is moving to see the love for Christ these peasants had, some of them became martyrs.

However, the second half tries to discredit the themes the first half promoted and throws them out the window. Martyrdom is replaced with apostacy, true faith is replaced with delusion.."


The debate goes on...

One thing Silence underlines is just how brutal the Buddhist Japanese were to the new religion Christianity and to anyone from the Alien Culture trying to bring it in to Japan.

Takuan Soho (17th century Buddhist Monk) is something of a folk figure in Japan. He wrote the Zen text "the wondrous record of immoveable wisdom", famously tore a strip off corrupt officials in ways that they couldn't easily refute and has a popular condiment, a pickle, named after him.
He is associated with Japan's most famous swordsman, Miyamoto Musashi (of bodybuilding supplement fame), in the popular mind. Musashi took a leading role in putting down the 17th Century Japanese Catholic Shimabara Rebellion.
Takuan attended the tortures of the Christians and at no time voiced any displeasure, rather giving it his approval.

The newly converted and devout Japanese Christians held out for days. The Europeans could barely last an hour or so under the cruel torture.

But Im not clear as to what the exact relevance you feel the Book or the Movie "Silence" has to Jordan Peterson's seemingly dishonest "controlled opposition" role?
 

Raskolnikov

Sparrow
Orthodox

Well, Jordan Peterson has joined Ben Shapiro at the Daily Wire.
What is his first video about?
Instructing Muslims that "Satan is within": how they need to stop worrying about the Jews murdering them and bulldozing their homes. The real enemy is within.

Good grief.
He's far too intelligent for this to be excusable.


Haha, oh no. Well, that settles it. He went the path of the Mammon.
As far as I know, he has been with Creative Artists Agency for a couple of years, and like most agencies, it is entirely run by Jews. I don't know if I have posted this theory on here already I think , but does it sometimes strike you as if he's trying to wiggle his way out of his contract? Like, he's reducing his reach by getting suspended on twitter (very much on purpose it seems), and he recently had this rant on Russia defending itself against degenerate Western culture, which I am sure made his handlers pull their hair out, given that they are most likely all Russia-hating Jews. I'm sure they would have preferred to have him go like "Putin has a pathological obsession with the dominance hierarchy" or some BS like that, and his die hard fans would've greedily leaped it up.
 
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AHaytch

Sparrow
Non-Christian

Well, Jordan Peterson has joined Ben Shapiro at the Daily Wire.
What is his first video about?
Instructing Muslims that "Satan is within": how they need to stop worrying about the Jews murdering them and bulldozing their homes. The real enemy is within.

Good grief.
He's far too intelligent for this to be excusable.



I agree, it was a fairly abominable video as someone with a culturally Muslim upbringing. Simply telling Shias and Sunnis to talk to one another as a solution to centuries of sectarian division was a trite message any 3 year old could come up with.
His inherent focus on "the enemy within" is also an extension of the clean your room philosophy, deliberately not looking at the greater whole in terms of the world's problems. All in all, a bland Benetton ad-type message.
 

SpaceShredder

Sparrow
Protestant
You can join the discussion of the movie on this thread:


Quite a bit of discussion already.

"A demonically inspired movie. Sorry to say this. It's utterly demonic and blasphemus." (sic)

"Silence is anti-Christian and promotes apostasy. Avoid."

"Stop promoting cringe anti-Christian films like Silence.
That movie is about a Jesuit who apostatizes and becomes a Buddhist. This is portrayed as a virtuous thing, despite the fact that the Japanese Christians he is supposed to be serving were willing to die for him. ... Silence should be avoided."

"Why do you say that? It was pretty faithful to the novel it’s based upon, from what I remember (I read the novel about 10 years before the movie was made). Graham Greene said it was “one of the finest novels of our time.” Anyway, if it is blasphemous, blame the novel."

"“Silence” has a fair portrayal of Catholicism. I don’t think it glorifies the faux “conversion” at all."

"I blame both the novel and Scorseze.He has a history in blasphemy. The Temptation of Christ was a blatantly anti-Christian movie (and I see now that someone recommended it above as a Christian movie. I mean... What?!).
The difference is that in "Silence" the anti-Christian theme is covered under a veneer of piety. Obviously the director learned his lesson after the backlash at his first attempt to blaspheme Christ.

The first half of the movie shows the true faith of the simple Japanese peasants. It is moving to see the love for Christ these peasants had, some of them became martyrs.

However, the second half tries to discredit the themes the first half promoted and throws them out the window. Martyrdom is replaced with apostacy, true faith is replaced with delusion.."


The debate goes on...

One thing Silence underlines is just how brutal the Buddhist Japanese were to the new religion Christianity and to anyone from the Alien Culture trying to bring it in to Japan.

Takuan Soho (17th century Buddhist Monk) is something of a folk figure in Japan. He wrote the Zen text "the wondrous record of immoveable wisdom", famously tore a strip off corrupt officials in ways that they couldn't easily refute and has a popular condiment, a pickle, named after him.
He is associated with Japan's most famous swordsman, Miyamoto Musashi (of bodybuilding supplement fame), in the popular mind. Musashi took a leading role in putting down the 17th Century Japanese Catholic Shimabara Rebellion.
Takuan attended the tortures of the Christians and at no time voiced any displeasure, rather giving it his approval.

The newly converted and devout Japanese Christians held out for days. The Europeans could barely last an hour or so under the cruel torture.

But Im not clear as to what the exact relevance you feel the Book or the Movie "Silence" has to Jordan Peterson's seemingly dishonest "controlled opposition" role?
Thank you for the response. I initially interpreted the film differently. I will go back and re-look at the film and analysis of film from a Christian perspective and from the reviews on this thread. I do think the film was quite sadistic though. Then I remembered what the apostle Paul said about appeasing the state (Roman empire at the time) and not "rocking the boat" so to speak.
 

TheLoneReader

Pigeon
Orthodox Inquirer

Vox Day sums it up pretty well for me. I do have to give Jordan Peterson credit. I read his book during the shutdown and I did enjoy it and took away some things from it that have been beneficial. Watching Jordan Peterson led to watching Jonathan Pageau, which then branched out into a rich exposure to Orthodoxy through various channels on YouTube.

Peterson's obtuseness (or stubbornness?) in refusing to embrace the faith which is literally right there in front of him has been frustrating for me. But seeing his alliance with the Daily Wire and Ben Shapiro has cast some doubts (and more so after reading the posts above and Peterson's "unfamiliarity with 200 Years Together).

But now he's lecturing the church? It seems like a further attempt to dissolve it, this time the strategy being with spiritual acid rather than a full Bolshevik assault, even though the spirit feels similar.

However, with God, all things are possible. I think the man needs our prayers. He may not be a prophet, even if he sounds like one, but perhaps one day God can work on him to be a Samson that brings down the pillars on which the modern world rests.
 

EndlessGravity

 
Banned
Protestant
But now he's lecturing the church? It seems like a further attempt to dissolve it, this time the strategy being with spiritual acid rather than a full Bolshevik assault, even though the spirit feels similar.

Even though I'm critical of individual church decisions at times, I thought what Peterson said in his piece challenging the Church was incredibly arrogant. Never would I, someone gifted in discernment but with my own fair share of pride, ever address the entire Church body in such a way.

Whatever I had to say to the whole Church of believers, however dire it may be, would be said with the utmost humility. You're addressing the body of Christ, so you better not be wrong. If you can't recognize you're also talking to other men, holy men with lifetimes of wisdom, and speak accordingly, you shouldn't be talking, imho.

This after Peterson couldn't even answer the question of whether he believed in God with a simple, "yes."
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
He's too proud, too comfortable and too fake to turn to God. People like him will only change when that level of fame and comfort is taken away from them, and they are confronted with a deep struggle, and their hubris replaced by genuine humbleness. He's pretty far from there right now.
 
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