The Jordan Peterson thread

Uzisuicide

Kingfisher
Protestant
Gold Member
I used to love this guy and Ben Shapiro a lot in 2016-18 however they got a bit boring. Now I believe they are up to no good somehow.. I think they might be masons or something so there is some agenda going on..

They might be controlled opposition! Maybe "masons" or could be somehow affiliated with the lizard people pulling the strings behind the scenes. Must be some crazy insidious agenda though. Can't trust them.
 

Bitter End

Woodpecker
Orthodox
I don't believe he was controlled opposition from the start. Even if he always "loved" Israel, not sure they cared about him that much initially. But somewhere along the way he got chosen and the truth seeking got hijacked. He seemed genuine and an emotional wreck in the first Joe Rogan episode. But I have the feeling that he wanted the beef steaks to keep on coming "oh I have to have 400 tours this year, my wife will help me". One of the popular figures that most eloquently showed why materialism is not everything sold out before our very eyes.

However, for the normies he still has the perfect arguments. Even when I see him completely sell out in bright day light, having dinners with Bennie and other tractors, he still managed to say the other day "educating women decimates the birth rates". Also, if you want to gatekeep you should never mention Solzhenitsyn in first place, let alone the communist revolution. He is a terrible gatekeeper and it helps me sort out which people might be ready to delve deeper into darker subjects. His stance on corona measures was sound from the start.

All in all, a contradictory character but necessary sometimes.

PS The crying thing seemed really genuine at the start but now it is every other interview. Frankly, it is embarrassing.
 

budoslavic

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
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Akaky Akakievitch

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Opinion piece by anonymous contributor Moishe regarding Peterstein's recent speech at Ephesus on the Logos:


The Full Truth Behind Jordan Peterson’s Recent Speech on Logos

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By “Moishe”


Many of you have seen the picture of Jordan Peterson shaking hands with Binyamin Netanyahu over dinner in Jerusalem with Ben Shapiro beaming in the background. Many of you know that E. Michael Jones has extensive contacts in the intelligence community in the United States. What many of you might not know is that he also has contacts in both the Mossad and Shin Beth, whose agents have turned against Netanyahu after he turned fellow Israelis into Pfizer lab rats.

My name is “Moishe,” and I am a disgruntled Shin Beth agent who converted to Catholicism after reading E. Michael Jones’s magnum opus The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit. Rather than make my conversion public, I decided to become a mole who could provide the public with transcripts of important conversations like the one which took place between Shapiro, Peterson and Netanyahu in late 2022. I am here to testify to the truth of this transcript, which we now reproduce for the first time in full below. To those who doubt its authenticity, all I can say is that it is every bit as true as holocaust narratives like Elie Wiesel's memoir Night or Mischa de Fonesca’s incredible story of traveling 900 miles across Europe in a pack of wolves to rescue her parents from Auschwitz. For those who doubt, no explanation is possible. For those who believe, no explanation is necessary.

This Moishe sounds distinctly familiar, like a certain Irish-German Catholic author and journalist that I know of...

I'd recommend reading the article for a good breakdown (including the leaked transcript of their heated conversation, followed by explicit commentary on the talk), but if anyone is willing to put up with the main one-hour long talk, then here it is, uncensored, unfiltered...



Although let's be honest, it will probably do more harm than good.

We can't deny he doesn't get the attention though, it's currently at 300k+ views on YT, uploaded on Christmas Day.

However, what's debatable is whether anyone understood anything he was saying...

Edit: After trying to watch the first 5-10 minutes of it, I was left quite confused. It sounds like he doesn't know what he's talking about either.
 
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Uzisuicide

Kingfisher
Protestant
Gold Member
What's funny to me is how JP is made out to be some diabolical threat to the world here. I've listened to hundreds of hours of his podcasts and lectures commuting to and from work and found his take on art, literature and of course psychology very interesting and thought provoking.

What kind of world am I witnessing here where Ye is a hero and JP trashed to no end? With love I say, some of you guys need to lighten up in '23.
 

kurtybro

Woodpecker
I initially had to do a triple take on this, i thought for sure it was fake... turns out there's a strong possibility its real. I've never purchased any of Petersons books nor do i personally know of anyone who has, so take that FWIW. This quote is allegedly from "Maps of meaning". Can anyone confirm/deny?

I dreamed I saw my maternal grandmother sitting by the bank of a swimming pool, which was also a river. Her genital region was exposed dimly. It had the appearance of a thick mane of hair. She was stroking herself absentmindedly. She walked over to me with a handful of pubic hair compacted into something resembling a large artist's paintbrush. She pushed this at my face. I raised my arm several times to deflect her hand. Finally, unwilling to hurt her or interfere with her any further, I let her have her way. She stroked my face with the brush gently and said, like a child, isn't it soft? I looked at her ruined face and said, “yes, Grandma, it’s soft.”
 

Optimus Senior

Chicken
Orthodox Inquirer
They might be controlled opposition! Maybe "masons" or could be somehow affiliated with the lizard people pulling the strings behind the scenes. Must be some crazy insidious agenda though. Can't trust them.
Now to be fair I don't know anything about lizard people .... But I've been around for a while and I have gained some wisdom you younger guys might appreciate ....



On the matter of Mr. Peterson he has been a very positive influence on my son who was going down the wrong path watching anime and spending too much time on the computer. Ever since he started listening to Mr. Peterson he has been cleaning his room and on visits he takes out the trash without any asking (-:

TWO THUMBS UP

I like to listen to Joe Rogan on the Pelaton after work -- I like to go at least 30 minutes and I put on a hoodie too. Now that will get you to sweat!!
 

paternos

Kingfisher
Catholic
Great quote.

And in my experience totally true. In my experience the so-called intellectuals are the most deceived of all.

The kind of people that support their opinions by quoting of the jewish "thinkers.

I am literally 100x more interest to hear a normal simple person who experienced something than another analyst who explains we how the world is. The university system which is based on quoting.


The most quoted person is a jew called Ronald C Kessler on assessing psychiatric intervention.

I've listened to hundreds of hours of his podcasts and lectures commuting to and from work and found his take on art, literature and of course psychology very interesting and thought provoking.
And this is exactly the problem I think.

Peterson is "thought provoking". He makes you look at the same situation with different eyes. This is the snake in Adam and Eve. He makes you look different at the apple.

The big problem is that this is irrelevant and problematic. And it denies Truth.

Thought provoking means there is no truth, there are just opinions and ways of looking at things. And if you feel something is a problem you just might need to change your perspective.

Jordan Peterson is a professor fully in the Jewish tradition as we see. It is interesting to listen to the snake, it is interesting to hear a different perspective. But is he speaking truth? Do his words provide clarity?

Just listen to this what @Akaky Akakievitch shared.


I see a nervous wreck, I hear a lost soul. Do I see the calm of Jesus in the storm in him?

Not at all, the opposite, I see a nervous jewish wreck.

So what is the value of his intelligence? And the multiple interesting perspectives? How does that benefit us?

When I see him I feel the need to pray for him. I pray for him to receive the grace of truth.

Peterson is a symbol of the intellectual for me. Lost in all his different perspectives, all his theories, ideas.

For long I enjoyed it, but it's just intellectual masturbation, getting a kick out of viewing the same fact in different perspectives. And being part of the free thinkers.

Peterstein (rock rock) is the opposite of a rock. The name is even a linguist joke.

What kind of world am I witnessing here where Ye is a hero and JP trashed to no end? With love I say, some of you guys need to lighten up in '23.

I think Peterson is like the snake, short term the apple might taste good, long term you get very very sick.

Only truth will set us free.
 

Uzisuicide

Kingfisher
Protestant
Gold Member
Great quote.

And in my experience totally true. In my experience the so-called intellectuals are the most deceived of all.

The kind of people that support their opinions by quoting of the jewish "thinkers.

I am literally 100x more interest to hear a normal simple person who experienced something than another analyst who explains we how the world is. The university system which is based on quoting.


The most quoted person is a jew called Ronald C Kessler on assessing psychiatric intervention.


And this is exactly the problem I think.

Peterson is "thought provoking". He makes you look at the same situation with different eyes. This is the snake in Adam and Eve. He makes you look different at the apple.

The big problem is that this is irrelevant and problematic. And it denies Truth.

Thought provoking means there is no truth, there are just opinions and ways of looking at things. And if you feel something is a problem you just might need to change your perspective.

Jordan Peterson is a professor fully in the Jewish tradition as we see. It is interesting to listen to the snake, it is interesting to hear a different perspective. But is he speaking truth? Do his words provide clarity?

Just listen to this what @Akaky Akakievitch shared.


I see a nervous wreck, I hear a lost soul. Do I see the calm of Jesus in the storm in him?

Not at all, the opposite, I see a nervous jewish wreck.

So what is the value of his intelligence? And the multiple interesting perspectives? How does that benefit us?

When I see him I feel the need to pray for him. I pray for him to receive the grace of truth.

Peterson is a symbol of the intellectual for me. Lost in all his different perspectives, all his theories, ideas.

For long I enjoyed it, but it's just intellectual masturbation, getting a kick out of viewing the same fact in different perspectives. And being part of the free thinkers.

Peterstein (rock rock) is the opposite of a rock. The name is even a linguist joke.



I think Peterson is like the snake, short term the apple might taste good, long term you get very very sick.

Only truth will set us free.

Intellectual masturbation? This is clown world stuff. Am I the only one here who sees the arrogance in a statement such as: "When I see him I feel the need to pray for him. I pray for him to receive the grace of truth"? As if hoping he could one day be shaken from his malaise and have everything figured out the way I do.

Thought provoking is the idea that somebody perhaps knows something that I don't and perhaps there is something that I can learn from others.
Comparing JP to "the snake" in the garden of Eden is comparing him to satan which is making my point in the previous post. It is mean spirited and not at all appropriate. It is however an unfortunate and arrogant trend that I have noticed from a growing number of members that have joined this site post 2020.. Being critical of the Jewish cabal that runs finance, Hollywood and the porn industry is one thing that deserves to be openly and honestly discussed. But opposition to Jews on this site has created an us vs. them mentality that has in my opinion distorted rational discussion of not only public figures, but much of the other day to day news items.

Jordan Peterson is not the devil and should not be slandered in such a way here.
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Ostrich
Orthodox
Intellectual masturbation? This is clown world stuff. Am I the only one here who sees the arrogance in a statement such as: "When I see him I feel the need to pray for him. I pray for him to receive the grace of truth"? As if hoping he could one day be shaken from his malaise and have everything figured out the way I do.

Thought provoking is the idea that somebody perhaps knows something that I don't and perhaps there is something that I can learn from others.
Comparing JP to "the snake" in the garden of Eden is comparing him to satan which is making my point in the previous post. It is mean spirited and not at all appropriate. It is however an unfortunate and arrogant trend that I have noticed from a growing number of members that have joined this site post 2020.. Being critical of the Jewish cabal that runs finance, Hollywood and the porn industry is one thing that deserves to be openly and honestly discussed. But opposition to Jews on this site has created an us vs. them mentality that has in my opinion distorted rational discussion of not only public figures, but much of the other day to day news items.

Jordan Peterson is not the devil and should not be slandered in such a way here.

I agree that it is too strong to claim that JP is 'Satan incarnate,' or other such nonsense, but his ideas are Anti-Christ, as Fr. Turbo Qualls said.

Peterson presents Scripture as a key to unlocking Jungian archetypes, completely ignoring the question of whether it is historical or not. Let's not forget that much of Jungian psychology is a demonic enterprise.

If young men want life guidance and wisdom, then they should turn to the Holy Fathers of the Orthodox Church. Not secular academics.
 

Uzisuicide

Kingfisher
Protestant
Gold Member
I agree that it is too strong to claim that JP is 'Satan incarnate,' or other such nonsense, but his ideas are Anti-Christ, as Fr. Turbo Qualls said.

Peterson presents Scripture as a key to unlocking Jungian archetypes, completely ignoring the question of whether it is historical or not. Let's not forget that much of Jungian psychology is a demonic enterprise.

If young men want life guidance and wisdom, then they should turn to the Holy Fathers of the Orthodox Church. Not secular academics.

Rubbish, nothing about JP is "anti-Christ". Taking up your cross and walking up hill on your personal journey is a central theme of Christ's message. Following Christ is a personal journey and decision everyone must make for themselves and it includes suffering because life is suffering. JP's philosophy so far as I can tell walks right along side the Christian message. If Peterson is anti-Christ then so is every secular idea and person in the public figures forum that get's 1% of the criticism JP gets.

Furthermore, classifying Carl Jung as mostly demonic is another example of mean spirited, generalized slander here that needs to stop in my opinion.
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Ostrich
Orthodox
Rubbish, nothing about JP is "anti-Christ". Taking up your cross and walking up hill on your personal journey is a central theme of Christ's message. Following Christ is a personal journey and decision everyone must make for themselves and it includes suffering because life is suffering. JP's philosophy so far as I can tell walks right along side the Christian message. If Peterson is anti-Christ then so is every secular idea and person in the public figures forum that get's 1% of the criticism JP gets.

Furthermore, classifying Carl Jung as mostly demonic is another example of mean spirited, generalized slander here that needs to stop in my opinion.

Their ideas are clearly antichrist and demonic.

Antichrist means 'instead of Christ.' Both Peterson and Jung are promoting lifestyles and worldviews which eschew Christian teaching, or minimize it at best, while offering their philosophies up as cohesive, all-encompassing and even ideal.

I don't need that. I turn to secular sources when I need to fix my car or learn how to code.

If I need lifestyle, philosophical, or psychological advice, I go to the holy fathers of the Orthodox Church. Not to Peterson or Jung.

(Note that Jung wrote about having a personal demon.)

If you want to read JP or Jung, then you're free to do so.
 
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Eusebius Erasmus

Ostrich
Orthodox
anti-Christ is "in place of Christ". Secular endeavors are actually anti-Christian in nature. They try to emulate all the virtues without Christ. (although recently their emulation of virtue is getting quite warped). By definition secularity is setting up a system in place of Christ.

I don't think all secular endeavours are bad. If you need to learn practical skills, like computer programming or car mechanics, then you obviously turn to secular sources. If you need to make money to feed your family, then you usually take a secular job, for example as a tradesman or a lawyer.

The problem is when secular philosophies take the place of religion -- which is what happens with lifestyle gurus like Jordan Peterson. Peterson even interprets the Bible along Jungian lines, which is just pure blasphemy if you carefully listen to what Peterson is saying.

Instead of 12 Rules for Life, which is just nonsense, a young man will receive more value from The Prologue of Ohrid.
 

Prores

Robin
Orthodox
Yes every secular idea is antichrist, instead of Christ.

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Carl Jung for example, in his own writing, this is the same sort of antichrist philosophy. This sort of mumbo jumbo just reads as completely useless next to the wisdom of the holy fathers.

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What is the use of any of this?
 

TooFineAPoint

Pelican
Protestant
...offering their philosophies up as cohesive, all-encompassing and even ideal.

I don't need that. I turn to secular sources when I need to fix my car or learn how to code.

If I need lifestyle, philosophical, or psychological advice, I go to the holy fathers of the Orthodox Church.
I appreciate that you framed it like that.

I would personally amend your final sentence with the addition of a priori. So, "if I need a priori lifestyle, philosophical, or psychological advice...".

Along with @Uzisuicide I have seen plenty of JBP content beyond first principals that has been insightful. But to look to him as a hero, savior, or even definer of first principals is quite nuts to me. Now, with his recent Israel-shill content, I care even less. But much of (not all) the rage I see directed at him is the rage of the impotent masses that he WAS NOT A SAVIOR. In that sense, who except Christ, is?
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Ostrich
Orthodox
Yes every secular idea is antichrist, instead of Christ.

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Carl Jung for example, in his own writing, this is the same sort of antichrist philosophy. This sort of mumbo jumbo just reads as completely useless next to the wisdom of the holy fathers.

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What is the use of any of this?

These quotes are just scratching the surface of Jung.

The man appears to have dabbled heavily in the occult, and promoted some kind of gnostic monism.

Again, Jung is the man Peterson is heavily influenced by. Peterson's entire Bible lecture series is based on Jung.

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Northumber

Sparrow
Protestant
I don't think all secular endeavours are bad. If you need to learn practical skills, like computer programming or car mechanics, then you obviously turn to secular sources. If you need to make money to feed your family, then you usually take a secular job, for example as a tradesman or a lawyer.

The problem is when secular philosophies take the place of religion -- which is what happens with lifestyle gurus like Jordan Peterson. Peterson even interprets the Bible along Jungian lines, which is just pure blasphemy if you carefully listen to what Peterson is saying.
Are practical skills like programming and mechanics necessarily secular? They could be done ultimately for Christ (supporting a family, help spread the Gospel, etc.). I'll concede you'll have to reference sources and use tools developed by secular people. They probably did not have a Christ ordered intent in its development and rather an unconscious anti-Christ intent; but a faithful Christian hopefully has his intent ordered a little better.

The "intent" part is what I listen to with JP. He seems to be laboring for some kind of progress or religious epiphany that will bring a synchronous enlightenment for religious people. ....which would be an anti-Christ endeavor.
 
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