The Jordan Peterson thread

Lawrence87

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Does that include Saul of Tarsus? Thankfully Christ set out a path for us to redeem ourselves through him. We were all lost at some point. And yes, there is even hope for the 'one step above Hitler' Jordan Peterson. :)
Of course, but as it stands, and as I outlined above I believe Peterson is portraying a false image of Christ, and he is leading people towards a false Christ. At least Saul was overtly an enemy of Christ before his conversion, Peterson appears to people as a friend of Christ, and he may even believe this to be so himself, but until the words "Christ is our Lord and God and Saviour" come out of his mouth, he is just using Him as a tool for his own psychological schtick.

That doesn't mean to say there is no hope for him. But as it stands, he is leading people away from Christ God, towards some kind of useful archetype idea that he professes. This is blasphemy and as a Christian I have to point it out as such, especially when other Christians emphatically cling to his every word as though he were professing the True Christ.
 

paternos

Kingfisher
Catholic
Of course, but as it stands, and as I outlined above I believe Peterson is portraying a false image of Christ, and he is leading people towards a false Christ. At least Saul was overtly an enemy of Christ before his conversion, Peterson appears to people as a friend of Christ, and he may even believe this to be so himself, but until the words "Christ is our Lord and God and Saviour" come out of his mouth, he is just using Him as a tool for his own psychological schtick.

That doesn't mean to say there is no hope for him. But as it stands, he is leading people away from Christ God, towards some kind of useful archetype idea that he professes. This is blasphemy and as a Christian I have to point it out as such, especially when other Christians emphatically cling to his every word as though he were professing the True Christ.
Well said.

@Uzisuicide I don't get your alliance to Peterson.
When people attack those that I like I stick up for them. Especially when I deem it as unfair.
But maybe it's as you say, that you like him and you feel some of us are attacking your friend and you here stand up for him.

Maybe the conclusion is, quite some people think here Peterson is bad news, and you think he isn't or at least less, or useful in way bringing people to church.

Personally I wouldn't point 1 person to him if he wants to know about Christ. I will say, stay away from him, far far away.
 

homersheineken

Pelican
Protestant
Why can't Jordan Peterson be mocked and criticised for his bias in favour of Zionist Jews? Whether you personally like Peterson, and disagree with this critique is irrelevant, why can't he be called out for this by people who take issue with it? Is there something about Jews that means they can't be criticised? Is it wrong to criticise them based on their influence in the financial system, the media, the fact that they are pushing the Globohomo agenda, that they push for abortion and so forth? Of course there are people of Jewish heritage who are not involved in this kind of stuff, there are Jews who are not Zionists and are critical of Israel and so forth, but when you look at the pushers of degeneracy, pornography, leftism, abortion, and so forth, you see an overwhelming representation of Jews. What is wrong with calling this out, and calling Peterson out for his backing of it? We mustn't do it because they are Jews?
Kanye, is that you? :)
 

budoslavic

Eagle
Orthodox
Gold Member
Of course, but as it stands, and as I outlined above I believe Peterson is portraying a false image of Christ, and he is leading people towards a false Christ. At least Saul was overtly an enemy of Christ before his conversion, Peterson appears to people as a friend of Christ, and he may even believe this to be so himself, but until the words "Christ is our Lord and God and Saviour" come out of his mouth, he is just using Him as a tool for his own psychological schtick.

Peterson is hijacking Christianity by misleading his followers for the Culture Wars. We know he is also misleading himself, too. He doesn’t mean to, but he is.

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Raskolnikov

Woodpecker
Orthodox
Peterson is hijacking Christianity by misleading his followers for the Culture Wars. We know he is also misleading himself, too. He doesn’t mean to, but he is.

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Yeah, I feel like this whole "hey, he opposed "neomarxism"" thing comes from people who never heard of false prophets or the antichrist. Peterson's message fits it perfectly. Empty, loquacious spirituality and ultimately a status quo, pro-elite point of view. He criticizes the elite pro forma as a nebulous group just like Curtis Yarvin does, but he never gets to the point about what it is that separates them from us. And honestly, his sucking up to Hebrews is just sickening. Even to someone who knows nothing about the JQ, what happened since the beginning of the Daily Wire era should provoke feelings of disgust in you. As soon as he meets a Jew, he starts to kiss their behinds intensely and makes these verbose and convolute compliments to them. Absolutely repellant and effeminate.
 

Iacobus

Robin
Orthodox
Does that include Saul of Tarsus? Thankfully Christ set out a path for us to redeem ourselves through him. We were all lost at some point. And yes, there is even hope for the 'one step above Hitler' Jordan Peterson. :)

We're not talking about hypothetical futures we're talking about reality as it currently exists, I don't think anyone in this topic has said anything like "JBP's soul is eternally damned for sure and there is no possible redemption for him." God certainly makes great use of foolish and/or evil people to further ultimate good but that doesn't mean those people aren't foolish and/or evil.
 

Francis

Sparrow
Catholic
I wonder if any philosophically minded members of the forum would agree with something which occurred to me back in 2018: JBP's philosophy - such as it is - has no Ontology - no actual settled understanding of the relationships between things and what it means to be real or what constitutes a substance with an essence versus a property of a substance etc.

When he speaks of 'being' it is always in the same type of formless, untethered and ultimately pointless manner which only clever people who have thought themselves deep into the heartland of stupidity can really pull-off.

It's sad, because an hour or two of honest reading of an introductory text to Aristotelean philosophy or the pre-Socratics would be enough to steer him in the right direction. I do not believe that nobody has pointed this out to him.

This leads me to believe he is choosing to adopt the bizarre disposition of 'well let's think about that... ', 'in some sense...', 'nobody really knows' or 'that' s really something...'

The longer he remains such a people-pleasing chimera the more suspicious I will become of his motives. So far I've seen him as entertaining, usually interesting to listen to and relatively benign.

His opposition to the trans agenda in Canada did appear to be genuinely selfless and heroic and he was one of the first to put his head above the parapet on that issue.
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Ostrich
Orthodox
I wonder if any philosophically minded members of the forum would agree with something which occurred to me back in 2018: JBP's philosophy - such as it is - has no Ontology - no actual settled understanding of the relationships between things and what it means to be real or what constitutes a substance with an essence versus a property of a substance etc.

When he speaks of 'being' it is always in the same type of formless, untethered and ultimately pointless manner which only clever people who have thought themselves deep into the heartland of stupidity can really pull-off.

It's sad, because an hour or two of honest reading of an introductory text to Aristotelean philosophy or the pre-Socratics would be enough to steer him in the right direction. I do not believe that nobody has pointed this out to him.

This leads me to believe he is choosing to adopt the bizarre disposition of 'well let's think about that... ', 'in some sense...', 'nobody really knows' or 'that' s really something...'

The longer he remains such a people-pleasing chimera the more suspicious I will become of his motives. So far I've seen him as entertaining, usually interesting to listen to and relatively benign.

His opposition to the trans agenda in Canada did appear to be genuinely selfless and heroic and he was one of the first to put his head above the parapet on that issue.

It's simpler than that.

Ask yourself if you can understand what he is trying to say, or if it is just an empty word salad.

True intellectuals take effort to make themselves understood, even if their work is difficult.
 

Salt and Pepper

Pigeon
Orthodox Inquirer
Yeah, I feel like this whole "hey, he opposed "neomarxism"" thing comes from people who never heard of false prophets or the antichrist. Peterson's message fits it perfectly. Empty, loquacious spirituality and ultimately a status quo, pro-elite point of view. He criticizes the elite pro forma as a nebulous group just like Curtis Yarvin does, but he never gets to the point about what it is that separates them from us. And honestly, his sucking up to Hebrews is just sickening. Even to someone who knows nothing about the JQ, what happened since the beginning of the Daily Wire era should provoke feelings of disgust in you. As soon as he meets a Jew, he starts to kiss their behinds intensely and makes these verbose and convolute compliments to them. Absolutely repellant and effeminate.
Curtis Yarvin/Moldbug's entire grift is making technocracy seem "based", that's why he's against religion and nationalism.
 

bk19xsa

Robin
I wonder if any philosophically minded members of the forum would agree with something which occurred to me back in 2018: JBP's philosophy - such as it is - has no Ontology - no actual settled understanding of the relationships between things and what it means to be real or what constitutes a substance with an essence versus a property of a substance etc.

When he speaks of 'being' it is always in the same type of formless, untethered and ultimately pointless manner which only clever people who have thought themselves deep into the heartland of stupidity can really pull-off.

It's sad, because an hour or two of honest reading of an introductory text to Aristotelean philosophy or the pre-Socratics would be enough to steer him in the right direction. I do not believe that nobody has pointed this out to him.

This leads me to believe he is choosing to adopt the bizarre disposition of 'well let's think about that... ', 'in some sense...', 'nobody really knows' or 'that' s really something...'

The longer he remains such a people-pleasing chimera the more suspicious I will become of his motives. So far I've seen him as entertaining, usually interesting to listen to and relatively benign.

His opposition to the trans agenda in Canada did appear to be genuinely selfless and heroic and he was one of the first to put his head above the parapet on that issue.

His philosophy is on purpose. He chooses to have no ontology. It's an atheist philosophy of "act as if God exists". That is a contradiction.

"God exists, therefore you act". Peterson knows this but he does not want to acknowledge or explore this publicly because it will cost him his revenue via losing his business relstionships and his circle of friends.
 

DanielH

Hummingbird
Moderator
Orthodox
Now this gutless immoral fraud is running cover for the porn industry.


Seems this guy's only job is to spread confusion. "What is God? What is "is"? What is being?" And to answer your question, renaissance nudes shouldn't be nude. It was perverted then and it's perverted now. It's obscene. Ham was cursed for looking at his father and sharing the fact that his father, Noah, was naked, and we're supposed to think "oh but it's a cool statue!" No. Would Noah want a naked depiction of himself in a church? I don't think so.

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^ That is what a real temple to God looks like. No nudity.
 

Bird

Ostrich
Catholic
Interesting. What does this interview say about Father Josiah Trenham?
The Interview was uploaded in early 2019.
(I haven't listened to the podcast yet)


The Significance of the Work of Dr. Jordan Peterson
An interview with Father Josiah Trenham

Patristic Nectar Publications is pleased to present the following interview given by Father Josiah to local media on the subject of the rising influence of Dr. Jordan Peterson. This interview was given following a recent lecture given by Dr. Peterson in Riverside, California at which Fr. Josiah made Dr. Peterson's acquaintance.


patristicnectar.org/video
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Let's tone down the rhetoric down about him. We can critique in ways without getting personal.
Jordan Peterson played an instrumental role for me in my early - political - stages of being initiated into the truth. I consider hem to be a stepping stone, not necessarily an end stage in the pursuit for truth. One can have some views that are on, and some that are off, but I get the impression that some here expect him to be as well informed and have the same perspective as a fr Spyridon, and that everything less than that falls short. That's just not a standard we can hold everyone in the truth sphere too. People are looking, people are searching, people are figuring it out. Give them some credit - unless they have outright bad intentions assume they have good intentions and are on the journey as well, just like us.
 

Eusebius Erasmus

Ostrich
Orthodox
Interesting. What does this interview say about Father Josiah Trenham?
The Interview was uploaded in early 2019.
(I haven't listened to the podcast yet)


The Significance of the Work of Dr. Jordan Peterson
An interview with Father Josiah Trenham

Patristic Nectar Publications is pleased to present the following interview given by Father Josiah to local media on the subject of the rising influence of Dr. Jordan Peterson. This interview was given following a recent lecture given by Dr. Peterson in Riverside, California at which Fr. Josiah made Dr. Peterson's acquaintance.


patristicnectar.org/video

Fr. Josiah was wrong when it comes to Jordan Peterson, and I even wrote him to tell him as much. Sometimes Fr. Josiah gets a bit carried away with the Culture War, but that is understandable given his parish is in California.

Ultimately, I don't think that Fr. Josiah is a bad priest, and many on this forum have received value from his sermons. We all make mistakes, even many saints have fallen into error -- but we don't condemn them.
 
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