The June 26 and June 27, 2019 Democratic Debates Thread

TigerMandingo

 
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I never really noticed before but these debates aren’t actually debates. A debate is the sharing of ideas and when you interview someone, let them voice their views, and have a counter - argument. That’s not what’s going on here. Nothing of substance was said at these things. These are just a bunch of clowns paraded before the public to give them the illusion of choice.

Notice how besides Yang there’s just a total refusal to discuss policy in a meaningful way. These “debates” are the equivalent of comic book movies - entertainment for the masses.

Y’all can vote Trump, Yang, whoever you want. But it’s obvious to me at this point that we’re being played, and I refuse to participate in this little charade.
 
My takeaways, watched both nights.

The first debate, "undercard debate", was a bit of a joke. Warren naturally got most the attention. Booker, Sparticus, came off poorly with the forced Spanish. Beto was pandering as well and didn't answer anything. He's so apologetic at this point good chance his campaign is tanked. Tulsi got almost no time. Rest of the field had poor performance.

Second debate was bad, but in a different way. Everyone in that field is going full progressive with support of massive gun control, medicare for all, and unchecked illegal immigration/ amnesty. Biden is showing his age. The new age chick was funny, I had heard of her before, and it was funny listening to a new age hippy providing comic relief from the rest of the field. Bernie took a strong jab at the end of the debate at everyone on the stage, but should have gone further and said the whole process was rigged (in 16) and prevented him from getting the nomination. Was refreshing to stronger calls for no more wars though. Pete Buttigeg, who is this Clintonesque, Obamaesque, charismatic Oxford-educated intellectual type, and young, like JFK, seems to be being set up for the nomination. I wonder who is behind him? We may never again see a heterosexual white male nominated by the democratic party for president given how deep the DNC is going with identity politics. Andrew Yang made a poor showing in terms of speaking time--less than 3 minutes the least of anyone-- but I suspect the power elites don't want his messages being spread for free: not interested in UBI, taxing tech, running on a policy platform to beat trump (as opposed to identity politics). It emerged today that NBC purposely was not turning on his mic.

This cycle turning out to be just as much as a joke as the last one. Rigged, indeed for some of the democrats:

"Andrew Yang says microphone was 'not on' at times during Democratic debate" // The Hill
Democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang claimed his microphone was "not on" a few times when he attempted to jump in during Thursday night's Democratic debate in Miami.

"There were also a few times, FYI, where I just started talking, being like, 'Hey, I want to add something there,' and my mic was not on," Yang said while speaking to supporters after the event. "And it's this sort of thing where, it's not like if you started talking, it takes over the [conversation]. It's like I was talking, but nothing was happening. And it was like, 'Oh f---.' So that happened a bit too."

The allegation from the tech entrepreneur comes as an analysis by The Hill shows Yang had the least amount of speaking time of all the 20 candidates who participated in the two nights of debates that took place Wednesday and Thursday.

NBC later pushed back on Yang's claims, telling The Hill "At no point during the debate was any candidate's microphone turned off or muted.”

As Tiger said^^, the debates aren't really debates. This stems from the fact that the moderators refuse to strictly control the debates, and give everyone equal speaking time. It cannot be a debate if equal time limits are not enforced. If you have further doubts, just look who gets put in the center both nights, and who doesn't. It would be much fairer to assign stage positions based on random assignments.

The format is flawed, but probably intentional. It looks like everyone is getting a fair shot, but they've already determined the outcome. It would be much more honest to just narrow the field down to Harris, Biden, Buttigeg and maybe Warren and exclude everyone else. Bernie is not going to get the DNC nomination anyway. They already rigged it once against him.
 

El Chinito loco

 
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Jaydublin said:
Does anybody have an idea on what the average democrat thinks of the debates? Not the new young socialists but an old school middle class working type.

r/politics on reddit is a pretty good slice of coastal democrats which comprise most of their voting bloc. If you want to know what they think then you can usually get a good idea by doing some casual browsing there. You have to consider the left is also gaslighted and censored hard by their establishment people as well. The establishment is obviously trying to funnel all media attention to mostly Biden, Harris, and Buttjugs. These are the top 3 establishment horses being pushed.

Comments praising Tulsi Gabbard get mysteriously censored or downvoted.

The supposed popular consensus (which is probably brigaded by all sorts of reddit DNC shills/staffers) is that Elizabeth Warren somehow "won" the first debate. For the second debate they also think that Harris won which is ridiculous. All she did was cunt nag Biden for one soundbite and then throw out wahmen/black platitudes for the rest.

There's a lot of establishment left morons and cat ladies on reddit though but I would say this is the popular consensus right now.

I don't see as much Bernie mania as 2016 anymore. He is pretty much done. The DNC strategy of pushing through all sorts of candidates to detract from his base is working so far.

There also appears to be a bit of a regional split amongst Democrat voters but I don't have polling data to back this up. It seems that west coast Democrats favor Kamala Harris and Sanders. East coast favors Warren, Buttjugs, and Biden. Speaking as someone who has followed CA politics for a couple decades now I will say that Harris is absolute trash if not outright evil. If you believe in accelerationist decline then Harris would be a worthy flag bearer for that.
 

CynicalContrarian

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TigerMandingo said:
I never really noticed before but these debates aren’t actually debates. A debate is the sharing of ideas and when you interview someone, let them voice their views, and have a counter - argument. That’s not what’s going on here. Nothing of substance was said at these things. These are just a bunch of clowns paraded before the public to give them the illusion of choice.

Notice how besides Yang there’s just a total refusal to discuss policy in a meaningful way. These “debates” are the equivalent of comic book movies - entertainment for the masses.

Y’all can vote Trump, Yang, whoever you want. But it’s obvious to me at this point that we’re being played, and I refuse to participate in this little charade.


Even before Trump I was inclined to think of Washington D.C. as mere theater.
Now it's simply more a clown show.
 
r/politics on reddit is a pretty good slice of coastal democrats which comprise most of their voting bloc. If you want to know what they think then you can usually get a good idea by doing some casual browsing there. You have to consider the left is also gaslighted and censored hard by their establishment people as well. The establishment is obviously trying to funnel all media attention to mostly Biden, Harris, and Buttjugs. These are the top 3 establishment horses being pushed.

I don't know if there's anything such as an establishment democrat more, even biden who is garden variety neo-con moderate democrat, looks oddly out of touch with the rest of the field, as everyone tries to veer to the left to get the nomination. Another thing to consider is the fact that Silicon Valley and media are openly picking sides in the race, and general elections too (doing it with algorithms), and given the heavy censorship of reddit (icluding pages) and also what shows up on the front page, you have to take every apperance of organicness with skepticism. Internal google docs too show how crazy it's getting.

Comments praising Tulsi Gabbard get mysteriously censored or downvoted.
Agreed. Also the amount of speaking time she got. What sets her apart is her obvious anti-war stance. And also meeting Assad.

The supposed popular consensus (which is probably brigaded by all sorts of reddit DNC shills/staffers) is that Elizabeth Warren somehow "won" the first debate. For the second debate they also think that Harris won which is ridiculous. All she did was cunt nag Biden for one soundbite and then throw out wahmen/black platitudes for the rest.

I have no idea how progressive she will be in the general if she gets the nom, but certainly more progressive than Obama years ago. She's also calling for reparations I think. Which is just crazy what that could entail.

I don't see as much Bernie mania as 2016 anymore. He is pretty much done. The DNC strategy of pushing through all sorts of candidates to detract from his base is working so far.
DNC's goal was to push the field leftward by co-opting bernie's ideas, so we thus see the establishment players like Harris and Biden sounding almost like a carbon copy of him. Remember, Bernie is anti-war.

It was also hilarious that they caught de Blasio, not his real name, the other day using a Che quote in Miami of all places.

Mayor Bill de Blasio faced a fresh round of questioning Friday about co-opting a Communist rallying cry made famous by Che Guevara – and offered up the same lame excuse.

“You can ask 1,000 times and I will give you the same answer: I had no idea it was associated with any one individual,” de Blasio said during an unrelated news conference at Manhattan’s Bellevue Hospital.

“If I had known it was associated, I wouldn’t have used it. Period.”

De Blasio – who studied Latin American history for his master’s degree and traveled to Nicaragua in 1988 to support the Guevara-inspired Sandinista government – outraged Miami’s Hispanic community on Thursday when he publicly quoted the bloodthirsty revolutionary.

“Hasta la victoria, siempre!” de Blasio said in Spanish to striking workers at the Miami International Airport.

His stock which was not bad the other day, is shot. Also the guy spent his honeymoon in havanna and met with the sandinistas. Laughable.

If we want to go down the Russia rabithole, maybe foreign governments are pushing (online narrative, online support) for a socialist candidate so the US can be economically weakened via the largest introduction of social programs since Johnson, or even FDR. I would find that much more palatable than the theories about extensive Russian interference in '16.
 
El Chinito loco said:
For the second debate they also think that Harris won which is ridiculous. All she did was cunt nag Biden for one soundbite and then throw out wahmen/black platitudes for the rest.

The bit of coverage I watched on the JF podcast he had some kind of poll showing opinion shifting over to favor Kamala Harridan, and I was gobsmacked having actually seen the debate. My mom's consistently voted democrat since the 1950s and hates Trump with a passion, but even she said she'd vote for Trump over that witch. The mainstream media has genuinely learned nothing from 2016 and still think they get to decide what reality is, or I suppose more accurately the lesson they learned is that if they want to decide reality they just need to make sure to censor the internet while they're doing it.
 

Thrill Jackson

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Normies at work are even telling my the Democratic debates were trash.

Internet censorship is about to go down in a drastic way because of this. They were just getting started with the quarantine of the sub Reddit the Donald.
 

Leonard D Neubache

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Or consider the alternative.

The Democrat powerbrokers are only pushing ridiculous candidates because losing is part of the plan.

With Trump in the Oval Office Red America is neutered from its revolutionary zeal and the frothing anti-American mobs still rail against heritage America without anything to stop them.

Hence Trump has done nothing much to dislodge the deep state by, for example, clearing out the DOJ and putting in staunch constitutionalists who would go after the Clinton Foundation and every other blatant criminal enterprise operating openly in Washington, or at least might protect his supporters from being bashed in the streets.

The uniparty is enjoying the status quo immensely. They get everything they want and Red America has to sit on it's ass and wait for Trump to do something about it, which he never will.

Hence a pack of Dem candidates that are utterly laughable, and the only ones that have appeal are shut out by any means necessary.
 
Leonard D Neubache said:
Hence a pack of Dem candidates that are utterly laughable, and the only ones that have appeal are shut out by any means necessary.

It's more plausible that the well-connected swamp democratic candidates are the ones able to bull their way to the front of the pack and get their buddies in the msm to poo on the idealists and weed them out.
 

Leonard D Neubache

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I don't find it plausible in the least. The idea that the Bidens and Buttigiegs of the world are Machiavellian masterminds has been routinely debunked. They are frontmen put in place to win or lose as their masters see fit. Most of them could barely tie their shoes without the aid of a team of handlers.
 

Easy_C

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Eh....

Here’s the thing LDB. I know a LOT of people like that because I’m from a similar business school,Name brand NYC firm background to these guys and know some similar folks in the making. Without going into too much detail people I’ve met include a current CFR member, a CEO who was at Davos last year, and the chairman of a well known tech company.

Most of these types are actually extremely competent.....but ONLY at the skills that this white people, “prestigious” office environment requires. They can make amazing presentations, compile astounding recommendations, and are ruthlessly good at networking and office political games. They also are genera analytically smart a thing least to the level of being able to do things like build a financial forecast without fucking it up.


However this type is also a slave to this environment. Because everyone in this environment is so political in their speech, none of them have ever handled a more hostile crowd or a working class environment(so you get things like Buttitgig falling apart when dealing with an angry black crowd). They have zero street smarts because they live in apartment condos and offices filled with other urban white liberals. Anything mechanical? Forget it because most grew up rich. Even if they did have those skills 20+ years focused solely office presentations and networking have led to the those skills atrophying.


Basically they’re good at one only two things: performing some abstract discipline practiced from a New York high rise, and a “Networking” skill that basically amounts to finding the right ass to kiss and then kissing it so hard a freight train couldn’t pull their lips off that sweet, sweet, boss man ass.



They got where they are by being exceptionally good at conforming basically, and they are so focused on the abstract that they have long since lost any ability to differentiate between the abstract and the real. It is that ability to think purely in the abstract that allows them to tour through a decaying husk of a rural town and convince themselves that it isn’t actually real because Obama “reduced unemployment” so much.
 

Thomas Jackson

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Kamala really is horrible. A quick run summary of key facts that are not well known.

1. Half jamaican/half indian - always plays up black victim card even though her father came here by choice has benefited tremendously as a result. His book also mentions a white great grandma who was a slave-owner.
2. Got a job by having an affair with a married Willie Brown who was mayor of San fran.
3. Tried to talk about attending the first desegregated California schools in attacking Biden, which is blatantly false as California schools werent segregated at the time.
4. Childless and married to a big shot (((lawyer)))
 

CynicalContrarian

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Cause of the Mike Cernovich linked political activist type on Twitter - Ali.
Who pointed out the basic truths of Kamala's background.
The fake news media crowd are now ranting about 'Birtherism 2.0'... :rolleyes:


@ali
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My tweet is ridiculously viral. You're welcome, America!

Indian-Jamaican Kamala Harris is bad for Black Americans.

#BlackHillary

@JoeTalkShow
Just had a caller who says @KamalaHarris is not African American -- she is Indian and Jamaican. Wikipedia agrees -- but, can be wrong. Ms. Harris -- what's your heritage? Last night you said, "as the only Black person on stage, I'd like to speak to race." @SenKamalaHarris


@ali
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HUFFPO: "Racist tweets claim the senator doesn’t represent American blacks because her dad’s from Jamaica."

How is it "racist" if I — a biracial Black man, actual descendant of Black American Slaves — simply cite that fact that Kamala Harris was born to an Indian and a Jamaican?

@ali
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NEWS: A reporter told me that the Harris campaign is pissed at me. They asked one reporter if they could find any ties between me and the Joe Biden campaign. The reporter informed them that I'm a Republican (worked for John McCain in 2008).

Strategy is to call it Birtherism 2.0

@ali
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My friend Jason texts me with an important point.

Many of us "insiders" knew Kamala Harris was the favorite of the Press and DNC, but how the Press just came after me (more than any candidate for even President) proves that we're messing with a broader plan.

"Protect Kamala"
 

El Chinito loco

 
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I don't know if Kamala is black or not but she looks to me like any other indian-american wahmens type person you would see in a California suburb.

I think she is mostly Indian heritage by my estimate and this is probably why blacks get pissed off at her posing. She doesn't pass the one drop rule in their eyes like Tiger Woods or something. She looks fairly Indian to me as well and I guess they can't be hoodwinked enough by this or her fake jive talk to pass muster.

The fact that she rode Willie Brown into politics is hilarious too. She's complete scum in my opinion. A glorified prostitute with less morals.
 

Dusty

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Thomas Jackson said:
Kamala really is horrible. A quick run summary of key facts that are not well known.

1. Half jamaican/half indian - always plays up black victim card even though her father came here by choice has benefited tremendously as a result. His book also mentions a white great grandma who was a slave-owner.
2. Got a job by having an affair with a married Willie Brown who was mayor of San fran.
3. Tried to talk about attending the first desegregated California schools in attacking Biden, which is blatantly false as California schools werent segregated at the time.
4. Childless and married to a big shot (((lawyer)))

kamala-harris-husband-douglas-emhoff.jpg


That’s her husband. Looks Irish.
 

El Chinito loco

 
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Dusty said:
1. Half jamaican/half indian - always plays up black victim card even though her father came here by choice has benefited tremendously as a result. His book also mentions a white great grandma who was a slave-owner.


A quadroon dindu-indian of carribbean descent married to a Jew. Truly the pinnacle of western civilization at this point.

I read that even her Jamaican father was disgusted with her black wannabe rhetoric with regards to pot smoking. He probably knows she's a degenerate from the start. Fucking and sucking her way to prominence.

A father rarely turns on the high profile daughter in this way.

The only white pill about this is that she has no children possibly because her womb is so polluted from all the dicks, drugs, and STIs. The hard pounding by so many men over the years in congressional orgies has worn her uterus out saving us from at least the dindu-indian dynasty.
 
Leonard D Neubache said:
I don't find it plausible in the least. The idea that the Bidens and Buttigiegs of the world are Machiavellian masterminds has been routinely debunked. They are frontmen put in place to win or lose as their masters see fit. Most of them could barely tie their shoes without the aid of a team of handlers.

They just seem dumb because they're specialists. They have no skills whatsoever beyond knowing which butts to kiss, but a guy like Biden has spent his whole life kissing the right butts to the point where he can taste the oak and tell you the precise year of any given vintage.
 

911

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This is mostly an internal battle between different factions of the Dem establishment. Buttgig is the pet project of the Pritzkers, managed by David Axelrod, they've created Obama. Kamala is the SF establishment pawn, Biden the East Coast main cog, Warren the Cape Cod type and so on.
 

Foolsgo1d

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Uprising said:
These debates are focusing more on non-American citizens instead of American citizens. They are focusing entire segments on how the American government can help non-citizens.

I wonder why these people never wanted mass immigration from Ukraine? They scream Russia, Russia, Russia, and yet keep their mouths silent about Ukrainians who might want to come here. Guess it would be racist to let Europeans into this country.

Just think, when the Hart-Cellar bill came around they said it wouldn't change the demographics of this country. 50 years later, American Presidential Candidates debate for half the time about how to help non-citizens.

I really hope other countries watch us. We are an example of how not to run a nation.

EDIT - Now they're talking about decriminalizing coming into this country illegally. This country is a joke.

Well they know where a good chunk of the US population will be from in the coming decades so its no surprise the pandering to them is ramping up.

I dont see what other countries experiencing mass immigration can learn from the US when they're all as cucked as each other. Mainland Western countries are getting swamped.

If there are lessons to be learned its to look at Japan.

This isn't a question of fighting back through demographs because that boat has sailed. You're getting in too many and already have too many. Time is the only thing now sheltering the EU countries and the US.

Politics will always follow demographs.
 
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