The Kanye West thread


debeguiled said:
Athanasius said:
As does Kerry Livgren (Kansas), who wrote a lot of their songs and was involved in Urantia before his conversion. He wrote a book years ago about it.

I don't remember if there was a conversion biography, but Keith Green... Biography was No Compromise. That pretty much sums up Keith Green in two words. Guy had drifters coming in off the street living in his house. Amazing man.

Thanks for the info on Livgren, will check it out. You could tell from the start by their lyrics that Kansas was a band delving deep into life.

By the way, I saw an amazing documentary about Keith Green. He has one of the most amazing stories out there, and I had never heard of him before seeing it.

He made the great point that everyone is in your corner when you are searching for the truth, however when you find it, they all fall away or criticize you.

The pose of the seeker. How true.

Slight caveat. While his story is amazing, and you can tell by the reminiscences of his friends and family in the video that he was well loved, Keith Green was extremely annoying in a Cat Stevens sort of way.

Keith Green had unbelievable intensity and energy, just a force of nature. Like I said, he had all these homeless guys living at his house at one point. He would do concerts and berate people about the sheep and the goats and for not becoming missionaries. He was reading Charles Finney (who is largely awful) at that point. Just as he was starting to leave the cage stage, he was taken home in a plane crash. Still, he was all in and a powerful presence, almost like a modern day prophet. And I'm an old school protestant, not a charismatic. I've heard people like James White speak of him with the same admiration. His biography is moving and well worth reading. Great songwriter, too: Easter Song, O Lord You're Beautiful, Create in Me a Clean Heart, Your Love Broke Through, etc. Here's one of his songs that this guy does an incredibly good cover of (apologies to other readers as we've derailed this from Kanye West)...



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This pretty much sums up the stigma against Christian Rock
I get it. You see the corpse paint, the inverted crosses, the sheep’s heads skewered on mic stands, and you think, “Wow, this is one Satanic-ass band.” It’s an understandable reaction, however, the truth is that you couldn’t be more mistaken. My band Rat Christ is completely secular and is in no way affiliated with the Church of Satan. End of story. All my band-mates and I are way into the Devil, of course, but frankly, I don’t see what that has to do with anything.

It’s pretty funny, actually! Hardly a day goes by without someone asking me, “Didn’t you change your name to ‘Belphegor the Pope-Choker’? Sounds pretty Satanic to me.” I can’t deny it. That’s true. But that’s not my music; that’s just me. I changed my name as an expression of the personal, private relationship I share with the Deceiver, and I don’t think that’s hard to understand. Many musicians have firm religious convictions, and we should respect that practice whether they worship the Accuser or any other pathetic pig god.

Do my beliefs influence my art? Of course! The word “Satan” is in every song I’ve ever written. But it’s all about context. When I say “Satan” in a song, it’s figurative—I’m expressing a wholesome spirit of rebellion. When I say “Satan” in this blog, I’m referring to the Lightbringer who will soon reclaim the Earth of course, but again, that’s just me, not my music.

“But Belphegor,” you’re saying, “doesn’t Rat Christ’s first album have a song called ‘A List of Real Churches in Need of Literal Burning?” Yeah, you caught me! In Rat Christ’s early days, we were indeed tied to the Church of Satan. But then that first album didn’t sell, and around that time we coincidentally decided to distance ourselves from the Church. This upset our fans, but we were sending a message: our music should be enjoyed by everyone in the record-buying public, Christ-loving swine included.

I understand if Rat Christ’s music can come across as “preachy.” I can’t help it! I can only be who I am, and I’m a guy who loves the shit out of Satan. But rest assured that our music is for everyone. If you need proof, you’re in luck! Our new album “The Glorious Convent Orgy” drops this Friday. Check it out! And no worries if you don’t buy it. I’ll say a special prayer for you anyway.


Kim Kardashian declares she’s returning to ‘Traditional Moral Values’ and will dress more modest in the future.

“I do think that you know, he is my husband, so, I obviously want to honor him and what he’s feeling. And he’s been going through this life change, and it’s mostly about the kids.”
– Kim Kardashian

Wow, this is very surprising. You think Kim can become a "housewife" considering her past? I hope so and it would be best for her family's sake.



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"I might legally change my name to Christian Genius Billionaire Kanye West for a year until y'all understand exactly what it is… It will be on the license plate."

West also referred to Yeezy as "the Apple of apparel" and discussed his new sustainable "seed-to-sew" approach in Wyoming, a failed LVMH-Yeezy deal, and his domed housing debacle.
During the fifth annual Fast Company Innovation Festival in New York on Thursday, Kanye West surprised the crowd by showing up for a panel discussion along with Yeezy head footwear designer Steven Smith, in their first public outing together. As they unveiled the new Yeezy sneaker, partly made from an eco-friendly algae fiber, the 42-year-old musician-entrepreneur proclaimed: "Yeezy is the Apple of apparel."

Then, in form, he dropped a load of shock-and-awe news — thoughts of legally changing his name to Christian Genius Billionaire Kanye West for a year, a new Cody, Wyoming, Yeezy headquarters, the company's goal to bring manufacturing to the U.S., and how an LVMH-Yeezy deal was pulled years before his friend Virgil Abloh was named creative director of menswear at Louis Vuitton last year — a move that he alludes was a slap in the face.

On a 2024 Presidential Run

"When I run for President in 2024," West began, interrupted by an outbreak of laughter in the audience. "What y'all laughing at? We would create so many jobs! I'm not going to run, I'm going to walk. When you see headlines saying Kanye's crazy — one in three African Americans are in jail and all the celebrities are in jail also because they can't say nothing, they got no opinion, they're so scared!"

On Dad Shoes

"They call him the dad of the dad’s shoes," said West of Smith, who formerly worked everywhere from New Balance, Reebok, Nike and FILA and developed the silhouette before its recent style revival. His first design for Yeezy "sold out in 6.5 minutes," noted Smith. "We were before the movement, the resurgence of the dad craze," said West. "And there was a photograph of me wearing a really big version of the shoe that we showed in the season 5 [Yeezy] fashion show. And the paparazzi is great sometimes, because they caught me wearing this shoe a week before the Balenciaga show that had the triple S [sneakers] in it."

On An LVMH-Yeezy Deal That Fell Through

Speaking of his long-time friendship with Virgil Abloh, appointed creative director of menswear at Louis Vuitton last year, making history as the first African American to hold that position in the house’s 164-year history, West revealed that the appointment was a blow, following his own deal with LVMH years earlier that fell through. After Kim Kardashian West was robbed at gunpoint in Paris on Oct. 3, 2016 and he was hospitalized for exhaustion, West says that Bernard Arnault told him, "We’re going to back your line." And then West received a call from Arnault's son, Alexandre, notifying him that they had pulled the deal.

Fast forward to 2018. "Bernard Arnault could have picked anyone he wanted to be the head of Louis Vuitton and who was it? And as I got on that flight, [to Virgil’s first show in Paris in June 2018] I knew I had to go. Because if I didn’t go and give Virgil that hug, who was I then? No one knew that the deal had been pulled. No one knew that that was the beginning of me going to the hospital. No one knew how this game is."

On Design Rules

Speaking of their design collaboration, Smith said, "The thing I love about Kanye is the rules are all gone. Everything we've every done has just been smashed to pieces and we think about things totally different. It's liberating creativity like I've never experienced before. We're not pawns behind a desk where it's pre-programmed. With Ye it's just like ‘Go!’" West’s only parameters are no laces and no stitching. "I don’t want to go to Sunday Service and have to retie my shoes seven times in the middle of the service!" said West. "We took the word ‘try’ out of it and we just ‘do’ like Yoda says!"

On Sustainability, Wyoming Headquarters

"We moved the [Yeezy] headquarters to Cody, Wyoming," said West, adding that the building restrictions are "way lax," thereby allowing him more freedom to build and to think. Comparing the rural location to the Wright brothers living in Dayton, Ohio, he said, "They needed a place to think or we wouldn't have flight today; if the world only knew the capabilities of what we have, the press can get out of the way..."

West owns a 4,000-acre ranch in Cody, which he reportedly purchased for $14 million in September, along with other properties. "We're going to be farming and going seed to sew and have our own cotton, hydroponic farm, hemp farm, and wheat farm...and getting into how we can have less impact with the dyes, because our colors are a big signature of the brand. But also dyeing is one of the main things that's impacting the planet in the fashion industry, so just being responsible from A to Z. Within the next two years, our goal is to bring the manufacturing back to America, South America, and North America and bring it back stateside, also to present jobs for people back here."

Pulling the latest Yeezy sneaks out of a bag, while explaining that the material included a new algae fiber "harvested from ponds so eco concerns are intersecting with what we do," Smith said, "These are the future of Yeezy. These were just made in Atlanta yesterday in the U.S., pre-production. … We’re going to bring jobs back here and we're going to make Yeezys in America."

On Economic Empowerment

Last month, Forbes estimated that Yeezy will bring in over $1.5 billion in sales in 2019 and has recently referred to him as a billionaire. But in June, the publication ranked him fourth amongst the world’s wealthiest hip-hop artist, with an estimated net worth of $240 million. But he’s over the "millionaire" hump and wants to be acknowledged.

"Martin Luther King didn’t get killed because he had a dream; he had something else he was gong to talk about. He talked about black empowerment, economic empowerment," said West. "When I did Forbes, I showed them a $890 million receipt and they still didn’t say ‘billionaire.’ They don’t want us to know that we can buy land; they don’t want us to have the 100 percent ownership [that] I have at Yeezy. …When people say it's crass to call yourself a billionaire, I say I might legally change my name to Christian Genius Billionaire Kanye West for a year until y'all understand exactly what it is… It will be on the license plate."

On The Teardown of his Domed Homes

West owns 312 acres in Calabasas, on which he built a series of domed housing structures, reportedly to serve as low-income housing, until the county ordered him to tear them down in September.

"One of the domes was 10 feet too high. We were just testing it and we were going to take it down anyway," said West, expressing his frustration that local officials went to the media before working it out with him directly. "Homes are a big representation of classes and separation and protectionism. The idea that somehow this one little fence can make the difference, this gated fence can make the difference. To say this person hasn’t made it in life [and] I’ve made it in life to live behind this gate right here!"

He continued: "The most healing medication possible is love. The greatest thing we as humans have is each other. We need to be close to each other, but industry has designed cities where the house has to be a certain amount of distance from the school or your job, so that you have to get in car or take public transportation. The world is set up to make us think that we need to have less children when children is the greatest thing and the closest thing to God that we have. So we have to reengineer the cities!"

Christian Genius Billionaire 2024


Joel Osteen Leads Kanye West To Top Of Lakewood Church To Tempt Him With All The Kingdoms Of The Earth In Their Splendor

Joel Osteen, pastor of America’s largest megachurch immediately called up Kanye when he heard about the musician’s newfound Christian faith and immense star appeal.

Kanye was invited to a Sunday service at Lakewood Church. Meeting with West earlier this week, Osteen promised something “really flashy that I know you will like.” Lakewood Church is known to draw 45,000 attendees every week as well as tens of millions of viewers from home. Celebrities such as Oprah have been known to pop in from time to time to be encouraged with positive words of affirmation in attaining wealth, a sure sign of God’s blessing.

Reportedly, Osteen showed Kanye his 17,000-sf, $10 million River Oaks mansion, his sports cars, and his private jet and made several offers to Kanye that he should join Lakewood Church where all these things were possible for Kanye. None of this really impressed Kanye however. Osteen then had an idea. “Let’s head over to the church where there is a really great view.”

Reportedly, it was a very clear day as both men were able to see “all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.” Eyewitnesses say Osteen made Kanye an offer to join Lakewood church and “all this would be yours.”

"To you I will give all this authority and their glory, for it has been delivered to me, and I give it to whom I will," said Osteen with a subtle "hiss" in his voice. "If you will just worship me, it will all be yours."

At publishing time, the nation's Christians were pleading that Kanye would make the right choice.


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Amazing analysis by Jonathan Pageau about the archetype jester characterized by Kanye.

Living in an upside down (clown) world, it is important to give attention to the fools, jesters and clowns around us. The clown world that we live in was brought forth by these entertainers and if they can drag us into that state, they might just be the ones that bring about the reversion from upside down to the right side up.

He is reminded about the prophet Hosea, who was told by God to marry a prostitute during the inverted world of his day, similarly to how Kanye wifed up a Kardashian.

He also mentions King David, who fit this a jester role since his youth.

And much more...

"But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise,..."
This fills me with hope, that God is sovereign even over clown world.


No doubt.

When I was watching your recording of his service I literally said out loud "There is no way this man actually believes in God". His performance was so......theatric. Some of us here have also practiced public speaking so we notice things like canned vocal inflections or pre-practiced movements.

Lately I've started to question the narrative that these megachurch pastors are getting rich because of exploiting their congregations. If you look at the math for some of these guys....calculate their net worth, then add in things like the operating costs of private jets (1-1.5 mil/year), property taxes on multi-million dollar mansions, operating costs of their venue (look up stadium operating costs to develop comparables for a similar sized seating venue) the math simply doesn't add up.

A lot of them are getting a massive stream of income that isn't just coming from donations and book sales. Joel Osteen is possibly believable because mass-market book deals ( quatch like you see in airport book stores) is extremely lucrative and will net you millions but this isn't the case for some of the others who don't have that kind of publishing income.


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You guys like Kanye.

I'll take the American Samoan firefighters, volunteering to help with California wild fires, singing "What a Friend We Have in Jesus" in Samoan to raise everyone else's spirits.

I don't think even one of them stopped to claim to be the greatest living firefighter.

Be humble, help and love the people around you, be joyful. Trust God.

This Kanye stuff is kind of missing the point of the Christian path.

Don't take my word for it though.

Feel a completely different spirit in the singing.



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Roosh said:
Easy_C said:

Kanye just dropped a redpill bomb that's gonna hit a lot of normies hard:

Joel's thinking: "Kanye, you're ruining my hustle!"

“You start to feel like Satan is the most powerful and you start to feel that if you service God in life it means you will not prosper and the only way to prosper is in service to fame,” said Kanye.

“The devil stole all the good producers, the devil stole all the good musicians, all the good artists, all the good designers, all the good business people and said you’ve got to come over and work for me,” he added.

“Jesus has won the victory because now the greatest artist that God has ever created is working for him…All of that arrogance and confidence and cockiness y’all seen me use before, God is now using for Him,” said Kanye.

“We have our own daughters and we’re still rapping about trying to hook up with somebody’s daughter.”

He went on to urge parents about the necessity of “protecting your kids from the indoctrination of the media, the thousands of thousands of images that are fed to children by the age of 6 or 7.”

...images are “purposely mixed in to lower the kid’s super power and esteem so that they can be more susceptible to consumption and feel that they need to consume and become a part of the robotic numeric system that controls so much.”