The Man in the High Castle is Awesome

kaotic

Owl
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The Black Knight said:
kaotic said:
Roosh said:
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So after watching the ten episodes, is it safe to conclude that Hitler in the man in the high castle, and the resistance is controlled by him?

I finished the series over Thanksgiving.

That exactly what I got out of it - I was kind of cheering for Hitler at the end. I was also cheering for Smith.

Joe's kind of in a fucked place and so is Frank's friend Ed, poor bastard took the fall for his best friend.

I just wonder why the last film was different - how could of someone made that ?

What was up with Tagomi meditating into an American SF ? Did he kill himself or was he really just imagining what America would be like ?

Overall I enjoyed the series, I'd like to see another season of it.

I kind of hate it didn't have any finalized conclusion - but they left it open for an additional series.

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I think Tagomi simply went to an alternate (our) timeline; it's highly suggestive he has done it before.

1. He is VERY adamant about peace (cause he has seen it in the alternate timeline)

2. His assistant is from Nagasaki and has burn marks on his forearm; which strongly suggests that the assistant was in our timeline during the atomic bombing but has followed Togomi back somehow to the show's main timeline.

My guess is that Hitler found a way to send information back to himself (the tapes) and therefore, is always able to stay two steps ahead of everyone and always choose the correct path (it why he has a mass collection of tapes; it's every possible timeline outcome). How this is done exactly is obviously unknown and is the real mystery.

It also suggested that Jules possess the time-travel gene; Tagomi fiddling with the heart jewelry frequently and Jules "feeling" about Joe at the end indicate this.

Still a lot of gaps to fill but I like the show. The acting of the main leads (Joe and Jules) could be a better, the show could have better pacing, but it's an interesting show.

Holy shit I didn't realized that.
 

spalex

Kingfisher
waait wait wait.

All that stuff that The Black Knight wrote is all new to me.

I didn't pick up on this whole time travel business. Am I just a dumbass or have you guys read the books?

Fuck this I'm watching it again!
 

Repo

Hummingbird
Very awesome show. Ashamed to admit I was actually rooting for Hitler at the end. They did a great job making the Nazi's real people some of whom were very conflicted, rather than stereotype everyone.
 

Roosh

Cardinal
So I'd guess Hitler has set up a system to ensure all films get sent to him. The films come from the parallel timeline and people like the Trade Minister can go back and forth between timelines, bringing things with them (like films). By creating a "resistance" that places undue importance in films, Hitler is able to stay ahead of the game like TheBlackKnight suggests.

In the second season, the Trade Minister maybe bring back some goodies or knowledge that has huge ramifications in the current timeline.
 

kaotic

Owl
Gold Member
Smith's son being sick is going to affect Smith's decision making. I'll bet he starts questioning the Reich in the Second Season.

I feel like we saw Frank change from a sort of bitchy beta to not quit an Alpha but he's getting there.
 

samsamsam

Peacock
Gold Member
WestIndianArchie said:
I'm depressed that you guys haven't read the book.

WIA

What is a book? :laugh:

I enjoyed watching it, granted it was playing in the background, so I missed a couple of the points that have been discussed here (thanks for sharing). I liked that it is just a what if and has some flexibility in it's story telling.
 

Grit

Kingfisher
*Spoilers*

It's telling that Hitler wants the films for his own personal viewing, instead of for censorship. He wants them for personal viewing, not because they are rebellious. He is watching a film when we finally see him, and we get to see his extensive, prominently displayed collection.

After seeing a film, I would assume a normal person would become obsessed with discovering how the film was made, or who the film came from; not an obsession with possessing more and more of them. The size of his collection seems to be telling. Maybe he knows something that excludes him from pursuing the source, and he is relegated to simply watching the films, over and over, in futlity. Or maybe he hasn't become enlightened enough like Tagomi.
 

Paracelsus

Crow
Gold Member
beta_plus said:
2. The West loses the War on Terror. Most of the world under Sharia Law. I do not have any ideas on how to make it convincing.

The closest you'll get to this is Dan Simmons' novel Flashback, a.k.a. the novel that turned him from visionary darling of science fiction and genre master into Bigoted Rightwing Reactionary Republican(tm).

For a short version, Google his story The Time Traveller. Written in 2006, it's still up on his website for free.


Also: what, somebody made another wildly cool and visionary TV or film out of a Phillip K Dick story? Yyyyyyawwwwn...

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:D
 

spokepoker

Hummingbird
"Screamers" with Peter Weller was a P. K. Dick story as well, also "Impostor" with Gary Sinise, "Paycheck" with Ben Affleck,
There was also the "Total Recall 2070" tv series from the 90's based off parts of different stories, but don't watch it, it sucked.
There's more, but I can't remember them off the top of my head right now.

What story is 'Radio Free Albemuth' from? The Adjustment Burea was 'Adjustment Team', Screamers was 'Second Variety', 'Total Recall was 'We'll Remember it for you wholesale' -I think, and Blade Runner was 'Do Androids dream of sheep'.
 

Repo

Hummingbird
In the book, Hitler is already dead, so if in the show the man in the high castle is indeed Hitler, that is something the show writers changed. My impression fron watching the show was that the man was Hitler though. Interesting how next season plays out, since they have exhausted most book material I believe. . . hopefully the quality doesn't drop too far.
 

Excelsior

Eagle
Gold Member
Excellent show. The intro is incredible, one of the most haunting and fitting I've ever seen on television.



WARNING: SPOILERS BELOW








This intro is beautiful yet depressing at the same time. It is incredible how they took a song meant for an anti-nazi musical and made it into a haunting anthem that almost sounds like it could have been made by the Greater Nazi Reich itself. All I can think about when I hear it is what could have been - where would I be had this world come to pass? I don't come up with good answers when I think about that question (I'm not racially kosher by National Socialist standards, nor do I suspect I'd have been warmly welcomes by the Japanese in their racially conscious, stratified empire), so the haunting tone of the song fits. This kind of thing makes me appreciate the world I live in, as awkward and plagued with pathological progressivism as it can be sometimes. At least I'm free to be as I am without getting shot or castrated for being of the wrong genetic lineage.

My favorite part about the show is the exploration of the politics and the dynamics of the Reich and Japan. As a student of history, WW2 (especially WW2 in Europe) was my passion. This alternative history fascinates me because of all of the historical implications. I want to know everything about this alternate world, and Man in High Castle does a pretty good job of showing some of the intricacies of it (from the big bits about SS politics, and the noticeable societal acceptance of abused human rights i.e. burning the disabled, to the little surface things about the supersonic transports and all of the alternate technologies that have become common trappings of daily life). They need to spend more time doing that - the storylines following the resistance were not as interesting as the bits following Tagomi and Smith, IMO. I want to see more of the Reich (take us to Berlin more; show us more of how this expanded empire is governed, and the politics that affect that) and Imperial Japan (how much of Asia do they control? How stable is that control? Are Nazi agents de-stabilizing the empire in Asia? How are Imperial leaders coping individually with the growing tech gap between themselves and the Germans?). Show me how this alternate universe works - give me more of the "House of Cards" style political intrigue. I don't need more of Jules' flakiness and Joe's unrequited affection for her. Give me more of Smith (how'd he become what he is now? How's he going to deal with the issues regarding his son?) and Tagomi-san (does he come back to our time? Has he jumped before? How does this influence his politics and place within the empire?), as well as Kido (I don't like the character as a person, but the actor is excellent and his arc is interesting - dive deeper into why he's who he is, who he reports to, etc).

The ending made it appear as though Hitler is "the man in high castle". Aside from literally living in a high castle, he appears to have many of the films from the alternate universes. The films most certainly do indeed come from alternate universes, as they're too realistic to have been made in the show's timeline. A theory I read (and one I sort of buy) is that Hitler may not be THE many in high castle, but simple "A" man in high castle. He does not gather the films first - someone else (perhaps THE man in high castle or multiple men in high castles - in the book I think it is one man, but the show may change things up pretty drastically) with the power to leap multiverses collects the films and brings them to the show's universe, and Hitler uses the resistance as a tool to gather them. Hitler then uses the films to see potential outcomes and guard against those that are unfavorable to him, thus allowing him to hold onto power. It is also possible that the realities shown in the alternative universes allow the Nazis to gain that technological edge (with enough films of the alternate realities, they can see many of the possible tech innovations that could have come about during within the other timelines and made it happen in their own universe).

A very important bit in the show is the concept of "wu" (I think that's how its spelled). The fine ass J-Girl (Tao Okamoto - 9/10, WB) who the antique-dealing dude made the necklace for mentioned this - she said there was "great sorrow" in the artifact he made, and she could feel it. I think this is a key ingredient in multiverse hopping. Note that Tagomi uses Jule's necklace to do the multiverse jump at the end - Frank made that necklace, and it is like that it too had "wu". Frank has an ability to imbue his artifacts with that necessary ingredient (some combo of true sorrow, meaningful emotion, deep spiritual pain) to make multiverse hopping possible, and that makes him a very special character. There are others in this multiverse who, one way or another, have acquired this "multiverse jumping" ability, and they (or at least one among them) are responsible for all of the videos that show up from other timelines. What the show has yet to tell us is how many people have this ability (Tagomi's assistant is strongly implied to be one of them), how many know this ability even exists (it is strongly implied that Hitler knows, and Tagomi has figured it out by the end of the show), and why they use it the way they do.

I cannot wait for the second season. Happy to hear it is already filming. We need more TV like this.
 

EDantes

Pelican
Robert Hedrock said:
This series is exceptional.

Watch all 10 episodes. You don't need to have netflix to enjoy it.

http://www.tvmuse.com/tv-shows/The-Man-in-the-High-Castle_38182/

It is a strong meditation on history, masculinity, duty, honor, love, solid game principles, 48 laws of power, etc. beautifully shot and well done.

Based on philip k dick book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_in_the_High_Castle
Thanks for the recommendation, I saw the pilot and was intrigued, might return to watching it
 

Paracelsus

Crow
Gold Member
Just got through the first season.

Really impressive stuff. Alternate-universe is very difficult to do right for some reason, but for once shrouding everyone in greys and shadows really works for the mood of the piece.

It was in the small details I think they convinced me. Especially that one occasion when Joe's stopped on the road and there's all this grey snow falling. And the cop tells him: "Yeah, that's the hospital. They always burn the cripples and defectives on a Tuesday." It was just the way he delivered the line; such matter-of-factness and the implications of that routine statement that chilled me to the bone. I was sold on the concept from pretty much that point on, and the show is gripping stuff. I didn't think an X-Files alumnus could actually produce something this nuanced and thought-out, but Frank Spotnitz seems to have done it.

In terms of standout performances - while "John Smith" was in pretty good hands with Rufus Sewell, I thought all the Japanese characters (or rather, the Asian actors) stole the show.

Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa was just extraordinary. To my eternal shame and dishonour the only things I remembered him being in was chewing the scenery in Mortal Kombat and as a slick Japanese guy in Rising Sun. But his filmography is extraordinary, he doesn't seem to have been out of work for thirty years or so, and while most of it has been B-Movie, Token Asian stuff, I was enthralled with his performance.

And holy shit, Joel de la Fuente as Inspector Kido, how good was he? Never mind the fact he looks like he's in his early thirties when he's actually 46, that's what clean living and Asian genes give you, ladies and gentlemen. He brought this wonderful contrast to Tagawa; their scenes together were just electric.

On to some spoilers....










































Yeah, I'd have to agree, it looks like Frank has some sort of ability to provide the necessary fuel for timeline-jumping. It'll be interesting to see how they develop Miss Fine-Ass who sensed the wu as well; her husband didn't notice it, and given the focus on her I'm guessing we'll be seeing her develop into some sort of timejumping as well.

That said: I've got a feeling Tagami isn't from around here, that his home isn't in the show's original timeline (call it the Prime). Here's my hypothesis: he's actually from the future of the Prime, from the same rough period as the final film that Joe and Frank feature in. But Tagami jumped back from that future to a point many, many years prior to the show's opening, and using the knowledge he had, was trying to avert that timeline coming to pass -- by trying to make Japan and Germany equal in the arms race. It's when the Japanese general comes to him and tells him the Heisenberg Device plans will allow Japan to go to war against Germany - that's when he loses all stopping the future he's seen from coming to pass.

I think he realises he can switch timelines again from pretty much the moment he picks up Juliana's necklace, but he doesn't try to do so until all his plans have come to nought and he's ruined.

I think the necklace and its energy are like a Stage 1 booster for timejumpers - they can travel, but they need an object with enough wu in it to make the jump, they can't do it themselves, and the object loses its energy in the transit. Even allowing for his character's reserve, he does not look the least bit surprised when he winds up in the alternate timeline. But he didn't want to go until it was obvious he could do nothing more to alter the Prime's fate.
 

AnonymousBosch

Crow
Gold Member
SPOILERS

Took the time to watch this one over a series of flights. The good: Awesome cinematography and world-building. Great performances from the older members of the cast, particularly the pair Paracelus signalled out. The disappointing: The younger trio have the standard Millennial Actor thing going on where they lack charisma and seem to be constantly collapsing into themselves. The dreadful: Burn Gorman appears for two episodes early on and gives a ridiculous performance as a Marshall that belongs in another, much stupider, show. The patronising: The Evil Nazi starts to show doubts in his conviction when their policies might affect his family, and I'm deeply-uninterested in seeing that plotline play out. The frustrating: Figured out in the first episode what was going on, wanted more of that, and had to wait another nine episodes for the show to confirm it right at the last minute.

It's flawed, but worth a watch.
 

Caravaggio

Sparrow
Gold Member
Related: you should definitely check out more of Philip k. Dicks stuff. Top notch science fiction which gives a lot of food for thoughts.

A scanner darkly, blade runner and minority report are among the movies his books inspired.
 

RexImperator

Crow
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It was reported on Vox Day's site that this image was used to promote the show using the Twitter hashtag #whatifwelost... But the campaign just ended up getting trolled by white nationalists and then pulled. Backfiring, basically. I don't follow Twitter stuff but it makes a good story.
 

Alsos

Kingfisher
RexImperator said:
It was reported on Vox Day's site that this image was used to promote the show using the Twitter hashtag #whatifwelost... But the campaign just ended up getting trolled by white nationalists and then pulled. Backfiring, basically. I don't follow Twitter stuff but it makes a good story.

Part of the problem is that the artist didn't really capture the vaguely unsettling nature of actual Nazi propaganda posters. If you stripped away the swastikas, the armband, and the doll's saluting arm, it would look like a motorcycle cop posing with his altogether nice family - completely unobjectionable.

The father and the son don't quite have that over-perfected Teutonic warrior ubermensch vibe of the real thing, or the mother the gleam of fanaticism to go with her Motherhood medal, or the daughter the "Village of the Damned" uncanniness. For this to have worked optimally, it really needed to be subtly and subconsciously disturbing even without the obvious symbolism.

And oh, would the scheiss have really hit the fan then.
 

LeoneVolpe

Pelican
Gold Member
I really need to give this show another shot. I watched the first few episodes on Amazon and although I liked what I saw, I have to admit I found its pacing a bit slow. But I suppose that is to be expected when first establishing a series.
 

Germanicus

Kingfisher
Alsos said:
RexImperator said:
It was reported on Vox Day's site that this image was used to promote the show using the Twitter hashtag #whatifwelost... But the campaign just ended up getting trolled by white nationalists and then pulled. Backfiring, basically. I don't follow Twitter stuff but it makes a good story.

Part of the problem is that the artist didn't really capture the vaguely unsettling nature of actual Nazi propaganda posters. If you stripped away the swastikas, the armband, and the doll's saluting arm, it would look like a motorcycle cop posing with his altogether nice family - completely unobjectionable.

The father and the son don't quite have that over-perfected Teutonic warrior ubermensch vibe of the real thing, or the mother the gleam of fanaticism to go with her Motherhood medal, or the daughter the "Village of the Damned" uncanniness. For this to have worked optimally, it really needed to be subtly and subconsciously disturbing even without the obvious symbolism.

And oh, would the scheiss have really hit the fan then.

The real takeaway is that the Marxist SJW filth in Hollywood produced this poster because they found it horrifying and expected everyone else to see it the same way.

As noted on Vox Day's site, it was pulled when they realized that not only is it not horrifying to the psyches of white Americans, it has plenty of appeal. As it should, because also as noted by Vox Day, compared to the coming Social Justice Soros-topia, the world depicted on that poster is completely superior. At least for white people.

Vox's original post:

https://voxday.blogspot.ca/2016/05/why-whitegenocide-doesnt-work.html

He initially tells spergling White Nationalists why their half-witted attempts to use social media have failed (other than their own autism and idiocy) and then discusses the poster about halfway through the article.
 
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