The Man in the High Castle is Awesome

DannyAlberta

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Any word on whether season 1 will make it to Blu-Ray? Couldn't find any mention of it on line.

(Yes I am a Gen-X'er who still likes to own physical video stuff - also my home theatre has high def sound - mock away if you must)
 

iknowexactly

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kaotic said:
The last series I ever watched was battlestar galactica (yeah I was a nerd back then).

Battlestar Galactica was one of the best shows ever made for television, the idea of the Ceylons, fantastic premise.

Online you can also find the show "bible' ( backstory and plans for the origin, look and narrative progress of the series) which is highly educational if you want to write for TV.
 

Paracelsus

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iknowexactly said:
kaotic said:
The last series I ever watched was battlestar galactica (yeah I was a nerd back then).

Battlestar Galactica was one of the best shows ever made for television, the idea of the Ceylons, fantastic premise.

I recently went back and watched through the main run of the series (skipping the cashgrab webisodes.)

The show comes out a hell of a lot better on rewatch. The only persistent weak point I noticed in the series hits around the beginning of season 4, which also coincided with the Writers' Strike. The 'god' stuff doesn't come out of nowhere at all; indeed it's pretty much there from the start of the series, and on rewatch it's hilarious exactly how much deus ex machina in the form of Baltar's Head Six there really was. And of course Tricia Helfer was a Wall survivor, and Grace Park just had an amazing body throughout. :tard:
 

NilNisiOptimum

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Paracelsus said:
It was in the small details I think they convinced me. Especially that one occasion when Joe's stopped on the road and there's all this grey snow falling. And the cop tells him: "Yeah, that's the hospital. They always burn the cripples and defectives on a Tuesday." It was just the way he delivered the line; such matter-of-factness and the implications of that routine statement that chilled me to the bone. I was sold on the concept from pretty much that point on, and the show is gripping stuff. I didn't think an X-Files alumnus could actually produce something this nuanced and thought-out, but Frank Spotnitz seems to have done it.

I finally fished the first season after this thread first brought the show to my attention. This moment that Paracelsus mentions is what hooked me too. This scene clearly illustrates the old adage "show, don't tell". Too many works of fiction now insist on TELLING you how the world operates. This moment SHOWS how the world operates. A great world in fiction is shown in action. The way the officer is so casual about saying the hospital burns cripples galvanized the wold in my mind.
 

EvanWilson

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I watched this late last year, while I was home sick for a few days. I am waiting for season 2 to come out in a few days and expect it will be good.

Some general thoughts and comments about the series and WWII related subjects.

I will divide this into different postings to make replies shorter and on topic with an item.

1: My impression of the scenes with the 'Man in the High Castle' from the last episode of season one, is that he is indeed Hitler, since when any character is talking about that man, or to the man, they always address him as "Führer". Also the age of the man would be about the right age, since Hitler was 56 in 1945, so 17 years later in 1962 he would have been around 73 years old, and the character is depicted as being very elderly and even in the starting stages of some kind of mental ability decline.
 

EvanWilson

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2: I had the fortune of living in a small multi unit apartment building (only 4 units total) that was owned by a couple that were living in Poland when WWII started. Both have since passed away but both of them told me some of the stories about their time in Poland and a factory during WWII.

Joe told me one time he was living in eastern Poland and was driving a supply truck for the German army with another guy. They came across a supply truck coming the other way that had all of its tires shot out from Soviet Partisans. They ran into the same group of partisans, who stopped the truck and stole everything. The only reason they did not shot Joe was because he was able to speak Russian and able to tell them that he was Polish, not German. Later in the war Joe worked in a factory as part of the forced labor in western Germany. One time Joe saw a shot down fighter that had been taking part in one of the air battles involving Allied bombers. (I think Joe said it was a German fighter that he saw.)

Pearl, Joe's wife, use to remember every September 1 'that the war started that day' in 1939, and for them it changed everything. Since if the war never happened, neither one of them probably would not have ended up in the United States. A few weeks before Pearl passed away I had a chance to talk with her for a while about her time during WWII. She remember May 5, 1940. That was the day the Gestapo raid her family house while she was visiting over at a friends house and arrested everyone else in her family. She ended up staying until they thought it was safe for her to return home. There was also discussion in 1944 that Germany would have allowed members of her family to be given Reich citizenship, since they considered them 'German enough' with their Polish background. The benefit of taking the deal, is that they would have had no more problems with the police, or at least no more problems than any other citizen of the Reich. The downside was that all of the men of military age would have been drafted and sent off to fight on one of the fronts. There was a discussion within the family on what to do. The sons said that if the family took the citizenship, then they planned on going into hiding with the underground, so they decided not to take the deal.
 

EvanWilson

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3: The tension between Japan and Germany. I was surprised to see this depicted. I do remember one source discussing that Japan planned an immediate offensive into the Soviet Far East if it looked like Russia was going to fall. The main objective was to take as much territory as possible in order to keep Germany as far away as possible from mainland Japan. That plan did show that while they were Allies, there was a concern in Japan that Germany would start to ‘overshadow’ their influence in Asia if Germany was able to defeat the Allies. While Germany and Japan were Allies, they did not cooperate that much, and only had limited transfers of technology, information or material. While never really made clear, it seemed that Germany did not want to give Japan access to the technology that it had, which it could have easily done prior to the start of the war with Russia in 1941, and still done into 1942 with long range flights from forward airbases bases in the Soviet Union.

There was also no coordination on grand strategy. Germany was never able to get Japan to attack Russia in 1941, and this allowed Russia to transfer its Siberian army to defend Moscow and launch the winter offensive that did a lot of damage to the German forces in front of Moscow.

Japan never seems to have shared with Germany that it was about to bring the United States into the war December 1941 or what would happen next if the United States was now in the war. There was also the possibility that the United States would have been only at war with Japan if Germany did not declare war on the United States.In that situation, Germany could have done a lot better against Britain and Russia, since there would have been no United States forces in that theater, but Japan would have done a lot worse since most of the United States forces would have been available to be deployed against Japan only.

On a grand strategic level, I think one of the biggest mistakes for the Axis was bringing the United States into the war. If Japan had not done the attack at Pearl Harbor, and had either attacked Russia or, in the alternative, just did an offensive in Southeast Asia and Pacific against Britain, French areas, Dutch areas, but left United States and Philippines alone; it is possible that the United States would have not entered the war until much later and Japan had already consolidated its conquests.
 

Alsos

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EvanWilson said:
Additional for item #1:
My impression of the castle, was that it was Berghof at Berchtesgaden.

The real-world Berghof was more of an alpine chalet. The location used in filming is a place called Hohenwerfen near Salzburg, about 40km by road from Berchtesgaden: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hohenwerfen_Castle

Since it's alt-history, who knows? Maybe it's Hohenwerfen in the fictional universe as well, given its proximity to Berchtesgaden.
 

Kurgan

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I read the book a long time ago and started watching it on Amazon and I have to say I like the series better. There are some things tv and movies can do better than the book.
 

EvanWilson

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sterling_archer said:
He was Hitler, why did you doubt it? In the first few episodes he is even on TV and you can compare that to last episode. Fun fact: castle is the same that was used to film "Where eagles dare" with Clint Eastwood and Richard Burton. Its name is Hohenwerfen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hohenwerfen_Castle

I initially was not sure, since he is only referred to as "Fuhrer" or The Fuhrer, never calling him by name. Just about every other ranking party member is called or referred to by name at some point within the series.

I still have a question as to if the Fuhrer is The Man in the High Castle or somewhere is there another person that is him, and he is the one making or somehow getting the movies from somewhere.

One possibility that occurred to me recently, is that the Fuhrer may be using the resistance to gather up the movies because he is unable to trust the government/military entities that would normally handle something as important as this. i.e. There may be problems within his own agencies or people refusing to cooperate, even worse, may be working for another side. It would also be a given that the Japanese could not be told about the films or what they are since then they would be working to collect them also, taking away the Fuhrer's advantage in having the information from the films.
 

sterling_archer

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He could be, we'll see in second season which premiers on 16th December, so in a 5 days. From trailer I deduced that main characters have become aware of existence of other timelines / parallel universes.
Hitler is obviously aware of that, and I hope to hear some kind of explanation for all that.
 

Excelsior

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I'm hyped to see that the season premier is this week. I'll put it off a little longer until finals are done early next week and use the show as my reward for plowing through them. Gonna be one of the best binge-watchings I've had in a while.
 

Leonard D Neubache

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Looking more and more like I'm going to have to get a VPN.

There's a lot of great stuff on Netflix you Americans get that we don't, and as far as I'm aware Amazon Prime is completely off limits to us down here.
 
The show in itself has partly a different effect to what the makers intend it to be. It is only good that they set it in the 1950s. Because if they went much further down the timeline, then many Americans would be yearning for a patriarchal unicultural USA.

Imagine if it was set in 2016. The Nazis had conquered Japan and then the rest of the world. Every country having their own race and cultural identity. If the people saw happy family-oriented patriarchal Americans living in the alternate future of 2016 then they would realize in what a crazy world they are forced to live in now. Fat-acceptance, feminism, SJWs, carousel-riders, minority crime, even fat women, sausage-fest in the West - all of this would not exist. All the men would be masculine, the women feminine and mothers - it would be a pain in the butt to twist it all as bad.

They certainly tried their best with the Nazi officer family of underhanded unhappiness like they always do. Hollywood always tries to depict any happy heterosexual male-dominated family model as a hellhole for women and children. In truth however that is the best way for humans to live, but they will be damned to accept that if there isn't a gay, trannie or diversity message in it.
 

Alsos

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Zelcorpion said:
...They certainly tried their best with the Nazi officer family of underhanded unhappiness like they always do...

If they're trying to portray traditional marriage and family as pathological and oppressive by associating it with Nazism, they're doing it wrong. The wife doesn't appear to chafe at her supposed powerless second-class position as a traditional wife in a patriarchal household, and for all we can tell so far they actually have a solid marriage. Indeed, she instead demonstrates the "power behind the throne" marriage that we're told was actually common before women were 'emancipated' by feminism - hubby may wear the jackboots in the family, but she's clearly a cooperative partner in everything he does (unlike the women in, say, The Handmaid's Tale). It's actually pretty red-pill.

Plus, the model-1950s-family bit actually makes you like the family. It humanizes Smith and his son despite their overt displays of Nazi allegiance. How can they be pure evil, one is left to wonder, if they're an otherwise normal, happy, loving family, and the only example of that that we are shown?

I understand your take, but to my eye, the intent was not so much to tar traditional marriage as Nazistic, but to juxtapose the brutality of Nazism with the wholesomeness of a Norman Rockwell family to illustrate the "banality of evil".
 
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