The manosphere is getting increasing hate

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Veloce

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polymath said:
1) Publicity brings traffic, and a site like this will get watered down, trolled, etc with more traffic. Good for Roosh in the short run since he sells stuff in association with this forum, but bad for the community in the long run. I have seen it happen to forums before.

2) These people resent the ideas on this site. That's a good thing for the ideas, since nobody tends to make an attack on an idea unless s/he is concerned that it may be more widely adopted if not attacked. For example, you wouldn't detest and condemn someone who believes in ghosts, because that belief has no traction and is ridiculed by most.

I don't actually think the ideas on this forum are that revolutionary. People are just weaned on weakness nowadays, it seems, and anything that gives them power over their own lives makes them anxious.

Life should be a series of "what if" questions, and I would defend this forum on that basis alone because it fosters curiosity about travel, business, and life in general. If someone here says, "I want to start a company," he gets support, suggestions, and encouragement. In my experience, the rest of the world is too risk-averse to even ride out many ideas as thought experiments.

Agree for the most part. I will say that 99% of what needs to be said about Game has been said. I think at some point that maybe that entire part of that forum should just be locked. Sort of like a very complex and well written "10 Commandments" with an appropriate FAQ for newbs and specific situations. An Encyclopedia, if you will.

The rest of it will be discussing, as you said "what if" questions, meet ups, country/venue reports, etc.
 
So these leftists use pseudoscience to support their hatred of a particular group of people and they support economic policies that give the government de facto control of businesses that remain nominally in private hands, and they call us fascists. Talk about projection.
 

Teedub

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thedude3737 said:
@Teedub no offense, but fuck your family and friends. I don't mean that personally, I mean that in a way that Red Pill men have had to accept. It's part of the Red Pill. It's part of living an honest, authentic lifestyle. It's like coming out of the closet :gay: ; your friends and family that truly love you will accept you no matter what. No arguments needed.

Haha, first you say fuck my family, then you call me gay! Oh I'm coming for you dude haha. No innuendo or pun intended ;) :gay:

Yeah I know what you mean, but it takes a lot of balls to go up against the entire liberal-feminist status quo and the indoctrination machine that is modern Statism.
 

Roosh

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Samseau:

Change is inevitable in all systems, and any decision to freeze that system will fail. I can lock down the forum right now, and then what happens? The first year, probably nothing, but then attrition will eventually kill it. If a city doesn't have a positive population growth, it will die. This forum is a city.

One reason this forum thrives is because adjustments are made as factors change. Registration on only the 1st was one such change. Tighter moderation is another. The result? The forum continues to grow, providing more value than in the past. Will the forum be different in 3 years? Yes. Will groups try to tighten the screws on me by trying to demonize my work? Yes. But I didn't get here by being a pushover, and it's hard to shut down a guy with nothing to lose and the support of thousands.

It's impossible for any forum to remain the same. But any negative change that comes to it will because I made bad decisions in governance, not because some group scared me. Understand that systems take a life on their own. The beliefs and ideas on this forum are sucking in guys like a vacuum without advertising, mainstream breakouts in large media, or purposeful effort on my part. The forum lives and breathes on its own. My duty is to enable it to do what it wants to do instead of making artificial limitations for a doomsday scenario that likely will never come. And if it does come, we'll fight back as the strong community we've become and solve the problem as best as we can.
 

rivex

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thedude3737 said:
we're men from a huge variety of backgrounds. White, black, latino, asian, indian, and yes, sigh, greek. Older dudes, younger dudes. Rich dudes, student dudes. In other words, we can't be pigeonholed.

Exactly. Which is why it's unfortunate that an influential site like heartiste attempts to make french and greek nazi groups seem sexy. This shit doesn't help us.


He gives props to the nazi parties here:

Golden Dawn - Greece
https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/273835551365414912
http://ethniko.net/blog/greek-girls-women-of-golden-dawn-chrysi-avgi/
http://imgur.com/BVDBlzc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece)

Génération Identitaire - France
https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/257178062389669889
http://imgur.com/BVDBlzc,df1aYfN#1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9kB7Ps0E84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtS_IFLr7Q0&list=PL9829A4665C45533E - See the other videos on this channel

And he links to American Renaissance on the right sidebar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Renaissance_(magazine)

There are many more examples that make us look bad.


polymath said:
1) Publicity brings traffic, and a site like this will get watered down, trolled, etc with more traffic. Good for Roosh in the short run since he sells stuff in association with this forum, but bad for the community in the long run. I have seen it happen to forums before.

And the last thing the manosphere needs is an influx of nazis infiltrating and trying to recruit because they heard we are sympathetic to them. When a subculture gets tainted by them, there is no going back. For example: Skinheads. They didn't start out with that reputation but most people don't know that.
 

storm

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thedude3737 said:
storm said:
thedude3737 said:
I have full faith that "game" will work on the media, much in the same way that it works on bitches and at job interviews. A rational mind, full confidence, a little bit of cockiness, and that warm, playful vibe is all that's needed. The feminists and neo-liberals will be spitting venom and hatred and they will look like fools in the public eye.

The media has a long and proud tradition of taking the blunders of complete fools and labeling exactly that as a victory.

I'm not talking blunders though, I'm talking anger vs. cool.

Cool always wins, even if cool is "wrong".

Yeah, I'm with you. In game a lot depends on the situation, and from what I hear television is run like a war room. You could walk in and charm the audience, host and still get cast the villain on TV.

But it's all thought exercises. I like RVF because of the real experience people throw down. We can only hope increased politicization will not keep guys from contributing knowledge about game and travel.
 

Teedub

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rivex said:
Exactly. Which is why it's unfortunate that an influential site like heartiste attempts to make french and greek nazi groups seem sexy. This shit doesn't help us.

Génération Identitaire - France
https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/257178062389669889
http://imgur.com/BVDBlzc,df1aYfN#1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9kB7Ps0E84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtS_IFLr7Q0&list=PL9829A4665C45533E - See the other videos on this channel

Bloc, or Generation Identitaire aren't anything like Golden Dawn. Golden Dawn ARE Neo-Fascist, as in they hate Jews etc. The French ones have Jewish divisions, and are primarily anti-Islamic immigration. Just pointing it out.
 
rivex said:
thedude3737 said:
we're men from a huge variety of backgrounds. White, black, latino, asian, indian, and yes, sigh, greek. Older dudes, younger dudes. Rich dudes, student dudes. In other words, we can't be pigeonholed.

Exactly. Which is why it's unfortunate that an influential site like heartiste attempts to make french and greek nazi groups seem sexy. This shit doesn't help us.


He gives props to the nazi parties here:

Golden Dawn - Greece
https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/273835551365414912
http://ethniko.net/blog/greek-girls-women-of-golden-dawn-chrysi-avgi/
http://imgur.com/BVDBlzc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece)

Génération Identitaire - France
https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/257178062389669889
http://imgur.com/BVDBlzc,df1aYfN#1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9kB7Ps0E84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtS_IFLr7Q0&list=PL9829A4665C45533E - See the other videos on this channel

And he links to American Renaissance on the right sidebar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Renaissance_(magazine)

There are many more examples that make us look bad.


polymath said:
1) Publicity brings traffic, and a site like this will get watered down, trolled, etc with more traffic. Good for Roosh in the short run since he sells stuff in association with this forum, but bad for the community in the long run. I have seen it happen to forums before.

And the last thing the manosphere needs is an influx of nazis joining it because they heard we are sympathetic to them. When a subculture gets tainted by them, there is no going back. For example: Skinheads. They didn't start out with that reputation but most people don't know that.


Can someone help me understand this? I understand the idea of nationalism, but what I what I don't understand is how someone can hold onto that idea in present time and going into the future. Maybe it's because I'm American, but I've never thought of globalism as a choice. Here's how I see globalism: it's linked to advancements in technology, it's only going to get stronger, and it's here to stay.
 

Teedub

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Europe has a long, long history so I think as an American it is difficult to grasp how easily nationalist feeling can arise given the right conditions.
 

rivex

Pigeon
Teedub said:
rivex said:
Exactly. Which is why it's unfortunate that an influential site like heartiste attempts to make french and greek nazi groups seem sexy. This shit doesn't help us.

Génération Identitaire - France
https://twitter.com/heartiste/status/257178062389669889
http://imgur.com/BVDBlzc,df1aYfN#1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9kB7Ps0E84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtS_IFLr7Q0&list=PL9829A4665C45533E - See the other videos on this channel

Bloc, or Generation Identitaire aren't anything like Golden Dawn. Golden Dawn ARE Neo-Fascist, as in they hate Jews etc. The French ones have Jewish divisions, and are primarily anti-Islamic immigration. Just pointing it out.

There is a real problem with Islamic radicalism in France that is ignored by the mainstream pc establishment. Unfortunately the only ones talking about it are the far right. Generation Identitaire may not hate jews but they are loved by other nazi groups so it doesn't look good for them.


magellan said:
Can someone help me understand this? I understand the idea of nationalism, but what I what I don't understand is how someone can hold onto that idea in present time and going into the future. Maybe it's because I'm American, but I've never thought of globalism as a choice. Here's how I see globalism: it's linked to advancements in technology, it's only going to get stronger, and it's here to stay.

Fascist groups like to call themselves nationalists because that doesn't sound as bad to normal people. Just like some use other symbols that sort of look like swastikas but aren't exactly the same. Plausible deniability.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_symbolism#Other_regions
 

raliv

Woodpecker
IMO, the manosphere IS an anti-establishment opposition movement from the status quo, and yet not a rebellious movement, just a reactionary one. We like things the way they were decades ago, not how things are now (which ironically, we have learned to thrive in) or where they are headed. The establishment will dish out the same criticisms to us that they dish out to other movements that don't agree with them.
 

Samseau

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Roosh said:
Samseau:

Change is inevitable in all systems, and any decision to freeze that system will fail. I can lock down the forum right now, and then what happens? The first year, probably nothing, but then attrition will eventually kill it. If a city doesn't have a positive population growth, it will die. This forum is a city.

One reason this forum thrives is because adjustments are made as factors change. Registration on only the 1st was one such change. Tighter moderation is another. The result? The forum continues to grow, providing more value than in the past. Will the forum be different in 3 years? Yes. Will groups try to tighten the screws on me by trying to demonize my work? Yes. But I didn't get here by being a pushover, and it's hard to shut down a guy with nothing to lose and the support of thousands.

It's impossible for any forum to remain the same. But any negative change that comes to it will because I made bad decisions in governance, not because some group scared me. Understand that systems take a life on their own. The beliefs and ideas on this forum are sucking in guys like a vacuum without advertising, mainstream breakouts in large media, or purposeful effort on my part. The forum lives and breathes on its own. My duty is to enable it to do what it wants to do instead of making artificial limitations for a doomsday scenario that likely will never come. And if it does come, we'll fight back as the strong community we've become and solve the problem as best as we can.

Don't get me wrong, there's no way in hell I'd advocating "freezing" the forum. If it comes down to decay or growth, I'll choose growth every time.

But political consequences are real. It won't happen today, but in ten, twenty years from now as the American state grows larger and more invasive, laws will be passed to shut down sites like this.

It wouldn't surprise me at all to see RVF only survive in the same way hacker group Anonymous does.

Of course I will fight back with every ounce of my power. But let me share a story with you guys.

--story--

In college, I was part of a fraternity, Phi Kappa Theta. I have always enjoyed male camaraderie, and a fraternity was a great place for me to be.

Phi Kappa Theta no longer exists at my old college. In fact, since I graduated, my college has managed to successfully shut down over 50% of the school's fraternities.

They didn't pass any town ordinances outlawing fraternities, but they would manage to catch fraternities breaking "rules", such as making too much noise during a party, finding underage minors drinking on fraternity grounds, or girls who would file rape reports.

The liberals have their ways. They are political geniuses. And if the leftists hate you, such as they hated "misogynistic" fraternities, they will come after you.

My fraternity got raked over the coals for a cop discovering an underage drinker on the campus, and then used that to ban our fraternity from advertising for new recruits during rush week.

Over the next 15 years, new pledges declined and eventually our fraternity was unable to pay rent for the house. They went bankrupt and eventually died.

--end story--

Don't get me wrong, I'll be here to the bitter end. I hope someday I'll be able to post some pics of my kids like El Mechanico did. If this place gets shut down I'll pull some connections with my programmer friends and see if I can get this place hosted out of a server in Africa or something.

But I understand how the leftists work, I've spent too much time around them, and I know these people are completely ruthless and will never stop until they get their way. Do not underestimate them.
 

Ovid

Woodpecker
The "far right" are not our enemies. People agitating for ethnic cleansing and the like are obviously vile and deserve whatever they get, (though I don't think any of the oft-mentioned groups advocate anything of the sort) but political correctness is arguably even worse, in the day-to-day reality of things. Political Correctness strangles thought and creativity and subsumes everything beneath a bleak and totalitarian agenda, enforced by millions of brainwashed common folk. It is a veritable religion, and hardly as wholesome or natural as any which preceded it. If the French people value their culture, they have the right to fight to preserve it, and I hope they win that fight. In seventy-five years, perhaps it will be Thai people fighting to keep Thailand from becoming Arabia, or America. We could all get behind that fight because we're fond of Thai girls' receptiveness to us, and would not wish to see their culture disappear. Globalization, feminism, weak and effeminate men-these are all interrelated problems. It is folly to throw other well meaning red-pill types under the bus simply to appease the media. We might just want to have lots of sex with attractive women of diverse types, but this is a serious threat to the feminist status quo, and they will not leave us alone if we simply make a sacrifice or two on their politically correct altar.
 

Veloce

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Sam, thanks for sharing that with us, and I understand where you're coming from.

However, you were in a fraternity, which in itself is a social structure essentially "allowed" to students by the college. If colleges deprive students of fraternities and sororities, the college only hurts itself in the long run.

Yeah Roosh might one day get shut down, but there are options.

Let me share a story with you guys.

-story-

Back in college, hell, I'm hesitant to even call it that. I was pursuing a music major at a community college but couldn't pass any of my required GE classes because I had zero interest in them. I'd show up to my music classes and that's it. Now, this amounts to about 20 hours a week. I don't even think I had a job at the time.

In my off time I'd get together with my high school friends and skate, play guitar, and at night do this thing called "Rampaging". Our version of Jackass before it really existed.

Our destruction for the evening consisted of us going to all the Salvation Army drop off points and picking up whatever we could; TVs, vacuum cleaners, huge glass panels from coffee tables. We'd sneak into the 11th floor of the Holiday Inn and chuck whatever we had on the street below, only to happily watch it smash to smithereens. We usually cleaned up after ourselves. Eventually the Holiday Inn hired a security team to prevent us but we still found out ways of sneaking into the building. For a while our specialty was bowling balls off the 11th floor (we wanted to see what was inside), until the owner of the alley and 3 of his brick shithouse friends came after us. We were scrawny dudes. We started timing ourselves and made a sport of it. We did a few stupid fuckhead things like put shit on train tracks that we shouldn't have, but fuck it we were pissed off, bored 19 year olds.

We'd go to Marilyn Manson and goth concerts (we hated goths) and take a huge shit in a 7-11 big gulp and leave it in front of the exit so when the concert was over all these goths in their steel toed Doc Martens would pile out, knock over the cup, smear shit everywhere, and be trying to scrape shit off their shoes. We'd be across the street filming it and doubled over with laughter.

And then hallucinogens happened. Things got weird at the apartment, bunch of Pink Floyd posters going up, I'd come home from a deli job and several of my friends would be in their underwear, pupils dilated to hell from taking Salvia or bad mushrooms or cactus. I'd wake up on the couch in the middle of the night and see the front door wide open with two of my buddies passed out drunk halfway in the door.

Years later, one of our mutual friends went to that apartment, and walked right in. (We never locked the door. It was a 2 bedroom apartment but there were never fewer than 4 guys there at any given time) He didn't know the apartment had moved, and instead of a skater/drug den with posters, beer stained carpet, and NES games laying around, it was a Japanese family quietly eating their dinner. He was traumatized.

My point of this stupid story is that, if there was ever a group of guys that should have been jailed, put away for life, for assault, endangerment, destruction of property, vandalism, drug dealing, possession, pretty much everything short of murder, it was us. We were convinced several times over that the local FBI office must have a manila folder on us the size of a webster's dictionary.

We made it, almost all of us. Several of these guys are teachers now. Those leftists might be good at shutting down establishments, but give them a band of fucking wild guys and they won't know what the fuck to do with them.
 

Blaster

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re:OP

The author doesn't appear to know what the word "fascist" actually means.

Though obviously his real problem is that he hasn't actually done his homework or consumed any of the content with a legitimate attempt to understand.
 
Ovid said:
Globalization, feminism, weak and effeminate men-these are all interrelated problems

Not sure how you made the connection between globalism and the other two. Feminism, among other things, are able to spread because of globalism/technology. Globalism being a problem though? I don't see it.

Feminism as it stands today is an outright - and futile - rejection of basic human nature. Globalism is a byproduct of the incredible advances we've seen in technology over the past few decades.

Wanting to keep a bunch of Muslims out of your country because of religious extremism? I get it. In America we have an entire Bible belt filled with a number of Christian extremists that also have a political voice. But when that extends to kicking the shit out of brown people in the street a la Greece? I don't get it. I'm going abroad to Europe this semester, a light brown American, and I probably won't be going to Greece anymore lol.

EDIT: I should clarify that I didn't intend to make a connection between the situation in France and Greece. Just the results of the rising fascism.
 

rivex

Pigeon
Blaster said:
re:OP

The author doesn't appear to know what the word "fascist" actually means.

Though obviously his real problem is that he hasn't actually done his homework or consumed any of the content with a legitimate attempt to understand.

Of course not, he's just building a straw man instead of looking at what the manosphere actually advocates. However, we shouldn't make it easier for liberals/feminists to attack us.


Ovid said:
The "far right" are not our enemies.

The Right = Conservatives = Not our enemy
The Far Right = Fascists = Humankind's enemy

Ovid said:
People agitating for ethnic cleansing and the like are obviously vile and deserve whatever they get, (though I don't think any of the oft-mentioned groups advocate anything of the sort)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oRRJpzrKbmU

Ovid said:
It is folly to throw other well meaning red-pill types under the bus simply to appease the media.

These are not well meaning red-pill types.
http://politico.ie/images/politico/world/europe/Golden-Dawn-Nazi-Salute.jpeg


Ovid said:
but political correctness is arguably even worse, in the day-to-day reality of things. Political Correctness strangles thought and creativity and subsumes everything beneath a bleak and totalitarian agenda, enforced by millions of brainwashed common folk.

The way to fight the PC totalitarian agenda is not to support the fascist totalitarian agenda.
 

Screwston

 
Banned
So what happens if the forum gets shut down? I'm sure some guys would set up some chat or something like that but it wouldn't be the same. Can't the forum be put in that section of the internet that's hidden from everyone who doesn't know how to get in? I can't think of what it's called. Dark Internet?
 
The only way I see a forum like this being "shut down" is if it's being hosted by a big company like GoDaddy that doesn't want any negative publicity and they decide to give you the boot, or if the US and other western gov'ts go Chinese on us and start blocking and censoring websites which would effectively shut RVF down.

IDK anything about dark internet but back when I was really into web development, I hosted all my websites on an old computer in my garage.
 

Barca_0087

Pigeon
a definition from wikipedia:

"A hate group is an organized group or movement that advocates and practices hatred, hostility, or violence towards members of a race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or other designated sector of society."

now look at the video in this thread:
http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-18570.html?highlight=femi

now which looks more like a hate group? the Manosphere or Feminist groups?

Feminism has reached its peak, its slowly bringing about its own distruction while the manosphere is on the rise.

The only threat I see to the manosphere is an internal threat, white knights and betas.
 
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