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The manosphere is getting increasing hate
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Don Juan Tenorio
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XXL said:
And that's exactly why Napoleon said: The battles against women are the only ones to be won by fleeing. Le petit bastard knew what he was talking about.
Speaking from a larger cultural perspective, the manosphere is following in the tradition of gangsta rap, Hunter S. Thompson, early punk, Frank Zappa, the Stones, HL Mencken, Eminem, JD Salinger and "Fight Club." All were considered offensive and "affronts to polite society" once; all are considered groundbreaking now.
The fact that the adult establishment is putting out warning signs saying "Danger! Rudeness! Misogyny! They're baaaaaa!" will only make young guys become even more interested.
They claim manosphere thinking is "regressive" and "Nazi-like." Someone needs to tell them biological imperatives are the problem, not the people addressing them honestly.
The fact that the adult establishment is putting out warning signs saying "Danger! Rudeness! Misogyny! They're baaaaaa!" will only make young guys become even more interested.
They claim manosphere thinking is "regressive" and "Nazi-like." Someone needs to tell them biological imperatives are the problem, not the people addressing them honestly.
"The worst decision of the so called manosphere was starting real battle with feminist sphere by attacking them."
No, this was genius. Because feminists disgust and anger a lot of people but most don't bother to deeply think about why. The manosphere, and especially Roosh's big-deal post from last week, forced people into thinking about exactly what feminists are about.
I don't think the view they got was pretty. Pun intended.
No, this was genius. Because feminists disgust and anger a lot of people but most don't bother to deeply think about why. The manosphere, and especially Roosh's big-deal post from last week, forced people into thinking about exactly what feminists are about.
I don't think the view they got was pretty. Pun intended.
Don Juan Tenorio said:
XXL said:
I completely agree with this. A lot of people in the manosphere has no concept at all on what battles to pick. While it's easy to out-argue and shame feminists with superior logic that is a classic example of winning the battle but losing the war.
As long as feminists have the ear of the media there is nothing to be won by open battle. A couple of men will see the light as a result but feminists will add even more male vaginas to their ranks after playing the victim card and use it as examples of abuse while pushing for some new kind of legislation or restrictions.
The general rule is that you will always come out ahead by provoking a rhetorical fight or argument with someone or some group in a superior position to yours. This is because if that person or group chooses to acknowledge your attack and respond, they have essentially elevated you on to their platform. They have made you their equal by acknowledging you as an opponent.
In today's society, it's inarguable that feminism is culturally in a superior position to the manopshere. This is why Roosh's troll piece on the 9 Ugliest Feminists was not only a humorous takedown, but also strategically sound. He got a great deal of exposure that he otherwise wouldn't have received, and the feminists who bit on his troll bait not only made themselves look stupid, petty and hypocritical, but inadvertently elevated Roosh onto their mainstream platform and gave him mad free advertising.
In today's society, it's inarguable that feminism is culturally in a superior position to the manopshere. This is why Roosh's troll piece on the 9 Ugliest Feminists was not only a humorous takedown, but also strategically sound. He got a great deal of exposure that he otherwise wouldn't have received, and the feminists who bit on his troll bait not only made themselves look stupid, petty and hypocritical, but inadvertently elevated Roosh onto their mainstream platform and gave him mad free advertising.
scorpion said:
From a marketing and personal gain perspective it certainly has merits to get into "fights" like this. That the general public reacts the way you describe however I doubt. If it was that easy political parties for example would never acknowledge each other.
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Roosh said:
I love how they attempt to classify the manosphere as "proto-fascist" when in fact feminism lobbies the power of the state at every turn. Welfare to subsidize slut behavior, affirmative action quotas to guarantee education and employment regardless of merit, government protection of abortion, successful lobbying to receive preferential treatment in divorce court including no-fault divorce, state sanctioned alimony and child support, government subsidized birth control, attempts at hate speech laws, a legal apparatus that doesn't punish false rape claims, federal bailout money appropriated to create jobs specifically for women, etc. The list goes on and on, and that is to say nothing of the army of private organizations like NOW, the SPLC, and hundreds of others that lobby government.
Yet what do I want as a member of the manosphere? A return to classical liberalism without state interference in our lives and a return to traditional social norms that evolved over thousands of years.
Who exactly are the proto-fascists? Not the manosphere.
Who are out right fascists?
Feminists.
Roosh said:
Truth be told, a lot of the 'PUA' stuff looks very impressive in cleverly edited videos and stuff. Ross Jeffries looks like some sort of magical being in his videos and in anecdotes about him...But in real life, on a consistent basis, sure it works SOME OF THE TIME, but in reality it's a numbers game, plain and simple. Great game can increase success percentages, but its a number game.
That said, vis-a-vis Ross Jeffries, is it for real? Because his methods are straight up different to anything else. Is it actually for real, because it looks damn impressive, albeit it weird.
Teedub said:
Ross Jeffries was game 2.0 whereas game is more today at like 4.0. If it's real? Yes definitely. Many of his patterns are choppy in a conversational context however but the technology is there. It's not something I'd recommend to beginners and people who don't have patience for NLP. By today's standards his material shows its age.
Still, because it's so tech heavy and due to RJs high proficiency in NLP (don't think anyone in the scene has surpassed him in this training) he still has some of the best material out there on inner game.
I went to a seminar of his in 2004.
The thing about the manosphere attacking feminists is that prior to the existence of the manosphere, the feminists were above criticism.
That's why there's such a shitstorm at the moment, these feminists have spent such a long time being agreed with or ignored that they don't even understand what opposition is. As a result (this is my educated guess), the manosphere gets a huge amount of attention, which in turn increases it's power as more converts consider joining. The manosphere didn't become a real threat until the feminists decided to engage.
That's why there's such a shitstorm at the moment, these feminists have spent such a long time being agreed with or ignored that they don't even understand what opposition is. As a result (this is my educated guess), the manosphere gets a huge amount of attention, which in turn increases it's power as more converts consider joining. The manosphere didn't become a real threat until the feminists decided to engage.
scorpion said:
This is actually how Abraham Lincoln became president - he challenged Stephan Douglas, who was MUCH more popular than Douglas.
Lincoln took Douglas to the debates and crushed him, gaining national popularity in the process, and eventually taking presidency.
Before those debates, however, Lincoln was a nobody. So yeah, mocking the feminists and drawing them in to attack us helps the manosphere's exposure much more than it hurts.
Samseau said:
But the entire voting public at that time was familiar with Douglas. So it would make sense to attack a feminist celebrity like Rosie O'Donnell. But the only people familiar with names in the true "feminist community" are other radical feminists. Outside of their little blogs and twitter feeds, those people have no platform. They're not on TV debating Dr Phil or Piers Morgan, whereas PUAs have.
The manosphere already seems to be bigger than this handful of radical feminist bloggers.
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