The mark of the beast thread

Psalm27

Woodpecker
Gold Member
Not sure if this is something I should put in Faith general or the Deep forum, mods feel free to move it as needed. But what do you guys think the mark of the beast will be? Some think it's just a spiritual thing others think it will be a microchip of somekind. Before I get into my theory, let's get into some scriptures.

Revelation 13:16-18 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

What will happen to those who get the mark?

Revelation 14:9-11 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

My personal theory is that the mark of the beast might have both a spiritual and physical component. I think the physical mark may have something to do with modern digital and information technology. It could be for example a global universal digital ID on the blockchain, that's connected to a social credit system and then also connected to all your e-services like payment systems, social media, voting, healthcare (including vaccine passport) and so on.

So basically if you don't have mark in such a system, which could be a microchip, electronic tattoo or something like that, then you wouldn't be able to buy or sell. And once in this beast system your rights and privileges would be throttled by how loyal you are to the system through a social credit score, like they already do in China.

We are already taking baby steps toward this by moving towards a cashless society. Sweden and China seem to be the first countries to go cashless.

Then I also saw this I believe originally on a Roosh Hour episode:

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Let me know your thoughts in this thread.
 

Uponthisrock

Sparrow
Some theories even suggest that getting the mark could actually change your DNA making you something other than human. Going back to Nephelim.
Many people ask "Why". Why does getting the mark prevent salvation? I think that's where the DNA idea comes from. Not one I hold to, but I'm not completely against the idea.

Woe to my worthless shepherd, who deserts the flock! May the sword strike his arm and his right eye! Let his arm be wholly withered, his right eye utterly blinded!” Zechariah 11:17

"One of his heads appeared to be fatally wounded, but his fatal wound was healed. The whole earth was amazed and followed the beast." Revelation 13:3


It does appear to me that the location of the mark is a sign of loyalty to the antichrist, a way to mimic his crippled form by his followers.
It's also similar to the phylacteries Israel wore. Satan is always quick to pervert the things of God.
Even this resurection of the antichrist is a perversion of Christ's death. It will be the moment the world chooses to worship.
Unlike Christ, Satan's man comes back deformed and crippled whereas Christ will come back for war and with great power to make the very heaven's tremble.

We have had a bad habit of calling everything from social security numbers, product bar codes to the covid vaccine "the mark" but in some sense we aren't entirely far off.
It's the technology inspired by Satan that we use to bring forth his enevtual rise and the world's further enslavement.
By taking the mark, you are saying you trust in the antichrist, your faith is in him.
If you refuse, you sacrifice your will for God's will, thus showing yourself to be faithful to and trusting in him alone. After all, can't the greater of all things bring you food?
Hell awaits those who take the mark. It's not something one can do by accident, it only happens after the antichrist comes and is resurrected. You can't be tricked into it.
 

Prospero60

Chicken
Just as God marks his people in Revelation, so the Antichrist will mark his. Taking the mark shows you have put your complete faith and identity into the Antichrist and his system. In effect, you have taken Satan's mark and to Satan you will go.
 

piceaabies

Pigeon
As a Swede i have noticed just last week on my skiing vacation here that all the restaurants required you to have an application to order and pay your food with, all which requires a mobile app E-identification connected to your bank.

It seems to me that my country is almost already on the next level after cashless society, which is an smartphone-obligatory society since 99% of people below the age of 60 here use this mobile bank e-identification, and all banks are actively promoting it and making all alternatives harder to use or get.
 

fortyfive

Woodpecker
Below is an excerpt about Antichrist and mark of the beast from a great book I have read> God's Plan for Man, written in 1949 by rev. Finis Jennings Dake.

I think that Dake's interpretations sounds reasonable and all are supported by Scripture.
Only maybe the statement about Antichrist coming from Syria looks currently hardly believable given the actual geopolitical state of the world, but who knows?


Do You Know?

That Antichrist will never reign from Rome or any great capital of the present world? According to Isa. 13:6, 9-13; 14:1-11; Zech. 5:5-11; Rev. 16:17-21; 18:1-24 and other passages the city of Babylon will be rebuilt and will be the capital of the Antichrist during the first 3½ years of Daniel’s Seventieth Week. In the middle of that week he will break his covenant with the Jews and enter into Palestine and make Jerusalem his capital for most of the last half of the Week (Dan. 9:27; 11:40-45; 2 Thess. 2:3-4; Rev. 13). We have already proven in Supplement Eight, Questions 9 and 10, that that Antichrist will come from Syria. Therefore, his capital will be the capital of Syria in the days of the future fulfillment of these prophecies. This capital will be Babylon, as is proven in the above passages.

That Antichrist will not reign over America or be a worldwide dictator? This is proven by the following facts:
(1) He will reign over only ten kingdoms that will yet be formed inside the old Roman Empire (Dan. 7:23-24). Only these ten kingdoms will give their power and kingdom to him (Rev. 13:1; 17:12-17). (2) Certain countries will escape his rule (Dan. 11:40-44). (3) Certain countries will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole world (Dan. 11:40-44). (4) Because he will reign only over ten countries inside the Roman Empire territory and because America never was inside that territory and will never be, and because certain countries escape him we can scripturally conclude that he will not rule America or be a worldwide ruler. See Lesson Forty-eight, Point III.

That multitudes of people of many nations will never take the mark of the beast and they will never be killed by the Antichrist for not doing so? It has been proven in the point above that many nations will not be under the Antichrist. Naturally they will not have to take his mark, and they will not be killed because they will not be ruled by him. The Bible speaks of many peoples of all nations that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Zech. 14:16-21). This further limits the kingdom of the Antichrist to part of the world and also limits his ability to kill everyone who does not take the mark even in his own empire. According to Rev. 14:9-11 no one who has taken the mark will go into the Millennium, but will be sent to eternal Hell. That multitudes go into the Millennium proves they have not taken the mark of the beast and have not been killed, as is taught by many Bible students. If Antichrist kills every person on Earth who does not take his mark and the Lord sends to eternal Hell every one who does take his mark, then there would not be left one person to enter the Millennium. This would be contrary to Zech. 14:16-21; Mt. 25:31-46; Isa. 2:1-4 and many other Scriptures.

That many nations of the Earth will be able to buy and sell and yet not be killed for not taking the mark of the beast? The old theory that every person in every nation of the world will not be able to buy or sell unless they take the mark of the beast is false, as proven by the facts and Scriptures in the last two points above. The law that men will not be able to buy or sell applies only to the kindreds, tongues, and nations that are inside the ten kingdoms of the future that will be formed inside the old Roman Empire. If the Antichrist reigns over only these countries, then it is clear that all nations outside of his ten kingdoms will be able to buy and sell and that they will not be affected by any law that he makes in his kingdom.
 

RKS

Sparrow
The Mark Identified

Immediately after disclosing the number 666, Revelation mentions 144,000 followers of the Lamb, Jesus Christ, who have his name and the name of his Father, Jehovah, written on their foreheads. These names identify the bearers as belonging to Jehovah and to his Son, about whom they proudly bear witness. Likewise, those having the mark of the beast proclaim their servitude to the beast. Thus, the mark, whether on the right hand or on the forehead, figuratively speaking, is a symbol that identifies its bearer as one who gives worshipful support to the beastlike political systems of the world. Those having the mark give to “Caesar” that which rightly belongs to God. (Luke 20:25; Revelation 13:4, 8; 14:1) How? By giving worshipful honor to the political state, its symbols, and its military might, to which they look for hope and salvation. Any worship that they render the true God is merely lip service.

In contrast, the Bible urges us: “Do not put your trust in nobles, nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs. His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish.” (Psalm 146:3, 4) Those who heed that wise counsel are not disillusioned when governments fail to deliver on their promises or when charismatic leaders fall from grace.—Proverbs 1:33.

Identifying the Wild Beast and Its Mark

 

Blade Runner

Ostrich
Orthodox
If I recall, there is another thread on this topic. Quickly, and I may have more to add later, prefigurations and types are seen throughout all the ages and include the testaments of God (what is mentioned in the Bible). These include persons, places, and things. Melchizedek was a type, Babylon was a type, the Angels at the Oak of Mamre were types, the rock following the Israelites was a type.

Similarly, it is a mistake to not recognize the vaccine as a type. I won't and will not take it, but I'm not making a recommendation here as to others should in the sense that it is the, or a, mark. RKS has the right track on this, which is that the vaccine represents the government and "science" or the world potentially "saving" you from death, etc. Same with masks, etc.

That's why a solid contingent of us here reject the idea that we should worship God having anything to do with these "types", as they indicate fear of Death being more important than the fear of God.
 

ilostabet

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
If I recall, there is another thread on this topic. Quickly, and I may have more to add later, prefigurations and types are seen throughout all the ages and include the testaments of God (what is mentioned in the Bible). These include persons, places, and things. Melchizedek was a type, Babylon was a type, the Angels at the Oak of Mamre were types, the rock following the Israelites was a type.

Similarly, it is a mistake to not recognize the vaccine as a type. I won't and will not take it, but I'm not making a recommendation here as to others should in the sense that it is the, or a, mark. RKS has the right track on this, which is that the vaccine represents the government and "science" or the world potentially "saving" you from death, etc. Same with masks, etc.

That's why a solid contingent of us here reject the idea that we should worship God having anything to do with these "types", as they indicate fear of Death being more important than the fear of God.

This is the most important point. Though I would use the word pattern rather than type, this understanding is crucial - not just with regards to the mark but with every aspect of life. These patterns or types are present in every age, in every decade, in every year and in every day - and they were present before Christ came too. On the topic of the mark, just in this century alone, we have experienced many new ones, and several other ones that carried over from the previous century.

If you step back and think of all the things which are 'necessary' (not in themselves, but because the system made them so) to participate in society - and this includes fiat money, identification, even a phone or internet access at this point - you see there are many marks of the beast already in place and there will be more. And you realize it all the more fully if you try to get rid of them, and disconnect. You can't, because it's the beast system, you are locked in.

I shared an article some time ago about a Russian family of 'old believers' that fled the Soviets for a part of Siberia thought to be uninhabitable, and they were only discovered 40 years later. One of the things that became stuck in my mind is that one of the last survivors, an old woman, thought that bar codes were the mark of the beast - she didn't know about this technology when she fled, and to her it was clear as day when she encountered it all of a sudden, without the propaganda to ease it in. And of course, she was right. There are many marks, and there will be more, until there is a final one. We are so accustomed to all of them, we don't recognize them as such. But we must make the effort, because these marks will inevitably lead to the final one eventually.
 
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Some theories even suggest that getting the mark could actually change your DNA making you something other than human. Going back to Nephelim.
Many people ask "Why". Why does getting the mark prevent salvation? I think that's where the DNA idea comes from. Not one I hold to, but I'm not completely against the idea.

Any parallels to the serpent seed theory in your view? As hard as it is to digest a theory like that for me....
 

Uponthisrock

Sparrow
Any parallels to the serpent seed theory in your view? As hard as it is to digest a theory like that for me....
Seprent seed theory as I understand it is the idea that Satan created a seperate line of people through mating with Eve and having Cain?
I ask only to make sure that we are on the same page.
I dont believe that Satan mated with Eve and I'm not suggesting you hold to this view either. Sadly man doesnt need that event for us to be sinful, its almost dismissive of our responsibility.
We have a lot of mythical creatures (Titans, Centaures, Minotaurs, Pan) that can be explained by this idea of Angels manipulating the genetics of the world.
If there is a parallel species of human it happened, when the angels mated with woman, long after Cain was born. I see no reason why this wouldnt still be the case.
Again I dont hold to this view, I'm just aware of it and am willing to give it some merit (I know we are now walking way down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole).
This manipulation could explain why taking the mark makes you inelgiable for salvation as it makes you not human.
However taking the mark could just be a credit like system that doesnt manipulate anything but does require a renunciation of God and an oath to the Antichrist. This being the end of Gods patients. I hold this view to carry more weight.
Throught out the Bible we see God using harsh language and dealing harshly with with those who follow after false Gods.
God has no tolerance for those who seek to sit on his throne.
 
Seprent seed theory as I understand it is the idea that Satan created a seperate line of people through mating with Eve and having Cain?
I ask only to make sure that we are on the same page.
I dont believe that Satan mated with Eve and I'm not suggesting you hold to this view either. Sadly man doesnt need that event for us to be sinful, its almost dismissive of our responsibility.
We have a lot of mythical creatures (Titans, Centaures, Minotaurs, Pan) that can be explained by this idea of Angels manipulating the genetics of the world.
If there is a parallel species of human it happened, when the angels mated with woman, long after Cain was born. I see no reason why this wouldnt still be the case.
Again I dont hold to this view, I'm just aware of it and am willing to give it some merit (I know we are now walking way down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole).
This manipulation could explain why taking the mark makes you inelgiable for salvation as it makes you not human.
However taking the mark could just be a credit like system that doesnt manipulate anything but does require a renunciation of God and an oath to the Antichrist. This being the end of Gods patients. I hold this view to carry more weight.
Throught out the Bible we see God using harsh language and dealing harshly with with those who follow after false Gods.
God has no tolerance for those who seek to sit on his throne.
That's a fair assessment, thanks for the input. I get what you are putting down overall.
 

NoMoreTO

Hummingbird
This is the one I found interesting. That rebuilding the temple in Revelation was rebuilding our bodies, like Our Lord and Saviour referred to his body as the temple. The spirit of God dwells within us. In this way, the mark could be something in the Jab, which attempts to rebuild the Temple and the Spirit in our bodies.

On it's own, there is some interesting content on the Hydrogel nanotechnology is in the image of Baal. 11:30

Could it be possible that the temple which the antichrist wants to sit in, would be the bodies of the temples of God?

 

NoMoreTO

Hummingbird
Revelation 18:23 KJV

Merchants = Bankers/Corporations
Sorceries = Pharmakeia, Pharmaceuticals, Doctors
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
 

M_M

Pigeon
Reposting this from the other mark of the beast thread.

Men. Brothers!
We must put away all private interpretations. For God tells us:
2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

And as Joseph said in Genesis 40:8 And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you.

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Therefore, if we want to understand something in God's word, we must go to God's word. God has the truth, because He is the truth. Do not rely on any man's fanciful imagination.

-Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man and his number is six hundred threescore and six.

Use God's Word to reveal the meaning. Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

So lets begin: Ecclesiastes 7:27 Behold, this have I found, saith the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account:
Ecclesiastes 7:28 Which yet my soul seeketh, but I find not: one man among a thousand have I found; but a woman among all those have I not found.

Only One man among a thousand has he found for the reckoning which his soul seeks. What does his soul seek? The forgiveness of sins.
Who is this one man? It is the Lord Jesus Christ who enters the reckoning which his soul seeks. And He is one man among a thousand.
999 are remaining.

Lets go to Job 33:23 If there be a Messenger with him, an interpreter, One among a thousand, to shew unto man his uprightness:
Job 33:24 Then he is gracious unto him, and saith, Deliver him from going down to the pit: I have found a ransom.

Who is this Messenger, One among a thousand, who can show unto man his uprightness, if there is any? It is the Lord Jesus Christ who can show us our uprightness, or the absence of it. All those who are upright in the sight of God are those whom the Lord Jesus Christ has paid the ransom, so that we do not have to go down to the Pit. And Christ is one among a thousand. There are 999 remaining.

Now lets turn to the prophecy of
Zechariah 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
Zedhariah 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

Remember the 999 remaining symbolically represent the entire human race, Christ excluded.

One third of them will call on Christ's Name, and Christ will say, "It is My people:. But two thirds shall be cut off and die. Two thirds of 999 is 666! This number 666 is symbolically the number of men belonging to the beast, for they represent all the non-elect.



We can even back this interpretation with more Scripture.

2 Sam 8:1 And after this it came to pass, that David smote the Philistines, and subdued them: and David took Methegammah out of the hand of the Philistines.
2 Sam 8:2 And he smote Moab, and measured them with a line, casting them down to the ground; even with two lines measured he to put to death, and with one full line to keep alive. And so the Moabites became David's servants, and brought gifts.

Again. This amazes me. We have to remember the Bible is a spiritual book. David is a "type" of Christ. David puts to death two thirds (666) and he saves alive the one third. Furthermore, these that David "saves" become His servants, and brought gifts. I trust you can see the spiritual aspect of this.


Lets use more Scripture:

2 Kings 1:9 Then the king sent unto him a captain of fifty with his fifty. And he went up to him: and, behold, he sat on the top of an hill. And he spake unto him, Thou man of God, the king hath said, Come down.
2 Kings 1:10 And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
2 Kings 1:11 Again also he sent unto him another captain of fifty with his fifty. And he answered and said unto him, O man of God, thus hath the king said, Come down quickly.
2 Kings 1:12 And Elijah answered and said unto them, If I be a man of God, let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And the fire of God came down from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
2 Kings 1:13 And he sent again a captain of the third fifty with his fifty. And the third captain of fifty went up, and came and fell on his knees before Elijah, and besought him, and said unto him, O man of God, I pray thee, let my life, and the life of these fifty thy servants, be precious in thy sight.
2 Kings 1:14 Behold, there came fire down from heaven, and burnt up the two captains of the former fifties with their fifties: therefore let my life now be precious in thy sight.
2 Kings 1:15 And the angel of the LORD said unto Elijah, Go down with him: be not afraid of him. And he arose, and went down with him unto the king.

We have two groups being consumed with fire from heaven, and one group kept alive after asking for mercy!


One other point. Many believe that this number is of a man. It is not A man. Anti-Christ is not one single man. The Greek manuscripts don't have indefinite articles from what I've been told. It is "the number of man". Meaning it is the number of all of those of will never believe in Jesus Christ, who are deceived by the spirit of anti-Christ.
 

DenizenJane

Woodpecker
So... this vuxxine thing...

I guess the big question now that everyone what's to know is if it is, you know, it....



The truth is I have no idea, and nobody else does either.

It looks like the big scoff in Normieland right now is how preposterous it sounds of taking a few teensy pokes at some clinic could somehow damn the soul for all eternity.





In reality, I would think it more preposterous if the ones dispensing it would bother to take the time to give each and every recipient of the mark a goathead birthday party or sulphur rite or something obvious like that.


"What, so I just sit down and get an injection, all bets are off? Thats it for me then?"


You have to remember that all Adam and Eve had to do is take a bite of a fruit to lead where we are at today. That's all. Just a little suggestion followed by just a little taste.

So yes, in the big picture, it could very well be over for you, bucko.



That's why so many chapters of the Bible are dedicated to encouraging what we would (crudely) refer to today as pulling your head out of your butt and to actually think about what you are doing. Its the overall theme in the old testament (Take the advice book Proverbs for example) and still a major teaching of Jesus in the new Testament.

Its "preposterous" right now because I think the people teetering or all the all-in people who could care less about Christianity or any belief in general are getting this underlying primal worry that these religious nutcases may have the smallest chance of being correct.
 

N°6

Hummingbird
The word ‘vaccine’ comes from the Latin word for cow as the first vaccines contained cowpox.

The Biblical term for ‘cow’ is probably ‘beast of the field’ and the Ancient Greek for pharmacia is translated ‘sorcery’.

Modern technology can regulate buying and selling with social credit and can spline animal dna with humans‘.

The foundational law of Genesis is that fruit bears seed according to its kind. This term is repeated again and again in Genesis. We are in the era of the sterile Monsanto crop and fruit. Human, animal and vegetable DNA was corrupted to such a degree that Noah was remarked as ‘being perfect among his generations’ and was saved by faith and the works involved in crafting the ark. This was the first ark of a covenant that allowed Noah and the bloodline of Adam to survive the destruction of the bastard antediluvian world. Jesus is the anti-type of the door of the ark.

God used the rainbow to seal a covenant with the postdiluvian world that He’d never destroy the world this way again. The rainbow has been inverted to represent sterile deathstyles, transgenderism and ultimately transhumanism under the guidance of the spirits of the hybrids who died in Noah’s Flood. However, when the enemy will come in, like a flood the Spirit of the Lord shall raise up a standard (Is. 59:19 with the comma in the correct place).

As were the days of Noah, so will the days of the Son of Man be. Jesus emphasised his manhood/ human DNA for a reason and will send angels to sort the human wheat from hybrid tares. One of the witnesses who are martyred in the Great Tribulation is probably Enoch for he like all men after Adam are appointed once to die before the judgement. He relayed the eternal prison sentence to the 200 Watchers who invaded Mount Hermon to corrupt the human line with hypergamous women.

GenXers may not be alive at the end but politics, technology, finance and pharmacia have been put in place for the mark of the beast. Alea iacta est.

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To quote the Orange Catholic Bible that was established after the Butlerian Jihad, “Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of the human mind.”
 
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SimpleMan

Sparrow
Has any one considered that the mark is not that complicated.

In the KJB it says that it is ‘in’ our foreheads and ‘in’ our hand. Others say ‘on’, which I feel confuses things.

Our mind, thoughts and therefore our relationship to God are in our foreheads. For many it has allowed us to see what’s currently going on. Our actions are in our hand and what we do, in sinning, and rolling up our sleeve.

Man was created on the 6th day, and we created this world in our image, and therefore created a beast that has got out of control.

If we take this perspective this means the mark has been around for a long time, and could just be about having faith in men, their systems and their laws, over Gods.

Many are putting this world before God and its leading them to calamity.
 
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Hank Hanegraaff of the Christian Research Institute asserts that the tribulation occurred in first century Christianity during the persecution of the Church by Nero. He claims the mark of the beast points to Nero. Interesting but kind of vague take by Hank, I haven't heard this anywhere else in Christian thought.

I've seen similar comparisons made from the Biblicism Institute here:

https://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/articles/riposte/#antichrist
 
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