The Masculinity Crisis and Helping Boys Become Men

EntWife

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox
As the mother of sons, this is a topic that has been on my mind lately. The men have a thread about it, https://www.rooshvforum.com/threads/the-crisis-of-masculinity.41438/ but it's more just going back and forth on theory. I think most of the posters on that thread so far don't have kids. They're on page 9 now, and one of the guys has asked what to do for boys, so maybe the thread will take a more practical turn.

I've been trying to think of ways to help my sons grow into strong, reliable men. Drugs are so bad here, plus the internet has spread extreme degeneracy everywhere, so Treebeard and I keep our kids very close to home. That makes it hard for them to become independent though.

One thing I thought might help would be to get my older son camping gear (which I've already done) and then let him camp in the backyard. This would include making his own supper with his mess kit and backpacking stove. He would need to set everything up, then take it down, clean up, and put it all away. Of course, we'll camp with him a few times to make sure he knows what he's doing. He's thrilled about the idea, but we haven't done it yet because we all took turns being sick, and now the weather is bad.

In another 3 years or so, maybe he can go out in the woods by himself to camp.

I also wonder if we can find someone he can work with when he's 16 or 17 to learn a trade. Then maybe we can do the same for our younger son.

Anyone else have any ideas? It doesn't matter if it's something that wouldn't be applicable for my sons. This thread is for ideas that might help any boys, parents of boys, young men who maybe didn't have a father in the home, etc.
 

Starlight

Pelican
Woman
Protestant
Obviously, having a father present and involved is priority number one. My son is elementary school age and one thing that I think is really important is having core group of good friends that are boys where they can have play dates and wrestle, run around like wild Indians, wack each other with nerf swords, get into a little trouble (but not too much), and kind of learn some of those life skills and boundaries of what is acceptable, a männerbund essentially, that will hopefully continue through adolescence and, if one is lucky, adulthood.

Another thing I noticed lately, that I also think is important, is groups of dads and their sons hanging out together just for fun or at an activity. (That’s what I imagine boyscouts used to be like… ) My son is playing baseball right now and it is so cool to see all the dads out there helping coach and lead not only their own son but other dad’s sons out there. It was supremely cozy to watch their interactions and gave me the feeling of “this is how it’s supposed to be.” The more positive strong male influences in a young boy’s life the better.

I haven’t looked into this recently but there’s a group called “Trail Life USA” that’s basically boy scouts but explicitly Christian. Here’s a link if anyone is interested

(There’s also a girl’s version called American Heritage Girls, for those interested)
 
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messaggera

Pelican
Woman
Other Christian
what to do for boys, so maybe the thread will take a more practical turn.

To address the topic, the masculinity crisis and helping boys to become men, I think it starts with raising a child to be independent and self-sufficient; this is turn will build confidence and to remove the need of being validated by their peers. One can see that in group extra-curricular activities / competitions.

Anyone else have any ideas? It doesn't matter if it's something that wouldn't be applicable for my sons. This thread is for ideas that might help any boys, parents of boys, young men who maybe didn't have a father in the home, etc.

This is a thread for great potential discussions to help single mothers too. And to hear from the single mothers on this forum.

One thing I thought might help would be to get my older son camping gear (which I've already done) and then let him camp in the backyard. This would include making his own supper with his mess kit and backpacking stove. He would need to set everything up, then take it down, clean up, and put it all away. Of course, we'll camp with him a few times to make sure he knows what he's doing.

This is a great idea to teach responsibility and self-sufficiency in an entertaining way. Plus you have the blessing for your older son to have a brother to help mentor along.

I also wonder if we can find someone he can work with when he's 16 or 17 to learn a trade.

There is a husband at Church who is a carpenter. Are there any men in your church who practice trades that may be interested in showing your son (s)? Wood work is something that can be learned like practicing. We had a tree cut down and my husband was able to make three benches just by practicing woodworking.

Local trade unions should have apprenticeship programs.

Was going to post in another thread about homeschool groups, but I noticed the individuals asking the question was in a rural area and our experience would not be conducive - we do not do homeschool groups because we sign up for multiple programs at different non-profit organizations where there are homeschoolers. Plus groups tend to be too constricting for our educational and parental purposes. But the point is to address this:

Treebeard and I keep our kids very close to home. That makes it hard for them to become independent though.

Children can still be raised independent even when kept close to the parents, and not participating in group extracurricular activities - Sometimes allowing children to participate in large groups of peers (outside of neighbors) tend to influence the child development - influenced by their peers.
 

TheLearningWife

Pigeon
Woman
Orthodox
This is a great thread! I don’t have much time right now to write a detailed or organized post, but this is something I am very passionate about as a mother. My father died was I was young and I was an only child, no men or boys otherwise in my small family, but I really like the way my husband turned out so I’m always picking his brain, reading advice from saints close to our times, and including applicable secular advice (which is often from 50 years+ back).

My husband tells me sports is a big one for boys to learn to work as a team, have humility, develop physically, learn discipline, and especially the important lesson of resilience, getting back up when we are knocked down instead of wallowing. Of course sports can get in the way of church later on, especially at the competitive level and if they have games on Sundays, etc, but if one can find the right balance, I think they definitely have their place. He got to a high level, and it’s very obvious playing for years gave him a great foundation for strength, dexterity, and health even years later. I’m referring to baseball specifically, but also probably hockey and soccer fall into this category. Not American football, for various reasons. It’s also important to give boys opportunities to experience injuries/pain and overcome it. I guess that’s controversial these days, but when he was a kid, they set serious (compound?) fractures by telling you “this is gonna hurt” and pulling on both sides of the bone to set it, no pain meds . He finished out games with a dislocated ankle, thumb, fractures, etc.

Sadly, we lost a ton of wisdom and guidance since my husband’s parents died of natural causes before we met. We wish they were around to guide us. His dad was a really smart guy, along the lines of engineering, and he had tons of tools my husband got to use from a young age. They rebuilt car engines together, played with motors, did most car repairs at home. He would explain why problems happened, but also gave his son opportunities to figure things out in his own. My husband was chopping down trees in the backyard starting at 9, as he got older he got to use a chainsaw, work with fire, etc. Where we live, there’s no age limit to getting a boating license, kids will go out on their own at 12 if they know what they’re doing, which is what he did. Many opportunities for independence and figuring things out for themselves. Fishing is another great hobby for boys, there are so may directions they can go in (competitive bass fishing, learning knots, dissembling and maintaining reels, creating molds and pouring their own plastics for lures, building rods, figuring out techniques and multiple variables). We have all the Larry Dahlberg DVDs for when the kids are a little older, he is known for catching big fish all over the world and making his own stuff. He said when he was 9, his dad would leave him at a lake in a row boat with some sandwiches and waters and he’d stay out there overnight, watching how the little creatures and fish moved and interacted together. I remember he said “I don’t think it would be legal these days” lol.

Here are some articles where he talks about his childhood. I can’t find the one about the lake and boat right now because it looks like Google changed their results again, but I’ll post it when I do:



From his mother, my husband learned how to be an amazing cook (and Glory to God because I needed the guidance), she let him and his sister make their own creations from around 5+ and experiment with flavors and seasoning, it was a bonding time to be in the kitchen. She was really funny and a great story teller, admired soldiers and strong men in her family. There were some notable military men on her side of the family and she loved telling him what they accomplished or watching documentaries to see if they could find them in old footage. He got his soft character traits from her.

It is really hard to achieve this in the modern world, at least in America. Every single institution for developing boys has been, in my opinion, targeted for subversion and destruction. Boy Scouts*, the military, etc. I was shocked that kids can’t go to junkyards anymore, 18+, because of liability issues! Can’t even help your father pull parts for a project. So it really comes down to being creative, finding likeminded people, and the balancing act of mom and dad’s influence, along with a lot of prayer of course. Navigating “insurance and liability” issues that didn’t really exist in the past is the trickiest part, so it helps if you can do things at home/on private land.

Other books I like are: American Boys Handibook, The Boy Electrician, The Boy Carpenter, Boy Scouts books from the 1950s, and Dover published experiments for kids.

We do a ton of projects at home and involve all the kids as much as possible. Kids have helped demo a house, use a crowbar to pull up old wood floors (5 years old), paint, drill (toddler’s favorite toy lol), install baseboards with a nail gun, rebuild a dock, go to work with dad on plumbing calls, diagnose and fix our old AC, build a chicken coop out of a shed kit with modifications, fix leaf blowers/generators/lawn mowers, mow lawns as soon as the boys can push em, install windows, change brakes/oil/tires, smoke meats, anything and everything, and especially when it’s a new skill we show them how you’re going to make lots of mistakes and suck at it, but in the long term it will make you more proficient.

Well, I said it wasn’t going to be detailed but here it is

*We went to a local one years ago to see how it was… it was led by a single mom and she had her daughter in the troop. Umm… not what we were looking for. They watched videos about internet safety and movies at the camp sites. Your mileage may vary. Very sad because I have some Boy Scouts manuals from the 1950s and they are awesome!! If anyone’s interested I can post the titles later. Haven’t looked into Trail Life yet, but it’s on the list.
 

EntWife

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox
*We went to a local one years ago to see how it was… it was led by a single mom and she had her daughter in the troop. Umm… not what we were looking for. They watched videos about internet safety and movies at the camp sites. Your mileage may vary. Very sad because I have some Boy Scouts manuals from the 1950s and they are awesome!! If anyone’s interested I can post the titles later. Haven’t looked into Trail Life yet, but it’s on the list.
We've run into this kind of stuff too. We live in a small town in a rural area so there isn't much available anyway. There was a martial arts school we thought about for our sons, only to find out that there was a young woman teaching the kids classes. They've closed down (duh, wonder why), but another one has opened that looks more serious. They seem to place a lot of emphasis on competitions, many of which are probably on Sundays. I'm going to ask Treebeard to check it out though and see if it's appropriate for our sons.

I had to laugh about the guy you mentioned who said his childhood would be illegal now. It's funny, but not funny, if you know what I mean. That makes it a lot harder to raise boys. If a child gets a normal childhood injury, sometimes even just a bruise or a scrape, people ask suspiciously, "Where did he get that??", or "Where was the mother????"

Of course, if the injury is serious enough to need medical attention, they won't treat the child until after they've sent in a procession of different people to ask you how it happened and make sure your story is consistent. It's tempting to say something like, "He obviously broke his arm by being a boy. Now, ARE YOU GOING TO HELP HIM OR NOT??" You don't dare though. You know they'd call CPS in retaliation.
 

Camellia

Sparrow
Woman
Catholic
Great topic and ideas so far! My husband and I are very intentional about raising our boys to be masculine. They have done Jiujutsu and wrestling. I find wrestling fantastic for boys, even though it's not something I can watch them do! At a tournament, our oldest son was pinned down by a very tough boy and had bloody scratches (against the rules) everywhere. Our son was crying and I was so upset I was shaking and wanted to throw the other boy against the wall lol. After that, my husband told me I shouldn't go to the tournaments anymore if I was gonna get like that, so I took his advice :) The last thing I want is to emasculate them! Sometimes a mother can do more harm than good, especially after her kids get to be a certain age.

Our kids play outside unsupervised for hours everyday, which is the way I was raised. So far, none of the other kids have phones, but I'm afraid that'll change at some point. For now, we're thankful that they can have a normal childhood. Yes, sometimes they get hurt or get into a fight, but that's part of growing up. They do a little bit of organized sports but we always make sure they have plenty of free time to just play.

In general, being rooted in God and having a loving, tight-knit, stable family are the most important factors for kids to grow up strong and secure. I also believe nutrition is important in the formative years. We stay away from glyphosate, plastic containers, seed oils, and anything artificial/processed. That leaves most convenience foods out of the picture, so I have to cook almost 100% of our meals from scratch, which takes a tremendous effort but has become second nature over time.
 
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Camellia

Sparrow
Woman
Catholic
I haven’t looked into this recently but there’s a group called “Trail Life USA” that’s basically boy scouts but explicitly Christian. Here’s a link if anyone is interested

(There’s also a girl’s version called American Heritage Girls, for those interested)
Oh, I remember looking at this a few years ago but decided not join because the closest troop was too far away from us. My husband is now thinking about starting a troop himself. Thanks for reminding me!
 

Starlight

Pelican
Woman
Protestant
Oh, I remember looking at this a few years ago but decided not join because the closest troop was too far away from us. My husband is now thinking about starting a troop himself. Thanks for reminding me!
You’re welcome! Around 2016/2017 I really wanted to start an American Heritage Girls troop at my church but I just couldn’t fully commit to leading it with a one year old in tow. At the time when I wanted to start a troop there were about six other American Heritage Girls troops in town; now, post-covid, there is one… that same church hosts the sole TrailLife group within 50 miles…

A few things to consider that stood out to me: 1) It has to go through your church and the church has to be Trinitarian (an individual or other group can’t start a troop), which I think is a good thing. Your Pastor/Priest, along with the congregation, must sign on to be a “charter” and that really just simplifies donations and makes fundraising more simplified but also holds the Church accountable for their troop. 2) The curriculum can be tailored to one’s specific faith tradition be it Catholic, Protestant (if they believe in the Trinity), or Orthodox. There’s badges and a uniform and challenges. One thing I really liked were the “faith” challenges which can be any multitude of things like reading/memorizing Bible passages or sharing the Gospel, etc. 3) It’s pretty expensive… It is several hundred dollars to start up a group (boy or girls) and there is an annual re-up fee. The uniforms are not cheap nor are the badges/patches. The fundraising usually goes toward paying for kids’ patches/badges and uniforms (and any excursions they go on to receive the badges).

If your church has the money and enough kids that would join, my opinion is to go for it! It really is a quality program.
 
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