911 said:
My apologies. I meant porscheguy. I suppose you can see how I got my circuits crossed on that one.
The Mexico Thread aka "Mexico Is Collapsing"
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My apologies. I meant porscheguy. I suppose you can see how I got my circuits crossed on that one.
SamuelBRoberts said:
I repped you for this. I've learned over the years that 90% of peoples' problems, whether individual or collective, is the result of their own pổor choices and a total lack of self-criticism.
Zelcorpion said:
:agree:
El Padrone said:
Correct.
SamuelBRoberts said:
There's some excuse with Mexicans for everything. Late to work? It's the fault of the transportation system. A store doesn't have the product you need? The supplier didn't deliver it this time. Taking actions to prevent problems is not a big part of their collective mindset and this has a chain-reaction effect.
Mexicans really do seem to worry less about what might go wrong (no plan B). This fatalistic way of thinking is not an entirely bad as a strategy for getting through your day. There's a culture of looking the other way and keeping your head down. This is why long-term problems often don't get solved.
1. In front of foreigners, ordinary Mexicans may criticize US policy but this is mostly posturing and positioning. They are sensitive about the image of their country abroad to an absurd degree.
2. Within Mexico, ordinary Mexicans overwhelmingly blame their own political class and the elite, not the US, for what goes wrong (for doing nothing, or for corruption). Almost all Mexicans are on the same page with this, whatever their class background.
3. In private, Mexicans acknowledge that their own culture is to blame for Mexico not being a more advanced and prosperous nation. They'll either blame the lower classes for low education, work ethic, poor nutrition, consumption of mass entertainment and so on; or they'll blame the elites for exploiting workers, ripping off the country and not caring about their own country.
4. There's a type of left-wing activist ('chairos') who bang on about the US and the Mexican political elite. They're vocal but they're a small minority. The presidential election is underway (the vote is in July) and the populist candidate seems to be doing well so far.
I do get where ElPadrone is coming from though.
Having first hand experience of visiting relatives in an area where there's a lot of cartel activity, all a normal citizen can do is just look the other way, and live your life. It kind of reminds me after 9/11 when Americans were scared to ride on planes for fear of terrorist attacks. Not only did Americans started to fly again, but life went on and people were not going to not fly again because of it.
Same thing applies with the average Mexican citizen who lives in places controlled by cartels. One can't do nothing else but live their life and look the other way. You can always call the police when you see a narco who kidnaps somebody, but that doesn't work because the police are bought off by the cartel and if they find out you snitched, you're dead. Mexicans do not trust their own law enforcement and almost always never report cartel activity to the cops, because it could mean your own life.
So what's a normal person to do? Try not to get involved and hope for the best. There's a saying with Mexicans that goes "El que nade debe nada teme" literally translated "One who does not owe anything does not fear anything" or "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" If you don't get involved with them your life expectancy is high, but once you do get involved, your life expectancy drops.
When I went I literally saw billboards and signs on the roads that said in spanish "Don't get involved with drug cartels you pay with your life".
There have been some heroes in this drug war in Mexico and many go unreported. One case was that one doctor that was mentioned earlier in this thread. There have also been many mayors who have fought back against Drug Lords in their towns but many have failed and were killed. I listed a list of all the politicians who were killed in the drug war earlier.
Having first hand experience of visiting relatives in an area where there's a lot of cartel activity, all a normal citizen can do is just look the other way, and live your life. It kind of reminds me after 9/11 when Americans were scared to ride on planes for fear of terrorist attacks. Not only did Americans started to fly again, but life went on and people were not going to not fly again because of it.
Same thing applies with the average Mexican citizen who lives in places controlled by cartels. One can't do nothing else but live their life and look the other way. You can always call the police when you see a narco who kidnaps somebody, but that doesn't work because the police are bought off by the cartel and if they find out you snitched, you're dead. Mexicans do not trust their own law enforcement and almost always never report cartel activity to the cops, because it could mean your own life.
So what's a normal person to do? Try not to get involved and hope for the best. There's a saying with Mexicans that goes "El que nade debe nada teme" literally translated "One who does not owe anything does not fear anything" or "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" If you don't get involved with them your life expectancy is high, but once you do get involved, your life expectancy drops.
When I went I literally saw billboards and signs on the roads that said in spanish "Don't get involved with drug cartels you pay with your life".
There have been some heroes in this drug war in Mexico and many go unreported. One case was that one doctor that was mentioned earlier in this thread. There have also been many mayors who have fought back against Drug Lords in their towns but many have failed and were killed. I listed a list of all the politicians who were killed in the drug war earlier.
Don't whitewash those ''normal'' citizens, if there was no support from the pepole then there is no way those cartels can exist. How come we don't have any cartels in New York?
Those corrupt cops are probably from the same town too, they are turning a blind eye on this shit for a couple of extra pesos.
Those corrupt cops are probably from the same town too, they are turning a blind eye on this shit for a couple of extra pesos.
Blancpain said:
Well yes. Cartels use many tactics to get the local populace on their side.
El Chapo was an expert on this. He would pay for roads and bridges to be built, hospitals, schools, would pay for peoples meals at restaurants, paid for peoples Quincenera parties, paid for local carnivals and fairs, gave ranchers grain for their animals, etc... It was reported that when El Chapo married his 3rd wife, there were many governors who were there and the Mexican military were his guards.
So when a regular person sees this he thinks "hmm, this Chapo guy isn't so bad after all." El Chapo is literally a folk hero in his home state of Sinaloa. But what they don't realize is that yes he's doing all these great things, but only to get you on his side. That's how he got the locals to support him. Hell he escaped twice from maximum security prison in Mexico because he bought off everybody in the prison.
Its all a fucked up situation. Corruption from all levels of society, from the Elites, to the politicians, to law enforcement, to the populace. A big mess of a cycle that will be impossible to get rid of.
So at the end of the day, all one can really do is mind their own business and live their own life.
There is a good series on El Chapo that explains everything about the situation in Mexico. Its very interesting and I recommend you guys check it out. Here is a trailer:
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Yep this is exactly why Mexico is a failed state, escaping from a maximum security prison? This shit doesn't even happen in places like Cambodia. Many people even in developed countries look up to these drug lords as if they are some sort of hero, for me they are no different than terrorists. When I went to Medellin I did no visit Escobars grave for this very reason, If I had I'd only go to take a piss. They help bunch of poor people as a part of PR, but behind closed doors they kill people just to send a message, just for a fucking message. How cruel is that?
Now If I was a dictator of Mexico I'd send a informal message to those guards in the prison that in the event Chapo escapes, everyone will have a bullet in their head, lets see him escape now.
This is why countries like Mexico do not deserve democracy! If Mexico wasn't divided into states and there was a central government with a decent authoritarian leader, the gangs would be tackled way more efficiently.
Yep this is exactly why Mexico is a failed state, escaping from a maximum security prison? This shit doesn't even happen in places like Cambodia. Many people even in developed countries look up to these drug lords as if they are some sort of hero, for me they are no different than terrorists. When I went to Medellin I did no visit Escobars grave for this very reason, If I had I'd only go to take a piss. They help bunch of poor people as a part of PR, but behind closed doors they kill people just to send a message, just for a fucking message. How cruel is that?
Now If I was a dictator of Mexico I'd send a informal message to those guards in the prison that in the event Chapo escapes, everyone will have a bullet in their head, lets see him escape now.
This is why countries like Mexico do not deserve democracy! If Mexico wasn't divided into states and there was a central government with a decent authoritarian leader, the gangs would be tackled way more efficiently.
El Padrone said:
The fact there is barely any media coverage of Mexican cartels is why we trust Trump (who gets hated on 24/7) and not your bullshit about Mexico. Mexcio's crime and suffering isn't given nearly enough attention that it deserves, because otherwise Trump would be even more popular with building a wall.
Perhaps many are analyzing the Mexican society and culture exclusively through the lens of their own when it comes to its internal functioning.
From a practical and pragmatic POV when it concerns say immigration and commerce with, then definitely you have very valid concerns and questions.
But when it comes to how such a society or nation handles its affairs internally then perhaps you should try to reflect a bit more on the historical facts on how it came to be until its contemporary Form.
I have myself very little actual knowledge of it but I will risk stating that despite their not very effective embrace of republican values during their respective independence processes most Latin American societies never truly renounced their colonial if not European medieval (coupled with respective native customs depending on the places) structures. Hence why even more cosmopolitan countries like Argentina and Uruguay almost inevitably ended up under the effective control of "strong men" leaders.
From a practical and pragmatic POV when it concerns say immigration and commerce with, then definitely you have very valid concerns and questions.
But when it comes to how such a society or nation handles its affairs internally then perhaps you should try to reflect a bit more on the historical facts on how it came to be until its contemporary Form.
I have myself very little actual knowledge of it but I will risk stating that despite their not very effective embrace of republican values during their respective independence processes most Latin American societies never truly renounced their colonial if not European medieval (coupled with respective native customs depending on the places) structures. Hence why even more cosmopolitan countries like Argentina and Uruguay almost inevitably ended up under the effective control of "strong men" leaders.
El Padrone
Woodpecker
^ wall? That con(who married a post wall whore) (but no worries, he's the ultimate alphamale)can build a wall to his hearts content! Its fake news that he once said MX will pay for the wall.But many will say " oh, he'll make mexico pay later!". Trump is a great "dealmaker" who spends his "executive time" doing frantic behind the scenes work! I wonder what the little guys he stiffed of their pay think of that or those who invested in his crappy venturesor his own terminally ill fucking nephew he had cut out of pops inheritance. .
I also wonder how many inches of Ryan and Schumers cock he took in before he had a gag reflex just to get his funding! I love tRump too to tell you the truth. I wonder if he'd fellate Enrique Pena to get a honeybee in his behind.
I also wonder how many inches of Ryan and Schumers cock he took in before he had a gag reflex just to get his funding! I love tRump too to tell you the truth. I wonder if he'd fellate Enrique Pena to get a honeybee in his behind.
El Padrone said:
These breakdowns are always fun. You know they've snapped when their spelling goes to shit.
Man, the wall's not even BUILT yet and already people are melting down. Just wait until the thing goes up, and we start sticking serious tariffs on Mexico and taxes on remittances to pay for it.
Blancpain aren’t you the guy who did acid in Bogota then went on a crazy taxi tour of the city? Then you were on here but got banned for being a Turkish supremist or something? You do realize that once you get banned, you can’t make a new account and come back, right?
You may want to lay low bro
You may want to lay low bro
Here's former Mexican President Vicente Fox on Hannity last night talking about Walls
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/01/...order-wall-i-worked-bush-trump-acts-offensive
Fox completely agrees with The Wall, he says borders must be secure and safe and order is necessary, and he totally agrees with kicking out illegals and building walls, just as Mexico has done with illegals from their southern border....but he's butt hurt at Trump because Trump said mean words about Mexicans and he's trying to negotiate to make Mexico pay for it. Then he talks about working with President Boosh for 5 minutes. His main argument against the wall is, you don't really need the Wall that bad, don't waste your money, it's way too expensive, save your money gringos! [/Mexican excuses]
Build The Wall and make Mexico pay for it.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/01/...order-wall-i-worked-bush-trump-acts-offensive
Fox completely agrees with The Wall, he says borders must be secure and safe and order is necessary, and he totally agrees with kicking out illegals and building walls, just as Mexico has done with illegals from their southern border....but he's butt hurt at Trump because Trump said mean words about Mexicans and he's trying to negotiate to make Mexico pay for it. Then he talks about working with President Boosh for 5 minutes. His main argument against the wall is, you don't really need the Wall that bad, don't waste your money, it's way too expensive, save your money gringos! [/Mexican excuses]
Build The Wall and make Mexico pay for it.
Blancpain said:
The Central government has been a cancer to colombia. No state presence outside the capital= 3 Communist guerrillas, Para-military groups, Drug cartels. And millions of "desplazados"
porscheguy
Kingfisher
The violence isn’t limited to just border towns. The most violent state in the country is Guerrero where the latest video was filmed. It’s also the state where Acapulco is located. When I was a kid, Acapulco was where every American with a few nickels to rub together went for a winter break. Celebs included. Now the only people who go there are a handful of middle class Mexicans who are willing to look the other way. Guerrero is also the state where their main cash crop is poppy.
As others have mentioned, the US media has an agenda to conceal the truth about the violence south of the border. The Allende massacre went totally ignored by everyone including their federal government and our leftist media. If people were aware that over 300 people were disappeared just 30 miles south of Texas I think most democrats would think twice about their dreams of diversity.
The drug trade adds $50 billion to the Mexican economy each year. You can’t put that much money in Mexico unnoticed. The current president has even said he’s not concerned about the trafficking, he just wants to reduce the violence. I’m not sure how you can reduce one without reducing the other, but it’s clear they don’t want to lose the revenue stream.
As others have mentioned, the US media has an agenda to conceal the truth about the violence south of the border. The Allende massacre went totally ignored by everyone including their federal government and our leftist media. If people were aware that over 300 people were disappeared just 30 miles south of Texas I think most democrats would think twice about their dreams of diversity.
The drug trade adds $50 billion to the Mexican economy each year. You can’t put that much money in Mexico unnoticed. The current president has even said he’s not concerned about the trafficking, he just wants to reduce the violence. I’m not sure how you can reduce one without reducing the other, but it’s clear they don’t want to lose the revenue stream.
porscheguy said:
I never heard about the Allende massacre.
Ones I did hear about and are very known in Mexico are the San Fernando Massacres of 2010 and 2011. Where migrants on passenger buses where highjacked and the cartel killed every person aboard.
2010 Wikipedia San Fernando Massacre
2011 Wikipedia San Fernando Massacre
Its probably one of the most gruesome cases of innocent people that I've heard of. Something like 300 people were killed and buried after both massacres.
Gunner
Woodpecker
Blancpain said:
Please tell me more about how "a central government with a decent authoritarian leader" can keep under its control the 13th largest country and 10th most populated which neighbors the largest drug consumer country in the world.
The ignorance about people who have been in Mexico for just a week and read just what the media tells them is astonishing. Like me saying how's life for someone in Nebraska and I've never been in Nebraska!