The Mexico Thread aka "Mexico Is Collapsing"

[Blancpain]

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Yep this is exactly why Mexico is a failed state, escaping from a maximum security prison? This shit doesn't even happen in places like Cambodia. Many people even in developed countries look up to these drug lords as if they are some sort of hero, for me they are no different than terrorists. When I went to Medellin I did no visit Escobars grave for this very reason, If I had I'd only go to take a piss. They help bunch of poor people as a part of PR, but behind closed doors they kill people just to send a message, just for a fucking message. How cruel is that?

Now If I was a dictator of Mexico I'd send a informal message to those guards in the prison that in the event Chapo escapes, everyone will have a bullet in their head, lets see him escape now.

This is why countries like Mexico do not deserve democracy! If Mexico wasn't divided into states and there was a central government with a decent authoritarian leader, the gangs would be tackled way more efficiently.

Please tell me more about how "a central government with a decent authoritarian leader" can keep under its control the 13th largest country and 10th most populated which neighbors the largest drug consumer country in the world.

How come there are no cartels in China running around and challenging the authority of the government? The most populated country on earth, 3rd or 4th largest land wise.

Thailand has a drug problem too, but you don't see any thugs running around challenging the governments authority either.
Russia borders the EU, probably the largest or second largest drug consumer, how come no cartels there? Largest country by land size

What do all these 3 countries have in common? There is no democracy, thank god.

If there was democracy in China , it would be a shithole like India with gangs running around extorting money from people, we'd have a chinese version of yakuza with very creative torture methods.

 

[Leonard D Neubache]

I get that Mexico is a dangerous place where cartels kill people with impunity but let's not pretend that America or England or Australia is fundamentally less corrupt. We may lack the violence and the body count but more dirty money runs through DC per month than Mexico's entire GDP.

Crooked cops? I posted this on the EE thread.

“Get Out of Jail Free” Cards

In the movies I’ve seen people who try to get out of a traffic ticket by telling the police officer they made a donation to the policeman’s ball, but those were comedies. I had no idea that not only does this exist there are official cards. In fact, the police in New York are livid that the number of cards is being limited...

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-9856-post-1724558.html#pid1724558

We may enjoy looking down our noses at the pathetic peasants of Mexico who we revile for their spinelessness in dealing with corruption but our own corruption is an order of magnitude higher. The only difference is we don't give a shit because the bodies pile up elsewhere in the world to keep our gas prices low and our wallets fat.

Ruby Ridge and Bundy Ranch are about the only instances in recent history of Westerners actually standing up to corruption and tyranny. Prior to that the West can boast of little but unbridled peasant-ism stretching back to WW2 and beyond.

The idea that we're fundamentally more moral than the Mexican peasant is misguided. We have an entire series of civil wars to fight and about a million politicians to hang before we regain the right to thumb our noses at Pedro.

The Mexican peasant has an AK47 pointed at his head. What's our excuse?

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

This brutality inherent in Mexico reminds me of the current murder-wave sweeping across not only South Africa, but every African country where there are some white farmers left:



Lauren Southern spent some time there recently and the tortures perpetrated by those savages are akin to Mexican cartels. When you have babies decapitated in front of their mothers, then it's no longer about any robbery gone wrong.

Of course those things there are fueled by a deep-seated hatred towards whites, but honestly they do such brutal murders also to their own.

It reminds me of a scene in history where the Zulus had massacred a white settlement and then all the soldiers. Later when more reinforcements were sent the British won and captured the Zulu leaders and a great portion of their warriors. When the British officer said: "What makes you think that we won't massacre you the same way as you did with us?"
The Zulu said: "Because that is our way, not your way."

So that bastard was counting that the Europeans were more civilized than them. Of course he was right, but still.

I wonder how long it will take for them to change their ways....

 

[infowarrior1]

ALAMANCA, Mexico—The first call, from someone claiming to belong to the Michoacán Family drug cartel, came in February 2015.

“They said they knew who I was and where I lived,” said Alberto Arredondo, who got the call at work as a pump technician at an oil refinery in the central Mexican city of Salamanca. “They wanted information.”

At first, Arredondo hung up.

“But they were insistent,” he said, calling back and demanding details of when fuels would be pumped and through which pipelines.

Over the next two years, Arredondo said, he would be hounded, kidnapped, pistol-whipped and stabbed so severely that surgeons removed his gall bladder. In December 2016, he fled to Canada, where he now seeks asylum from gangs that steal fuel from Salamanca and five other refineries operated by Pemex, the state-owned oil company.



Fuel theft is fast becoming one of Mexico’s most pressing economic and security dilemmas, sapping more than $1 billion in annual revenue from state coffers, terrorizing workers and deterring private investment in aging refineries that the government, following a 2014 energy reform, hoped instead would be thriving with foreign capital.

Because of government offensives that toppled narco kingpins in recent years, Mexico's drug cartels have splintered and are eager for new sources of revenue. Now, their increasingly dominant role as fuel thieves pits two of the country’s biggest industries - narcotics and oil - against one another.

The cash-rich cartels, believed by the Mexican government to generate well over $21 billion each year, are an increasing threat to Pemex, which in 2016 reported revenue of about $52 billion and generates about a fifth of government income.

“The business is more profitable than drug trafficking because it implies less risk,” said Georgina Trujillo, a ruling party congresswoman who heads the lower house energy commission. “You don’t have to risk crossing the border to look for a market,” she added. “We all consume gasoline. We don't all consume drugs.”

Pemex did not respond to detailed questions from Reuters about the cartels and fuel theft. Among other questions, Reuters asked about the cartels’ impact on the refineries, Pemex’s security measures and how the company responds to extortion and violence against its employees.

Using the habitual narco offer of “plata or plomo,” or “silver or lead,” gangs extort refinery workers into providing crucial information. Their tactics, coupled with fighting between groups jockeying for access to the racket, have led to a surge of violence in cities like Salamanca, home to a third of the fuel taps discovered in Mexico in 2016.

Mutilated corpses of refinery workers, police and suspected fuel thieves increasingly appear around the city, terrifying its 260,000 residents. Cartels routinely festoon Salamanca with “narcomantas,” banners that mark territory or spell out grisly threats to rivals.

In Guanajuato, the surrounding state, investigators opened 1096 murder cases last year, 14 percent more than in 2016. That is a 71 percent increase over 2013, Peña Nieto’s first full year in office.

Interviews with Pemex and Mexican security officials, authorities in Guanajuato and locals affected by fuel theft describe an increasingly desperate situation for the industry and the regional economy. Interviews with Arredondo, the former pump technician, and Juan, a cartel member and admitted killer turned federal informant, show the heavy toll inflicted on people on both sides of the theft.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/mexico-violence-oil/

 

[infowarrior1]

The violence isn’t limited to just border towns. The most violent state in the country is Guerrero where the latest video was filmed. It’s also the state where Acapulco is located. When I was a kid, Acapulco was where every American with a few nickels to rub together went for a winter break. Celebs included. Now the only people who go there are a handful of middle class Mexicans who are willing to look the other way. Guerrero is also the state where their main cash crop is poppy.

As others have mentioned, the US media has an agenda to conceal the truth about the violence south of the border. The Allende massacre went totally ignored by everyone including their federal government and our leftist media. If people were aware that over 300 people were disappeared just 30 miles south of Texas I think most democrats would think twice about their dreams of diversity.

The drug trade adds $50 billion to the Mexican economy each year. You can’t put that much money in Mexico unnoticed. The current president has even said he’s not concerned about the trafficking, he just wants to reduce the violence. I’m not sure how you can reduce one without reducing the other, but it’s clear they don’t want to lose the revenue stream.

When this cancer is concealed then its inevitable that this will spread.

Unless people respond to this barbarism on par to how they are currently dealing with ISIS.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< Imagine gangs doing the same in the US.

The entire FBI, NSA and police force coupled with the National Guard if need be - would come crashing down on them. The US government would arrest thousands, the IRS and others would confiscate billions and such organisations would be utterly wiped out.

This is more an indicators of complete loss of the rule of law.

 

[Gmac]

Here's former Mexican President Vicente Fox on Hannity last night talking about Walls

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/01/...order-wall-i-worked-bush-trump-acts-offensive

Fox completely agrees with The Wall, he says borders must be secure and safe and order is necessary, and he totally agrees with kicking out illegals and building walls, just as Mexico has done with illegals from their southern border....but he's butt hurt at Trump because Trump said mean words about Mexicans and he's trying to negotiate to make Mexico pay for it. Then he talks about working with President Boosh for 5 minutes. His main argument against the wall is, you don't really need the Wall that bad, don't waste your money, it's way too expensive, save your money gringos! [/Mexican excuses]

Build The Wall and make Mexico pay for it.

It's pretty funny you have a former Mexican President on US television being talked down to like a petulant child. Can you imagine the leader (ex or otherwise) of any other country being treated that way, on national TV?

 

[lonewolf1968]

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Yep this is exactly why Mexico is a failed state, escaping from a maximum security prison? This shit doesn't even happen in places like Cambodia. Many people even in developed countries look up to these drug lords as if they are some sort of hero, for me they are no different than terrorists. When I went to Medellin I did no visit Escobars grave for this very reason, If I had I'd only go to take a piss. They help bunch of poor people as a part of PR, but behind closed doors they kill people just to send a message, just for a fucking message. How cruel is that?

Now If I was a dictator of Mexico I'd send a informal message to those guards in the prison that in the event Chapo escapes, everyone will have a bullet in their head, lets see him escape now.

This is why countries like Mexico do not deserve democracy! If Mexico wasn't divided into states and there was a central government with a decent authoritarian leader, the gangs would be tackled way more efficiently.

Please tell me more about how "a central government with a decent authoritarian leader" can keep under its control the 13th largest country and 10th most populated which neighbors the largest drug consumer country in the world.

How come there are no cartels in China running around and challenging the authority of the government? The most populated country on earth, 3rd or 4th largest land wise.

Thailand has a drug problem too, but you don't see any thugs running around challenging the governments authority either.
Russia borders the EU, probably the largest or second largest drug consumer, how come no cartels there? Largest country by land size

What do all these 3 countries have in common? There is no democracy, thank god.

If there was democracy in China , it would be a shithole like India with gangs running around extorting money from people, we'd have a chinese version of yakuza with very creative torture methods.

How diverse ethnically and culturally speaking are those countries you are describing as opposed to central america and part of south america which are a bunch of real melting pots who lack a sense of cultural and ethnical belonging.

 

[scotian]

China and Thailand are more ethnically diverse than say, Colombia, they just do a better job at crushing internal dissent.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

China and Thailand are more ethnically diverse than say, Colombia, they just do a better job at crushing internal dissent.

First - not all diversity is equal. Importing 50 mio. Chinese to Europe would not make Europe less safe.

Second - China's diversity is highly homogeneous - the only group that are causing massive problems are the Muslims. The same is true about Thailand. And this is not a racial issue.

 

[infowarrior1]

China and Thailand are more ethnically diverse than say, Colombia, they just do a better job at crushing internal dissent.

First - not all diversity is equal. Importing 50 mio. Chinese to Europe would not make Europe less safe.

Second - China's diversity is highly homogeneous - the only group that are causing massive problems are the Muslims. The same is true about Thailand. And this is not a racial issue.

Highly homogenous Africa remains a massive shithole for example. Homogeneity just makes dealing with certain problems easier to deal with.

Traditional sex roles(Patriarchy) bring advantages like making civilization possible and solves many problems. But problems still remain, only that it is made easier to deal with.

Like the absence of single motherhood and subsequent bastard offspring and the pathologies thereof.

 

[Blancpain]

Let me give a small example, I've been to both Mexico and Belarus. The income levels in these countries are very similar, in nominal terms Mexico is slightly higher, in PPP terms Belarus is an inch higher.



Mexico is a democracy, there is free speech and all that, elections are transparent and fair.
Belarus is a totalitarian regime. You are fucked if you get involved in politics, no free speech.

But I felt more free in Belarus as a person, at 3am, I could walk alone at night in the middle of the streeet with a laptop in my hand.
For me this is FREEDOM

Not to mention Belarus was light years ahead of Mexico in terms of infrastructure and cleanliness.
I knew for a fact that if some random thug tried to rob me, the cops would be on my side. There is real government authority.
Since it is a police state it is extremely hard for your average joe to get ahold of guns, only the government authorities have access to firearms.
Things like this give me piece of mind.

P.S: I despise communism and any movement associated with it. Belarus was just an example.

 

[lonewolf1968]

Highly homogenous Africa remains a massive shithole for example. Homogeneity just makes dealing with certain problems easier to deal with.

Traditional sex roles(Patriarchy) bring advantages like making civilization possible and solves many problems. But problems still remain, only that it is made easier to deal with.

Like the absence of single motherhood and subsequent bastard offspring and the pathologies thereof.

Etnically and Culturally speaking.

Africa might be a highly homogenous continent in terms of phenotypes and genotypes. However, bear in mind Africa has a history of highly sectarian and tribal differences as opposed to a clearly much more homogenous China, Asia. Add to the mix the Muslim influence that kills thousands in Nigeria and other parts of sub-saharan africa.

Imagine if we had large muslim populations centers in mexico, center america or south america, We would have it really worse.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

The Aztecs were racially homogeneous, but were cutting out hearts on a daily basis and 60% of men had no women at all. Even in the worst of European or Chinese post-caveman time I doubt that the societies would have ever accepted anything of that sort.

In China it's mostly the Muslims there causing the problems. The same actually for Thailand - go figure.

Belarus is Christian, uniform and the dominating race is not 85-IQ Mectizo/South American Indian. The IQ differential is 15 points. It is even lower in Africa and IQs matter.

And yes - large Muslim populations in South America would make things even worse. I wonder why all of this is so hard to accept.

Current state of every country is a mix of:

+ current level of IQ of the dominant tribe (it can go up or down in time with positive eugenics and k-selection or the reverse)
+ current dominating ethical mindset - usually religion, but even a social set of rules can be sufficient - or remnants of it with many Euro-centric coutnries which are still influenced by Christianity - here also is included the work-ethic, the attitude towards work etc - protestant Christians, North Asians, Jews - having each a specific cultural set of values which are advantageous for the development of a tribe - those sets can change over time
+ current political system which takes into account both points mentioned above - if you have a more civilized people, then you can have direct democracy, the more easily manipulated and less concentrated the people are, then the more autocratic you need to be to get some semblance of order
+ current economic system prevailing in the country - when you are living in communism, then you can have a 120 IQ people - it will be shit anyway

And none of those criteria above are set in stone - IQs can budge over generations, systems can be changed even faster, religions even - they come and go over the centuries.

An African country can implement positive eugenics and become a Marvel-like Wakanda over the centuries while the Swedish Caliphate can devolve into a Mexico-like shit-hole. The current cultural marxists can destroy quite a few Western countries before they are stopped.

Personally I see all people I meet individually and only perceive the entirety of a country based on what can be observed and seen as a result of the current state.

We will see how it goes. From a cosmic or divine view it does not matter. There are saints and geniuses among almost all tribes, cultures, religions or races. We still have immense freedom in our world - if one country or area goes to shit, then you can simply move and have a nice life elsewhere.

I for one don't care so much about one country or not doing better - so long as we finally have some intergalactic space-faring tech developed - and I am out. Earth is so pedestrian - heh.

 

[Elster]

I for one don't care so much about one country or not doing better - so long as we finally have some intergalactic space-faring tech developed - and I am out. Earth is so pedestrian - heh.

I'd rather investigate sperm whales and undersea thingies, that's some mind bending shit!

 

[DamienCasanova]

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/least-25-killed-mexico-over-bloody-weekend-191833147.html

Mexico to send troops to stem violence after record 25,000 murders

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexican officials said on Sunday the government was set to unleash a new wave of troops to crack down on criminal groups in regions where a surge in violence led to more than 25,000 murders last year.

National Security Commissioner Renato Sales said federal police troops will work with local officials to round up known major criminals and bolster investigations.

The aim was "to recover peace and calm for all Mexicans," he said. He did not provide details on the number of federal police to be deployed.

More than 25,000 murders were recorded last year as rival drug gangs increasingly splintered into smaller, more blood-thirsty groups after more than a decade of a military-led campaign to battle the cartels.

Violence is a central issue ahead of the presidential election in July. Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto's ruling Institutional Revolutionary Party is trailing in third place in recent polls.

Sales said federal police troops would be deployed in the states of Colima and Baja California Sur, the resort town of Cancun and the border city of Ciudad Juarez, among others. He said more details would be forthcoming within days.

Earlier this month, the United States slapped its most stringent travel warnings on the states of Colima, Michoacan, Sinaloa, Tamaulipas and Guerrero, ranking them as bad as war-ravaged Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq.

At least 25 people were murdered in Mexico this weekend, according to officials and local media, including nine men who were executed at a house party in a suburb of the wealthy northern industrial city of Monterrey.

Masked gunmen burst into a home in San Nicholas de los Garza as a group watched a local soccer team play on television, according to state prosecutors. Seven were killed at the scene and two more died later at a hospital.

There were a wave of attacks in night spots late Saturday and early Sunday. A group of armed men killed three people in a bar in the resort city of Cancun, a Chilean tourist was killed in the Pacific beach resort of Acapulco, and two more were killed in a bar in the capital of Veracruz state.

Six more were killed in the border city of Ciudad Juarez and four more died in the border state of Tamaulipas, where at least 10 were killed during the week at outlaw road blockades and in shootouts, local media reported.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Acapulco 1980:



Mexico was not rich in the 1970s and 80s, but it was stable in it's own right.

Something happened to the country starting in the 1980s - and I would bet my left nutsack that it had something to do with the Big Boys who wanted to start the stampede to the US.

Though of course - it takes two to tango.

 

[germanico]

The Aztecs were racially homogeneous

We wouldnt know, conquistadors left very few of them alive.

But then they had the Tlaxcaltecs, the Olmecs, the Tultecs, the Chichimecs, the Purepechs, the Huastecs, the Totonacs, and at least 2 dozen others from which they took slaves, women and hostages every season, each one of them with their own language, culture and traditions.

Oh, you mean they all where "racially homogenous" because they where all brown?

 

[911]

Racially though, they were very homogeneous by global standards, because their common ancestors crossed the Bering Straight about 15,000 years ago. There's been plenty of time and space for cultural differentiation across the centuries, but pre-Columbian America is not the complex racial jumble of the old world.

 

[germanico]

Boots on the ground opinion?