The Miley Cyrus trainwreck

RexImperator

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(Warning: Link to Feminist Op-Ed piece in The Guardian)
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/27/miley-cyrus-twerking-double-standard

My interpretation of said piece:

Her mistake... If only she had first put in more time ingratiating herself with a gay audience, then this kind of stuff would be considered "pushing boundaries" and applauded, instead of just "trashy", at least by media critics.

Funny quote:

Possibly, the most uncomfortable thing about the 20-year-oldʼs performance was watching her gyrate her semi-clad self against a fully dressed Robert Thicke (whoʼs 16 years her senior)
 

AnonymousBosch

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Blaster said:
There are many facets to an entertaining musical performance besides shock, sexual liberty, reckless abandon, and extravagance.

Those qualities describe porn more than music, and I don't buy music to jack off with it. There are prettier girls than any female music star on the streets of my town, and they haven't deliberately made themselves as ugly and masculine as Miley now has, skinny or not. It's interesting that women would see her performance as a display of High Social Value because she's famous, but it's Low Value to my eyes.

Why do I buy music? Artistic expression, talent, virtuosity, higher thought, honesty, emotion, beauty, subtlety, nuance, ferocity, life experience and insight.
 
I understand I'm a new member, but too many men on this forum are having the same knee-jerk reaction that fat women & insufferable hipsters are having.
 

scorpion

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la_mode said:
I understand I'm a new member, but too many men on this forum are having the same knee-jerk reaction that fat women & insufferable hipsters are having.

I'm pretty sure I'd have the same reaction a fat woman or a hipster would if you shot a firehose full of shit directly at my face.

Sometimes bad is just bad, and it's clear to everyone.
 
It's simply not "red pill" (code for Alpha, I've gathered that) to put so much stock into Miley Cyrus' on-stage behavior. Yeah, it was pretty dumb, but society needs diversions to keep itself entertained.
 

scorpion

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la_mode said:
It's simply not "red pill" (code for Alpha, I've gathered that) to put so much stock into Miley Cyrus' on-stage behavior. Yeah, it was pretty dumb, but society needs diversions to keep itself entertained.

Red pill is not analogous to Alpha. Red pill is just a euphemism for seeing reality for what it actually is instead of accepting the delusions society has foisted on you from birth.

Alpha is mostly not worrying what is alpha.

Miley Cyrus is a trashy hoe headed for a mental breakdown.

Damn I'm on a roll here. Anyone else got some words I can define? :laugh:
 

T and A Man

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The dissent isn't 'Alpha' expression.

The dissent is proclaiming her performance asa waymarker of the further degradtion of western culture.

Society and culture isn't 'Alpha' at all, in fact it's about optimsing the motives and rewards for those that aren't.
 
scorpion said:
la_mode said:
It's simply not "red pill" (code for Alpha, I've gathered that) to put so much stock into Miley Cyrus' on-stage behavior. Yeah, it was pretty dumb, but society needs diversions to keep itself entertained.

Red pill is not analogous to Alpha. Red pill is just a euphemism for seeing reality for what it actually is instead of accepting the delusions society has foisted on you from birth.

Alpha is mostly not worrying what is alpha.

Miley Cyrus is a trashy hoe headed for a mental breakdown.

Damn I'm on a roll here. Anyone else got some words I can define? :laugh:

Getting into semantics now, but it's pretty obvious that alpha/red-pill are synonymous, even if the definitions are different.

Example:

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-15682.html
 

scorpion

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The red pill analogy is taken from The Matrix, and the movie provides a good way to explain the difference between red pill and alpha.

Remember all those other people on the ship? They took the red pill. They see and understand reality for what it is. But they aren't alpha.

Morpheus and Neo took the red pill, and are also alpha.

Red pill describes the way you look at the world, alpha describes your actions and status in the world. There are plenty of guys who are red pill but not alpha, and also plenty of guys who are alpha but not red pill (also known as naturals).

Red pill = internal
Alpha = external

They are not the same.

Also, I find it find it pretty amusing that a poster with zero rep links me to a post by another guy with zerp rep as evidence for the definition of red pill and alpha. What will you link me to next, Lindy West on game? I suppose that is if you're not too busy trying to correct Peyton Manning on his throwing motion, or giving Warren Buffett some advice on stocks.

:laugh:
 

iknowexactly

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Why does everyone bitch about her bad dancing, when people make movies like "Saw" about cutting human beings up to torture them, and THAT's not considered obscene or challenged?

Puritans.
 

iknowexactly

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Blaster said:
T and A Man said:
The dissent isn't 'Alpha' expression.

The dissent is proclaiming her performance asa waymarker of the further degradtion of western culture.

Society and culture isn't 'Alpha' at all, in fact it's about optimsing the motives and rewards for those that aren't.

As for the rest, I saw Miley imitating Madonna without her gravitas,

You've got something there... Madonna had something way beyond what MC does. It was a totally different story.. Madonna moved alone to Manhattan and although she had a supportive family ( she commented that her parents never yelled at her, were always kind) that doesn't nearly have the totally contaminating effect of being a millionaire at 16 which I assume MC was from Disney earnings ( even though they're held in trust.) It looks like Bieber who is suffering form the same early wealth-fame is equally socially tone-deaf. Even the rock stars of the 60s who got rich at 22-24 ( Hendrix) couldn't handle it.

18 is way too young to handle being a god.

The song from her album after Madonna's marriage dissolved was really sad, truly a good song.

MC seems like a garden variety emotionally sterilized lesbian. Being abused will fuck you up, but being totally, utterly spoiled, sexually, financially, and adoration-wise is no picnic either.

Forget the name, goes like:

"Maybe someday
When I look back I'll be able to say
You didn't mean to be cruel
Somebody hurt you too

You can't hurt me now
I got away from you, I never thought I would
You can't make me cry, you once had the power
I never felt so good about myself"

But I don't believe all this "culture is dying" stuff, human nature doesn't change--not at all, unless you look in time spans of millennia.

Different cultures grow and die like people, but they all go through the stages of ambition, power, arrogance, sloppiness and destruction. Then another
one starts the same process. You have to be old to have heard all the cries of dismay for decades, to realize they too never end and never change.

Fear of apocalypse is a young man's game.
 

Giovonny

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iknowexactly said:
people make movies like "Saw" about cutting human beings up to torture them, and THAT's not considered obscene or challenged?

I agree. I think those types of movies are trash and they are a bad influence on society.

I advocate more sexuality, not more murder and torture.

iknowexactly said:
Fear of apocalypse is a young man's game.

Lol!

Haha.. Young men scare easily.

Veterans have been through this stuff many times.

This "aint your first rodeo"
 

Excelsior

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Giovonny

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I finally saw the show. Miley did give a terrible performance. Her handlers should also take some blame for allowing that.

I must day, I think the show really did a lot to help the cause of 30+ guys who target 18-22 girls.

Not only did 20yo Miley get sexual with 36yo Robin Thick, comedian Kevin Hart joked about Taylor Swift and Selena Gomex needing to stay away from Thicke and not try to fuck him.

The message was that a well dressed 36 year old man is fuckable. Millions of young girls watched the show and were influenced by this subliminal message. This was a good thing in my opinion.

Then Robin Thicke got photographed fingering a young groupie.

I also think that "Blurred Lines" video did a lot to advance the cause of older men seeking younger women.

These events teased the boundaries of taboo and sexual culture and I think the result is that more girls will be open to dating a man over 30. :thumbup:

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