The movie Groundhog Day

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Cheers for the replies, nice to get other takes on it. The parallel universes is a good point in relation to narcissism, its very true that people in a narcissist world view are just extras to their main story which is possibly why we are focused on Phil for the entirety of the movie.

Does anyone attribute any symbolism to the clock striking 6 everyday?
 

debeguiled

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Paracelsus said:
But even then, he's still not free: wisely, the film doesn't allow him to change all events, the homeless man still dies no matter what Phil does to try and save him. I think this is probably the most important lesson the film has to offer in the world of right now, today. I guarantee a cheap, exploitative remake of Groundhog Day coming out tomorrow would have a scene in which the homeless guy finally lives through the night thanks to Phil's efforts.

Why would that matter? Because of the darkest personality trait of all, the one that can survive in the Pope and the pauper alike: narcissism, the idea that people don't have their own existences independent of you, that they are extras in your personal story. Phil's weary assertion of that very idea, that he's a god, is the exposition of that persistent, pernicious flaw in him.

Phil being unable, consistently, to save the homeless guy is his object lesson and immunisation against narcissism: people die because they have lives independent of ours, and there's nothing we can do about it, no matter how hard we try, no matter how hard we love them, no matter how much rage we project against them, we are only extras in their stories. They have an existence of their own as real, as painful, as joyful, and sorrowful as our own.

This realisation is a key step up and out of Phil's enslavement to himself. And it's also fundamental to the Golden Rule and at the heart of most religions practiced thoughtfully, which is why so many religions claim Groundhog Day as exemplifying their principles.

But then the narcissism of the West is blinding. Consider the sad comedy in this observation from the late Harold Ramis about his film:

It always seemed ironic to me that it didn’t lead people to recognize the commonality of all their points of view, but rather, "This must be about us and only us."

Harold Ramis, as quoted in "And If He Sees His Shadow…" in Shambhala Sun (July 2009)


Fucking hell bro, with insights like that, you could start a cult. And of course there would be no danger of narcissism in that scenario.
 

stugatz

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Leonard D Neubache said:
I think one of the interesting points of the movie is that it's premised around the idea that Phil is essentially a good guy.

I don't want to take the thread to a dark place, but it's reasonable to surmise that if he ever simply got jack of the whole scenario and went on a raping or killing spree then he would forever be compromised and could never redeem himself, even though nobody would remember it the next day.

The only person he ever kills is himself (unless the groundhog counts).

I've seen the movie easily 15 times and never thought of that. He's a bitter, jaded prick who's angry at the world, but clearly is only that way because he's had a rough time in life - not because he's an evil person when the chips are down.

The scene where Phil talks to Rita where she's asleep is one of my favorite monologues in any film, easily, and it manages to not be saccharine. He tells her he loves her and wants her as a partner, but it's far more than that. When he saw her for the first time, he was genuinely humbled and awed. He sees the woman of his dreams in front of him, and is willing to do whatever the hell it takes to make himself the prize.

When he finally lands her in the end, she's the one who throws herself at HIM. He's finally become the best version of himself, and he's got plenty of happy decades waiting in front of him.

(Oh, and a response to the post above - I remember that Harold Ramis said in an interview that Phil was caught in the loop for 10 years, but he never spelled it out, he left it up to the audience to fill the blanks in. I've never heard 10,000 years. That many times isn't funny.)
 

puckerman

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I haven't watched it in a long time, but this is making me want to watch it again.

Part of the reason for its appeal is that it makes us ask the question: What would you do if you were stuck living the same day over and over again? I would certainly use that to improve myself.

In fact, Phil grows and lives a lot, even though time stands still for him. It would certainly be an interesting thing to live through.

Thanks for the thread.





This video counts that Phil spends 12,395 days in the film.

 
puckerman said:
I haven't watched it in a long time, but this is making me want to watch it again.

Part of the reason for its appeal is that it makes us ask the question: What would you do if you were stuck living the same day over and over again? I would certainly use that to improve myself.

In fact, Phil grows and lives a lot, even though time stands still for him. It would certainly be an interesting thing to live through.

Thanks for the thread.

This video counts that Phil spends 12,395 days in the film.

Someone said that many people would turn to the dark side at least for a while. And I personally think that this is a very real possibility for a big majority of people. Killing, raping, doing evil things and then finally realizing that this does not make one happy.

The makers of course left that part out, because it would not fit a comedy and it would also not endear the main character to the viewers.

But in reality this is how in my opinion life works. You experience the good and the bad until you realize in the end that only the good makes you truly happy and fulfilled.
 

Paracelsus

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puckerman said:
I haven't watched it in a long time, but this is making me want to watch it again.

Part of the reason for its appeal is that it makes us ask the question: What would you do if you were stuck living the same day over and over again? I would certainly use that to improve myself.

You could only improve yourself mentally. You'd be imprisoned in your body as much as in the town. Sperging out for a moment, if it's only Phil's consciousness that transfers across, said consciousness including all his memories, it wouldn't actually make him any better at piano. Yes, you'd learn to read music, identify tone and whatnot, but since your body wouldn't be changing from day to day your finger muscles would still be the same each morning. Put it another way: do you think Phil could've become a black belt in karate if he happened to find a dojo in Punxatawney?
 
Paracelsus said:
puckerman said:
I haven't watched it in a long time, but this is making me want to watch it again.

Part of the reason for its appeal is that it makes us ask the question: What would you do if you were stuck living the same day over and over again? I would certainly use that to improve myself.

You could only improve yourself mentally. You'd be imprisoned in your body as much as in the town. Sperging out for a moment, if it's only Phil's consciousness that transfers across, said consciousness including all his memories, it wouldn't actually make him any better at piano. Yes, you'd learn to read music, identify tone and whatnot, but since your body wouldn't be changing from day to day your finger muscles would still be the same each morning. Put it another way: do you think Phil could've become a black belt in karate if he happened to find a dojo in Punxatawney?

Actually this point is quite interesting.

Certain kind of skills like music as well as others while not being transferred through the lives get picked up a lot faster the longer you are at it as Soul over the lives.

There is a reason why men like Mozart or Bach were able to play so easily at age 4 and compose at age 7 while others worked on it for decades and could not accomplish the same thing - despite the fact of being even smarter in terms of raw IQ.

There are spiritual men who can look back over lifetimes and find out that such individuals sometimes get reborn the 7th time each time as a musician until it culminates in that one Mozart lifetime. So in a way you learn it anew, but much much faster and reach far greater heights.

Phil's experience in the movie very much shows that.
 

puckerman

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Paracelsus said:
Put it another way: do you think Phil could've become a black belt in karate if he happened to find a dojo in Punxatawney?

The movie kind of implies that he would be able to do that. He keeps the memories from day to day.
 

3extra

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This speech is very relevant to this thread.

It's sad that the speaker eventually succumbed to the mire of the self via suicide.

 

Tex Cruise

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I don't know. From reading this thread, the links, and youtube comments I can't help think there's a lot of interpreting things that were never intended going on. What if the writer just heard "I got you babe" twice on consecutive boring days and thought "Hey! What a great idea for a comedy."

I've seen Groundhog Day a few times since it came out. I managed to catch most of it on TV fairly recently and it was interesting to see it again through post red pill eyes.

The part OP describes as Phil trying to "game" Rita and failing, I thought was more like him pretending to be what she says she wants.

Well that's not gonna work... Wimminz don't got no idea what they want. That's what Betas do.

Eventually Phil has all the discovery, self improvement, etc etc...

Probably my favourite scene is the piano scene.



Phil is leading the band (as evidenced by the stop with his fist) and the crowd is vibing with the band. Phil changes the vibe back and forth. He is owning that room with cool confidence and modesty. He is the absolute Alpha of Punxsutawney at that moment... and just look at her reaction.
 

Paracelsus

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Tex Cruise said:
I don't know. From reading this thread, the links, and youtube comments I can't help think there's a lot of interpreting things that were never intended going on. What if the writer just heard "I got you babe" twice on consecutive boring days and thought "Hey! What a great idea for a comedy."

In fairness, the script did go through a number of drafts before it reached its final format.

http://geekandsundry.com/groundhog-day-through-the-projector-lens/

Rubin started on it when he had the thought "If a person could live long enough, would they ever change?" As originally pitched to Harold Ramis, it was basically as follows:

Rubin’s script, though very clever and funny, was an awkward fit for a mainstream comedy. Phil Conners, the protagonist, very clearly spent tens of thousands of years in the time loop, enough time to make him more than a normal mortal man and leave him icily isolated from the rest of the world. The script had no setup, instead plunking us years into the time loop and leaving Phil’s narration to catch us up. Maybe most difficult was the darker ending, which saw Phil freed from the time loop, but trapped Rita in an endless cycle of February 3rds. The overall effect was something much darker and more contemplative.

Ramis made changes to it:

Ramis, and once he was cast, Bill Murray, worked with Rubin to retain the special aspects of the script while making it funnier and more heartwarming. They played up the romance with Rita, and made the length of the time loop more unclear but definitely shorter- Harold Ramis said he wanted it to feel like 10 years. Bill Murray’s inclusion also made Phil’s character crustier, but more charismatic, and a lot of Phil’s lines ended up being improvised (because of course, Bill Murray). The studio also asked Rubin to provide a reason for Phil’s day to be repeating over and over again, but he felt this would ruin what was special about the story and was better off unexplained. Ramis agreed, and never shot the explanation scene Rubin was forced to write.

Film is one of those special creatures where, occasionally, just occasionally, the horse designed by a committee turns out to be an Arabian thoroughbred, a magnificent work of human innovation and natural evolution.

As for what Rubin himself thought of the film:

“The absolutely worst day of Phil’s life took place under the exact same conditions as the absolutely best day of Phil’s life. The best day and the worst day were the same day… The only difference was Phil himself, what he noticed, how he interpreted his surroundings, and what he chose to do… Phil has the power to change other people’s lives. It’s not just whether or not he catches the kid falling out of the tree. A smile or a kind word and a sense of excitement… all can effect the people around him and change the nature of his own environment.”

“His existence isn’t neutral in the world… The world changed because Phil changed. That means the difference between a good day and a bad day may not be the day, but the way we approach the day.”

Tex Cruise said:
The part OP describes as Phil trying to "game" Rita and failing, I thought was more like him pretending to be what she says she wants.

Well that's not gonna work... Wimminz don't got no idea what they want. That's what Betas do.

Women like to kid themselves that sexual attraction is always magic, effortless, natural, has no obvious cognitive component to it. Rita loses her shit when she sees Phil adding up her likes and dislikes as a sort of mathematical equation to be remembered for next time, giving her the impression that she is some problem to be figured out. She believes that Phil is just trying to find her triggers so he can bang her, which he is -- but that's because he doesn't know how to become close to another human being other than by pressing particular buttons. Phil at this moment is sperging beta, the classic Nice Guy Syndrome in action.

Let's not let Rita off the hook, of course. Massive dissonance happens when she realises that she is being manipulated by someone who knows what she likes, and thus the rage.

Tex Cruise said:
Phil is leading the band (as evidenced by the stop with his fist) and the crowd is vibing with the band. Phil changes the vibe back and forth. He is owning that room with cool confidence and modesty. He is the absolute Alpha of Punxsutawney at that moment... and just look at her reaction.

Notice that Phil's not owning the room self-consciously or deliberately. Like the rest of his behaviour in Punxsutawney by this point, he is doing this in order to show everyone else in the room a good time. If there's much ego in it, it's only that he has grown to love playing, performance, and piano. There's also a thrill in this, too: ever had that one moment on a stage that you wanted to go back and redo, correct that stutter, strike that G chord true rather than muting it with a misplaced finger? Phil gets to do that every night. And he gets to improvise every night with a different set. And it's all for the people out there listening.

The guy is right in the middle of serving others, and in the middle of loving what he does. He is unshakeably his own man. That's what Rita is attracted to.
 
Bill Murray did also the Razor's Edge and he literally had to strongarm the studio in order to finance it. He had to promise to appear in Ghostbusters before they green-lit this movie.

It appears that Bill has a certain affinity for the topics of reincarnation and spirituality.

Most of Hollywood is a stark opposite and the producers as well as many writers are psychopaths.

For example a movie like Fight Club cost the entire production crew the job, since it was too much anti-establishment.

Also the first Matrix movie was spiritual despite the idiotic symbolic ideas that the Wachowski sisters truly had in mind. The Matrix has a similar topic that it encompasses the realization that we are immortal all-powerful spiritual beings caught in a fake matrix of reality. Of course the Wachowskis and the studio started adding a world of globalist symbols and topics into it. And that is why the people did not like the second and third installment.

The spiritual procession should have been made that way that Neo starts being able to bend the very reality realizing by movie 3 that the IT-generated matrix is not the only one - life itself is a matrix, just a more divine one.

In a way sometimes a movie comes out way better than the makers intended due to chance, pressure of a spiritual actor or good impromptu ideas.

However in recent times the studios have exercised way more control on big mainstream projects and hardly a movie goes through that is not filled with globalist-feminist-marxist-Agenda21 propaganda. Movies are not meant to entertain the serfs, they are meant to indoctrinate you and divert the attention from what is really happening in the world.

Movies like Groundhog Day, Fight Club or the first Matrix are accidents in the Matrix.
 

Thomas More

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Nolecbo said:
The original script made clear he stayed in the loop for 10,000 years. Harold Ramos decided that revelation made the movie more depressing than funny so it was edited out.


www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/762403/Groundhog-Day-theory-explains-how-Bill-Murray-Phil-was-trapped-and-escaped/amp

I think it was 10,000 days. Damn! Can you imagine living the same day every day for 10,000 years!?! That's longer than human history (although there is some really interesting pre-history that goes farther back).

I had heard a bit on NPR discussing this topic years ago. After responding to Nolecbo, I read the rest of the thread, and saw the video estimating 12K days or so. I disagree with their analysis. They estimate a separate 3,833 days to learn French, to learn piano, and to learn ice sculpting. These are all ridiculous. Even assuming he learned all to a level of complete mastery, he could have done all three in two years. Several of the other posts mention Harold Ramis saying he thought it was about 10 years. That's only 3650 days, and even that is a very long time.

It is interesting with this movie, and with every other aspect of life, to look at it with red pill eyes. Before the red pill, there were so many dynamics I couldn't see, and there were so many other issues I saw from a completely different blue pill perspective.

In this case, I think the best lesson is that he attracted Rita when he finally raised his true value. Game couldn't do it in the sense of acting a certain way around her. He couldn't just act different to get her, he had to be different.

Also the idea that when he was playing piano so well, or doing the other things, it wasn't just to show off or attract attention to himself. He was truly raising the quality of the evening for everybody there, in a giving way.
 

The Beast1

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Guitarman said:
Somebody should make a simmilar thread about "Being John Malkovitch".

Another great movie. Being John Malkovitch is an elaborate story of reincarnation, the spirit world, and the world of matter.

There's a great post on Godlikeproductions that break down the film. I'll repost it here:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1174461/pg1?disclaimer=1
Being John Malkovich DECODED!!! aka being john malkuth
It's a story about reincarnation, and the Whiteman's sick needs to have everlasting life. Not able to obtain it on a spiritual level, they seek it on the physical level, earth. This would be the mundane effect, the metaphysical point this movie is spirit falling in love with matter, the fall of man. The movie opens with a puppet show. Making the point that you are being controlled, there is an energy that needs you to remain human. Also that this character in the movie is playing the masculine force [spirit] seeking to control matter. You see the puppet in the movie looking at a mirror; he breaks it with the glass. This is pointing out the illusion which he is trapped in and so on. This automatically lets us know in terms of the story that the puppeteer was going to have a "spiritual" experience because he was trying to bust through his illusion. Turns out he IS spirit and he was seeking a physical experience [True death, to be reborn, or lost in matter].

The two main characters, husband and wife, he's a puppeteer and she's has a house full of animals, both are actually playing the role of spirit who are infatuated with matter, him puppets, and her "beasts". When he's force to get job, in the elevator he has to get off at the 7-1/2 floor. A black woman show's him how to do this. Now, of course the black woman can get to the high levels he can't. He's on the 7 -1/2 not quite the "8" [escaping the 7 chakra prison]. We know you have 7 chakras, this tells us he not ready to move on or can't. The black women can who is wearing a purple coat [crown chakra]. He's interviewing for a company "Lester" which means "Less-Star". The lesser star is the sun. In the interview the boss, holds up the letter "R" and a random symbol and as the main character a question. This "R" stood for Ra, he is the sun, who dies and is reborn on earth every day. This is why this man turns out to be the guardian of the portal. It's a filing company; I took this to represent the subconscious mind, or the records of the many lifetimes, or the DNA.

Now, lets get down to why the named the movie "Being John Malkovich". First thing is this, the director and writer in interviews would talk about when he wrote this he had Malkovich in mind, Malkovich passed on it and it was a chore to get him interested in the movie but finally he said he would do it. He could have just as easily named the movie after any actor who fills the role. His name is also John, which is as you know John Doe, a prostitute's call there customers John's, they way he's going to be used as the puppet, the name suits him. Show's that the body or physical is nothing but a John. White boys think in ritual, they know certain energy use correctly can end with a predictable result. From Cabbala, the Sephiroth for earth is called "Malkuth" so you have a story about people who can't get the higher realms stuck in a pattern of reincarnation on the earth realm falling back to Malkuth or Malkovich. The higher realms representing the number 8 and the 7-1/2 floor has a gateway back to earth [not quite in, but not quite out].

In the office, the boss tells the husband [John Cusack] that he's age 105, 1+0+5=6, 6 is the number of man, [carbon is 6 on the table of elements, carbon beings]. Or look at the number itself "6" the point at he top is where you start and the circle at the bottom is where you are, spirit falling to earth or matter, now "9" which is completion, is where you are on earth and you transcending earth back to the sprit realm hence the circle now at the top. The boss also says he drinks nothing but carrot juice, rich in Vitamin A, which you also get from the sun again making this point, Keep the number 6 in mind, it came up a lot in this movie. He's in a restaurant with his boss, the camera cuts to clock; the minute hand is on "6" as the boss speaks. He also talks about himself saying line after line about his male sexual prowess, further more making the point that he's the masculine energy [sun]. Also we don't know yet in the movie he's talking about reincarnation or becoming the rising sun again, but he is.

Back at the office, the main character, the husband, tells his coworker, about being a puppeteer, it's great because you get to "control" someone, your in their skin, this is spirit talking about how great a life in matter really is or how he's developing a love affair with it. Later when he finds this portal, the clock says exactly 2:22, 2+2+2=6. When he first goes through, he is in the head of Malkovich, he's experiences matter. John is doing mundane shit, eating toast. Tells co worker how you get to be in the head of Malkovich for 15 minutes, 1+5=6. He's changed and ranting about how he feels "alive". This while he sits in front of a rainbow picture, this is of curse representing the chakras. When his girlfriend goes, John is in the shower, you hear her talking about how great it feels, just a shower and him toweling off. This is sprit experiencing matter, which is supposed to be fucked up, now made to feel great. She like her husband talks about this profound feeling they now have, they understand, they never will be the same. The whole shit turned around, you should feel this way if you a man having a spiritual experience, but now, spirit now having a physical experience have become the most profound thing, all backwards.

The second time his wife goes back, she is falling in love with matter; she is becoming addicted to it, like us. They decide to sell this service to people. The first man they send through goes in at 10:05 pm, again 1+5=6. This is symbolic of them sending spirit to a physical reality. Now he, his wife and coworker are talking about how much they are all in love with this thing they are "doing", again another reference to them falling in love with the illusion. As the movie moves on, him and his wife fall in love with the coworker where they both make their feelings known, The coworker says she wants the wife, BUT only in Malkovich, Later on as the movie goes on in this situation, the husband [feed up]locks the wife up in a cage, symbolic of spirit being locked down again, while he fools the coworker into seeing John while he's in Johns body, all symbolic of spirit enjoying flesh, the material world. He starts to control Malkovich, spirit now learning to work with matter, forgetting who he really is, blinded by this lust.

Side note: The monkey is in the cage with the wife, he has a flash back to his youth, when he and his parents were captured, and he get's inspired to untie her hands because he couldn't do it for his parents in his flash back, they all were captured and his hardships began. This is symbolic of him UNDERSTANDING the problem is matter and knowing as a monkey you should be free of it to truly be free. The director making the point once again, he conscious of the story he is telling. I now believe to make a movie in Hollywood this day, you must tell a hidden story to even seem competent and to be considered for anything relevant.


John is getting wise to the fact the he is being controlled, freaked out, and talks to his friend about what was happening, "something is controlling me", "something or someone is in my head", this is matter having a spiritual experience now, he says he MUST find out "what this is". He follows the coworker, [who is in a relationship with him because the wife portals to John when they have sex] and makes his way to where she is selling tickets to his portal. Which is a just a vagina to the physical realm, which they say at one point John "has a vagina". John as he's finding out what's really going on he has a hat with an apple on it. The apple is a representation of knowledge, Eve gave Adam the apple and he was conscious, Malkovich is becoming conscious of spirit now. By the way, they charged $200 bucks for this service, the 2= 1 spirit + 1 matter meets. John goes through his own portal. He sees every one looks just like him, they say nothing but his name, what he now sees is it's all a illusion, nothing is real but you, THE LAWS OF ATTRACTION, everything you see is you and comes from you, even what you so-called don't like or what you so-call enjoy, he is conscious now. When his 15 minutes are up he says these exact words… "That was no simulation [he seen spirit, the real world], I have been to the dark side, I have seen a world no man should see" [again no man should see]. "That portal is mine and it must be sealed forever for the love of god." Very heavy shit, He now understands what matter is, that it's bullshit, he telling spirit, this shit must end, seal the gateway.

When the coworker, finds out it was the husband and not the wife in Malkovich the last time they had sex, she doesn't' give a shit, spirit is not a man or a woman, it's androgynous. It's the same thing as far as she is concerned, this is why you can reincarnate as man or a woman in your next lifetime, we they same thing! She goes to see Malkovich knowing that the husband will be in him, John opens the door to give her a piece of his mind, his apt is "43" 4+3=7. If is now fully conscious, he is attached to the god head. The wife now looking for answers goes to Lester's house. She see now that the coworker doesn't love her, but loves MATTER. They talking in front of the "fire place" and he has a stuffed "hawk" on the table, both symbols of the sun. She asks all about Malkovich, which she is really asking about, is Malkuth. She tells him of how addicted to Malkuth she has become. The husband as John tells his coworker, it's all about becoming one with John, I know how to stay in him forever, think of it like an expensive suit, spirit now beginning to get stuck in matter. As he talks to her, he has her "red" lipstick all over his lips and on his face. It's the husband now in John in the root chakra. The coworker tells him "stay in him forever". He says, "I can use him to launch my "puppeteering" career.

Lester tells the wife, when Malkovich becomes 44, he will be ripe. 4+4=8 the symbol 8 turned on its side is infinity, or as above so below, where sprit and matter become one the two circles mix [spirit and matter in a infinite connection he's the sun so he needs to come in the 8]. He said if he misses this time, he will get diverted in to a baby, and become absorbed, in the brain of this person, a "prison", doomed or trapped in a baby brain. Aware, but not able to control or remain conscious of self. Kind like the state of black folks now, trapped and imprisoned in their baby brain.

John [no controlled by the husband] goes to his agent, and tells him he wants to now be a puppeteer, his name should now be synonymous with "Puppets'. A random guy talking about John in his new career is, really talking about the Husband [the spirit that animates John] says this: "he breaths life into inanimate objects, it's a godlike thing. Malkovich [Malkuth] shows us a reflection of ourselves, our frailties, and our desperate humanity". As spirit, who fell in love with matter, John is creative, adding art to the world, showing how he gives life to matter in the form of controlling the puppets [like black folk until we got addicted]. Lester [Lees-Star] calls him phone and says get out, WE want the vessel, the sun wants the body, for it to live, it needs to RULE matter ignorance with reign supreme. You will work, picnic, define your life and movement by the sun and the time it defines for you, if it doesn't shine, you don't have a good day. This a true slave master who dictates how you plan your life day to day as a mere human. It wants the vessel and you it!

They kidnap the coworker, the wife with Lester, the wife and coworker go through the portal, this is interesting, they go through the subconscious mind of Malkovich, the wife chasing the coworker trying to kill her. Technically all they are now in Malkovich, the coworker, wife and husband who I believe they said he was in him for "8" months at that point. They showed you exactly 6 events in the life of John as they chased each other. All 6 were fucked up events; here they show you how it's not a good thing to be human. I thought that was very interesting, they showed you what you have become, one scene the show John sniffing women's panties in a random bathroom. When the husband finally leaves John because of the pressure, but says he will go back, Lester and his crew go through the portal, have new life as the sun in the physical world. The coworker, represent so great mother goddess; she became pregnant who the baby who turned out to be the wife's when you was in John. Less-Star tells the wife not to kill her; she's carting the next vessel, Johns "Seed". Everything revolved around her and their love for her. The husband left the body because of her and vowed to go back to be with her.


The husband goes back through but the portal now gets stuck as the child of John, he gets the baby brain, spirit stuck and now unconscious of it self. He looks at the wife and coworker raising the baby that his is imprisoned in; he has now become the true puppet. he gets lost in the physical, and can't remember what he is as spirit.

On the mundane level, you have a story about how great it is for you to be human, Humanity is powerful and not to be played with, they joy of be able to come back and never get old, another grand mind control flick decoded.
 
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