The Movie Thread

BURNΞR

Ostrich
Agnostic
From what I saw in interviews, yes, the new Dune movie only goes about 2/3 through the story?

It depends on where you put an end to the story. The author died before he could finish his book series and his son basically finished it off using some of father's ideas. With the director's pacing he could easily finish off the Atreides vs. Harkonnen story with just part 2. I think going any further would not end well. Sicario was a fun film but Sicario 2 had a massive drop in quality in comparison because Denis Villeneuve had nothing to do with it. If part 2 is done by someone else I'm not sure I will go to theater to watch it.
 

DeWoken

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
That's what I was afraid of. Even the trailer is confusing to me (have not read the book).
That is preferable to the trailers that tell you the whole plot, don't you think?

I found Paul's mother's dialogue to be hard to understand without subtitles - which I often use.
I think it was officially announced there will be a part 2.
Looks like it. Here's a long but interesting article.
(no capcha for Tor open)
 

renotime

Hummingbird
Catholic
Gold Member
The protagonist not only became an apostate, he worked for the Japanese against the spread of Christianity in the country.

He was a reverse Saint Paul.

It's been a few years since I've seen that movie, but I think he was doing that to save Japanese from being killed. When the Japs were trying to get him to apostatize by stepping on the face of Jesus, Jesus's voice came to him and told him it was alright. At the end of the movie he died with a crucifix in his hand. Seems to me like he held onto his faith, but in secret.

Scorsese poses a lot of tough questions to viewers and he's not for everyone. Life isn't black and white. Silence was a good movie, but man was it a tough watch. Seeing the Christians murdered was punishing. Probably won't ever watch that movie again.

Another movie of Scorsese's that deals with a man battling sin is Mean Streets. I think it's great, but I'm guessing most people in here wouldn't like it because it has no plot. But man, De Niro's performance in it is killer.
 

Sitting Bull

Woodpecker
Trad Catholic
It's been a few years since I've seen that movie, but I think he was doing that to save Japanese from being killed. When the Japs were trying to get him to apostatize by stepping on the face of Jesus, Jesus's voice came to him and told him it was alright. At the end of the movie he died with a crucifix in his hand. Seems to me like he held onto his faith, but in secret.

Scorsese poses a lot of tough questions to viewers and he's not for everyone. Life isn't black and white. Silence was a good movie, but man was it a tough watch. Seeing the Christians murdered was punishing. Probably won't ever watch that movie again.

Your rendering of the movie's message is perfect.
On the other hand, as a traditionalist Christian I find this message subversive in the extreme.
Sure, life isn't black and white, but on some issues we happen to have more or less guidance from the Christian tradition and Scriptures.
And on that particular point, I contend, the guidance is unanimous . From Abraham ready to sacrifice Isaac, to the mother of the Maccabees getting her children ready to die for their faith, to Christ himself dying on the cross, to all the martyrs ...
 

renotime

Hummingbird
Catholic
Gold Member
Yes, but Abraham was told by God to kill his son and Christ died for our sins.

Scorsese is asking us (and possibly himself) what we would do in the situation of being tortured and watching others tortured or renouncing your faith. I don't know if there is a message in the movie. Maybe it's that God forgives. Jesus did say "Forgive them, for they know not what they do."
 

Enoch

Hummingbird
It depends on where you put an end to the story. The author died before he could finish his book series and his son basically finished it off using some of father's ideas. With the director's pacing he could easily finish off the Atreides vs. Harkonnen story with just part 2. I think going any further would not end well. Sicario was a fun film but Sicario 2 had a massive drop in quality in comparison because Denis Villeneuve had nothing to do with it. If part 2 is done by someone else I'm not sure I will go to theater to watch it.
Once they finish the Dune plotline I can't see them doing Children of Dune. Bland and uninteresting novel compared to Dune, focusing on Paul's younger sister and Duncan Idaho clone. A well done film or miniseries focusing on the rise of artificial intelligence and enslavement of humanity (prequel series) could be great and apropos to our time.
 

RedLagoon

Kingfisher
Orthodox Inquirer
Just watched "last of the mohicans" https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0104691/

incredible film with loads of relevancy to the current day, some quotes are shocking.

"Daniel Day-Lewis is well known for going to extremes in preparation for his roles. For this film he lived in the wilderness where his character might have lived, hunting and fishing and living off the land for several months prior to shooting."

Also watched "gran Torino" https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1205489/

Fantasic, salvation isn't always what you expect it to be.

Staying in an RBNB waiting for the baby to pop and this host seems to know good movies!
 
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NickK

 
Banned
Orthodox
It's been a few years since I've seen that movie, but I think he was doing that to save Japanese from being killed. When the Japs were trying to get him to apostatize by stepping on the face of Jesus, Jesus's voice came to him and told him it was alright. At the end of the movie he died with a crucifix in his hand. Seems to me like he held onto his faith, but in secret.
This is a demonic plot. Never in Christian history has this happened, a martyr to choose to betray God in order to supposedly fulfill the second commandment "love your neighbour". Any time this dilemma has appeared, Christ's martyrs gladly and unhesitantly chose to die for God and not fall for satan's trick. It's his voice that the deluded priest heard. He was in prelest throughout the movie.

The satanic director also made sure to negate the martyrdom of the Japanese peasants. He purposefully built them up in the first half only to spit on their face in the second half.

The Japanese "Christian" drunkard is the winner of the movie.
 

Mentun

Pigeon
Orthodox
I saw Dune a few days ago, very comfy. The pacing was very well done considering the book was a slog. The director cutting out scenes of a certain character was probably the best decision he could make. Didn't care for the useless doctor in the book. 10/10
 

ball dont lie

Kingfisher
Gold Member
I didnt think the new Dune movie was very good. Honestly the syfy mini series from 20 years ago was probably better.

Paul is the main point of Dune and he doesnt give off the aura he needed to. Dune the planet is boring, the city is empty, there isnt enough foreshadowing about him being the next superhuman. Its a very bland take on a messiah coming. The fights are passion less, and the fight at the end of the movie is very bad.

I actually skipped over chunks they were so boring. (I found an HD version online).

Getting real bad out there for films.
 

get2choppaaa

Hummingbird
Orthodox
I’ll never understand what people liked about Once Upon A Time In Hollywood. An hour and a half into it, I googled the plot just to see if the movie actually had one.
I agree. The movie was crap and that weirdo Tarantino has a strange foot fetish and sleeping woman fetish that is quite bizarre.

What the Germans would call : Quatsch!

The pitbull scene was overly gory, though not unrealistic for a viscous dog attack i suppose... But the scene with Gregory Peck and the Dobermans from The Boys from Brazil was much much better if you want to see that sort of thing.

Franky the only good Tarantino writing was True Romance, and that's mostly due to the scene with Dennis Hopper and Christopher Walken about eggplant.
 

DeWoken

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
I can enjoy most Tarantino stuff but it is kind of being phased out of my intellectual diet. The Hateful 8 was disgusting.

Franky the only good Tarantino writing was True Romance, and that's mostly due to the scene with Dennis Hopper and Christopher Walken about eggplant.
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renotime

Hummingbird
Catholic
Gold Member
This is a demonic plot. Never in Christian history has this happened, a martyr to choose to betray God in order to supposedly fulfill the second commandment "love your neighbour". Any time this dilemma has appeared, Christ's martyrs gladly and unhesitantly chose to die for God and not fall for satan's trick. It's his voice that the deluded priest heard. He was in prelest throughout the movie.

The satanic director also made sure to negate the martyrdom of the Japanese peasants. He purposefully built them up in the first half only to spit on their face in the second half.

The Japanese "Christian" drunkard is the winner of the movie.

No one said any of the Jesuit priests were martyrs. And the Jesuit characters in the movie are based on real people.


The guy that wrote the book Silence was a Japanese Catholic and and was inducted into the Roman Catholic Order of St. Sylvester by Pope Paul VI.

And to call Scorsese satanic is a major stretch. At worst the guy is a bad Catholic. You act as if man has never strayed from God. It's pretty normal for Catholics to screw up and waver. Probably why confession was invented.
 

Tom Slick

Kingfisher
Orthodox
That's the only reason you didn't like it? So what if it had no plot? Some of my favorite movies like Boogie Nights, Goodfellas, Pulp Fiction, Uncut Gems don't have any plot. Plot is overrated.
"It had no plot" in this case is not saying it did not have a classic three act story with a character development arc, it's saying there was little of interest or suspense happening onscreen.
 

Tom Slick

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Just for general movie conversation, I want an airing of grievances on Tarantino, who creates films that are often torture and humiliation porn in films like Django Unchained and Inglorious Bastards where blacks and Jews humiliate and torture whites.

QT "borrows" (being generous here) and derives the vast majority of his material (1) from other films (2) and also "borrows" other directors' styles and shots (3), but he's certainly not the only one who has done that.

(1) The famous torture line from Pulp Fiction about working someone over with a blowtorch was lifted directly from Charley Varrick (1973) by Don Siegel, starring Walter Matthau. 1:12.46 "They will strip you naked and go to work on you with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch."

(2) Reservoir Dogs, to put it kindly, is a "remake" of a Hong Kong action classic, City on Fire (1987).

(3) Kill Bill opens with an actual lift of Shaw Brothers Hong Kong action films and then copies that style. You can call it an homage, sure, but maybe homage should be used to describe film by people who choose between their style and another, but I'm not sure that applies here.
 

renotime

Hummingbird
Catholic
Gold Member
"It had no plot" in this case is not saying it did not have a classic three act story with a character development arc, it's saying there was little of interest or suspense happening onscreen.

That's not what plot is.

So I take it Tarantino's use of the N word doesn't bother you? Or the Mandingo fights or the slave getting ripped limb from limb by dogs?
 

Papaya

Peacock
Gold Member
That's not what plot is.

So I take it Tarantino's use of the N word doesn't bother you? Or the Mandingo fights or the slave getting ripped limb from limb by dogs?
Those are the best parts other than the memes


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