The Movie Thread

renotime

Ostrich
Gold Member
Those are the best parts other than the memes


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Tom Slick

Woodpecker
Orthodox
That's not what plot is.

So I take it Tarantino's use of the N word doesn't bother you? Or the Mandingo fights or the slave getting ripped limb from limb by dogs?
You're full of nonsensical non sequitirs.

Like Richard Linklater said in __________, maybe you know what you're talking about, but I sure don't.
 

get2choppaaa

Ostrich
That's not what plot is.

So I take it Tarantino's use of the N word doesn't bother you? Or the Mandingo fights or the slave getting ripped limb from limb by dogs?
Respectfully... 2 movies you mentioned are pretty terrible in my book.

Uncut gems was about an adultering gambler who was a terrible decision maker, and boogie nights was about porn.

Low rent and low IQ movies.

Tarantino is a weirdo, probably a homosexual and his lust for shock value and gore is all he has going for his films. They are only entertaining in the most base level of appeal.

He also has a thing for the white savior complex so he can get away with liberal use of the word "nigger" and exploit base black hoorat culture....almost to the point of promoting it(reference Samuel L Jackson character in Jackie Brown)


But yeah Goodfellas was pretty good though...and it certainly did have a plot.
 

renotime

Ostrich
Gold Member
Respectfully... 2 movies you mentioned are pretty terrible in my book.

Uncut gems was about an adultering gambler who was a terrible decision maker, and boogie nights was about porn.

Low rent and low IQ movies.

Tarantino is a weirdo, probably a homosexual and his lust for shock value and gore is all he has going for his films. They are only entertaining in the most base level of appeal.

He also has a thing for the white savior complex so he can get away with liberal use of the word "nigger" and exploit base black hoorat culture....almost to the point of promoting it(reference Samuel L Jackson character in Jackie Brown)


But yeah Goodfellas was pretty good though...and it certainly did have a plot.

Sorry I can't be as high IQ as you and watch such thoughtful work as Commando. I think a lot of people in here misunderstand what makes a good movie. It's not the synopsis that matters, it's how a movie is made.

Just because a movie is about porn or gambling, doesn't mean it's good or bad. Plenty of gangster movies are garbage. You seem to judge a movie on whether it has any morality. If that's the case maybe stick to hallmark movies or Toy Story.

What was the plot to Goodfellas? A lot of the movie is them just hanging out in bars and restaurants. The movie was all story and character, not plot.
 

get2choppaaa

Ostrich
Sorry I can't be as high IQ as you and watch such thoughtful work as Commando. I think a lot of people in here misunderstand what makes a good movie. It's not the synopsis that matters, it's how a movie is made.

Just because a movie is about porn or gambling, doesn't mean it's good or bad. Plenty of gangster movies are garbage. You seem to judge a movie on whether it has any morality. If that's the case maybe stick to hallmark movies or Toy Story.

What was the plot to Goodfellas? A lot of the movie is them just hanging out in bars and restaurants. The movie was all story and character, not plot.
I am not saying you're low IQ... I'm saying that these films are appealing to base most instincts and many times glorifying degeneracy with little redeeming qualities. to me it's almost like you're saying one could argue that the most shocking, debaucherous thing ever made is a great film as long as it has some cool scenes in it...even if it glorifies terrible most base acts of humanity.

Compare uncut gems to On the Waterfront. OR Taxi Driver... Totally a different league of character development, cinematic ambiance, and character dialogue. Good Deniro role and Harvey Keitel and Karl Malden and Marlon Brando vs Adam Sandler and a bunch of hood rat basketball players and pornographic starlets.

Also, for the sake of rectitude : "Get to the Choppa" is a line from Predator not Commando... But thanks for playing sir.

Goodfellas is about how the guy realizes his pursuit of money and false friendships only leads him to ruin. It's a story based loosely on real events and the real culture of the Mafia in America. I'm not saying it's morally just, but it does have some redeeming qualities where the character makes the decision to reject his bad life choices....even at the 11th hour.

For that matter ALL of the Mafia films emphasize family (even among criminals) and have redeeming qualities. Mario Puzo's The Godfather book is fantastic and up there as one of my favorites.

I mean I liked plenty of edgy films. I loved fight club until it became apparent that the film was about the underground homosexual culture in the 90s..

I like throw away movies also like evil dead, Army of Darkness, Escape from LA, plenty of westerns... I just don't pretend that they are cinematic masterpieces (except The Live...and Highlander)

There's been some really good stuff recently made. I'm a huge fan of the movie Drive (a synth wave western)... But anything Tarantino is just mindless entertainment.... Which is fine if that is your end goal.
 

Max Roscoe

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
Uncut Gems was surprisingly entertaining. It's nothing I'm going to watch again and again to reminisce about the story of a NY gemologist. But it was a very compelling character study. And as more than one person has put it, it is a movie that depicts Jews being Jews, which are often enjoyable. This can be both entertaining and revealing, the way Larry David is both funny and a bit sociopathic. I'd love to see Black Pigeon's take on it.

Boogie Nights I really enjoyed at the time. I probably wouldn't be as enthusastic about a movie made about pornography, but keep in mind it was pre-2000, and anything from that era is wholesome in many respects. It had some excellent acting, basically predeicting Phillip Seymour-Hoffman's suicide in real life years later. If it were made today, it would be utterly degenerate.

I have a general rule of thumb, that if you want to watch a good film, pick something from pre-2000 and chances are it will be decent.

If nothing else, both films have good direction, editing, and acting, which is so often missing in movies.

The Dune thread here for some reason is closed. I am looking forward to watching it, and probably will read the book as well.
 

Tom Slick

Woodpecker
Orthodox
I mean I liked plenty of edgy films. I loved fight club until it became apparent that the film was about the underground homosexual culture in the 90s..
I was kinda down on Fight Club until I heard JF Gariepy's take on it, which was a really insightful interpretation about male & female roles and not the gay sex metaphor.

Guide to Kulchur w/ Fróði Midjord : Fight Club (1999) — The Inner Jihad - JF Gariépy rec. May 3, 2020

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Cuchulainn2016

Woodpecker
Just for general movie conversation, I want an airing of grievances on Tarantino, who creates films that are often torture and humiliation porn in films like Django Unchained and Inglorious Bastards where blacks and Jews humiliate and torture whites.

QT "borrows" (being generous here) and derives the vast majority of his material (1) from other films (2) and also "borrows" other directors' styles and shots (3), but he's certainly not the only one who has done that.

(1) The famous torture line from Pulp Fiction about working someone over with a blowtorch was lifted directly from Charley Varrick (1973) by Don Siegel, starring Walter Matthau. 1:12.46 "They will strip you naked and go to work on you with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch."

(2) Reservoir Dogs, to put it kindly, is a "remake" of a Hong Kong action classic, City on Fire (1987).

(3) Kill Bill opens with an actual lift of Shaw Brothers Hong Kong action films and then copies that style. You can call it an homage, sure, but maybe homage should be used to describe film by people who choose between their style and another, but I'm not sure that applies here.
What most people dont understand about Tarantino is that the vast majority of his work is written a stage plays, not films.

They are mostly set in a handful of static enclosed spaces with actors saying lines to each other with very little props, stunts or any other Hollywood "artistry".

Its the fact that you are watching a stage play that gives his films their unique style.
 

DeWoken

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
The Dune thread here for some reason is closed. I am looking forward to watching it, and probably will read the book as well.
Okay, I started a new one.


I agree with your sentiment, past the turn of the millennium it's a total minefield.

 

Tom Slick

Woodpecker
Orthodox
What most people dont understand about Tarantino is that the vast majority of his work is written a stage plays, not films.

They are mostly set in a handful of static enclosed spaces with actors saying lines to each other with very little props, stunts or any other Hollywood "artistry".

Its the fact that you are watching a stage play that gives his films their unique style.
Why do you think people who criticize or just watch his films do not understand what they are watching?

Filming as if on stage is not unique to Tarantino and I really can not think of an example of his films that stands out for this method. Which one(s) are you referring to?

I mentioned Richard Linklater earlier because, unlike Tarantino, he writes original screenplays and does not deliver schlock value as his main feature, but something a bit more interesting, like "Tape" (2001) with Uma Thurman. This is what a film looks like when it is directed like a stage play. There are 3 characters in a motel room for the entire movie. Every frame. Is there anything from Tarantino that looks like this?
 
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RedLagoon

Robin
Orthodox Inquirer
The only good thing about Fight Club was the Pixies song at the end. I was a teenager when I saw it first and never liked the gay undertones. I'm surprised most of you never noticed it.

A short while back my wife and I watched the Godfather again after many years.
Damn son, there is a reason why many consider it the best film of all time, it's a true epic and the performances and direction, basically everything is masterful.

Tarantino? I think Pulp Fiction still holds up as a dark comedy but after watching the self white-hating trash that was hateful Eight I'm done with the idiot.

The big Lebowski is hilarious, also no country for Old (white) men is still amazing. The Coen brothers are probably the most consistent directors. I don't see much ((())) subversion in their work.

I don't think there's anything good released these days. I'm staying with friends now who have Netflix and it's truly dire.

Oh and to ad; the 70s were by far the best decade of American film. There are just too many gems to pick from. Dog Day Afternoon is another one from the top of my head. Also anything with Gene Hackman or Clint Eastwood and you'll be in for a good time.
 
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Hypno

Crow
What most people dont understand about Tarantino is that the vast majority of his work is written a stage plays, not films.

They are mostly set in a handful of static enclosed spaces with actors saying lines to each other with very little props, stunts or any other Hollywood "artistry".

Its the fact that you are watching a stage play that gives his films their unique style.

David Mammet is another that comes to mind. Glengary Glenross, About Last Night, etc.
 

Hypno

Crow
The big Lebowski is hilarious, also no country for Old (white) men is still amazing. The Coen brothers are probably the most consistent directors. I don't see much ((())) subversion in their work.

A lesser appreciated Coen brothers film that I think is their best is Raising Arizona. Nicholas Cage, Holly Hunter, John Goodman.
 

Cuchulainn2016

Woodpecker
Why do you think people who criticize or just watch his films do not understand what they are watching?

Filming as if on stage is not unique to Tarantino and I really can not think of an example of his films that stands out for this method. Which one(s) are you referring to?

I mentioned Richard Linklater earlier because, unlike Tarantino, he writes original screenplays and does not deliver schlock value as his main feature, but something a bit more interesting, like "Tape" (2001) with Uma Thurman. This is what a film looks like when it is directed like a stage play. There are 3 characters in a motel room for the entire movie. Every frame. Is there anything from Tarantino that looks like this?
You make my point for me.

His films arent filmed "as if on stage", they are written as a play that can be performed on a stage, but filmed as a actual movie.

Take Reservoir Dogs for example, each part of it is in a self contained area, and is dialogue, not action heavy. Although there is one getaway footchase scene, the shoot outs with the cops are static.

Tarantino's dialogue is brilliant, especially compared to the crap that is written nowadays. Again, take Reservoir Dogs. If written today, it would have loads of large exposition uploads explaining all the characters as they are introduced. As it is, the diner scene sets up every character, their characterisations and personalities, just through them talking crap together for a few minutes.
 
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