Yeah, that scene in Heat requires suspension of disbelief to enjoy it. I mean...the guy is right under him. How the hell is he going to get away?
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Yeah, that scene in Heat requires suspension of disbelief to enjoy it. I mean...the guy is right under him. How the hell is he going to get away?
MusicForThePiano
Pelican
Scenes were cut showing Pacino taking hits of powder (assumed to be coke?) off of his fingers. It is in the final script but not in the finished film. It was supposed to explain his amped up behavior that seems to come out of nowhere, but then again, when he thinks of a woman's ass, something just comes out of him, can't blame him for that.
For those Heat fans who haven't seen the early made-for-TV version:
Hypno
Crow
DeNiro is a great actor but he got in debt with either the IRS or his ex wives and made a ton of shitty movies in the last 20 years.
Taxi Driver is wierd but that is what is great about it. Its not the usual Hollywood formula, and it shows a lot of the corruption and sleaze that is normally covered up.
Heat - good flick but Pacino ruins it by overacting. Which is really sad because there are some amazing performances by an ensemble cast, especially by Val Kilmer, Ashley Judd (in a very small role), and Jon Voight. I'm not a Pacino fan because he's basically the same 2-dimensional character in every film. This is an especially poor Pacino performance imho. I particularly did not like the ending of the film.
Taxi Driver is wierd but that is what is great about it. Its not the usual Hollywood formula, and it shows a lot of the corruption and sleaze that is normally covered up.
Heat - good flick but Pacino ruins it by overacting. Which is really sad because there are some amazing performances by an ensemble cast, especially by Val Kilmer, Ashley Judd (in a very small role), and Jon Voight. I'm not a Pacino fan because he's basically the same 2-dimensional character in every film. This is an especially poor Pacino performance imho. I particularly did not like the ending of the film.
Just watched it, what a strange strange movie.On a Jay Dyer symbology note I saw Lamb and instantly got Midsommar vibes. Looks like someone else caught on.
Film didn't really seem hit whatever point it was trying for.
Lamb 2021 movie review - The Spool
Lamb, Valdimar Jóhannsson’s debut feature, is moody and captivating but shaky thematics keep it from living up to its own promise.thespool.net
I suppose they where going for mystery but it was just confusing, and the ending ... what?
Right under De Niro, and in all likelihood, armed (considering he's wanted for multiple shootings), and obviously aware that it's a life or death matter. So De Niro should realise that this man under him will logically draw his gun and shoot him point blank, if given a few seconds' pause. Nevertheless, De Niro gives him precious time, unchecked.
I'm cross posting from another thread above. I'm a bit stunned by the movie Oxygen, which pits a crazy lethal vaccine syringe against a woman called Omicron. The woman (Omicron by her State database name) survives by snatching and breaking the automated vaccine syringe intent on killing her. Thus incurring an European Union fine, but saving her life. Reminds you of something?
burncushlikewood
Robin
Drive was good, thought it was a little over the top with violence though. A really solid movie is limitless, reminds me of my life back then which was really wild
Drive is well-made but it is very nihilistic and brutal.
"The Last Duel" on Apple TV is the best I've seen in a while. Zero diversity, no Jewish themes, and based on a true story. They nailed down even the smallest details from historical documents and eyewitness accounts.
dicknixon72
Pelican
Boy, how prescient this movie was...
You put a middling movie such as Men Of Honor above Taxi Driver and Raging Bull?
I honestly think that is one of Pacino's best performances, along with Godfather and Scarface. His character was doing cocaine, which explains a lot.
A lot of you guys have questionable tastes, especially if you're rating Parker over Heat. Give me a break.
DeNiro, Pacino, Kilmer, Sizemore and Judd (and supporting cast),were all ace in Heat which is one of my favorite films. I wish they kept the coke sniffing by Pacino in the movie as it has caused a lot of confusion over the years with his antics.
Absolute classic, made in the 90s with the quality of some of the masterpieces from the 70s which still feels fresh watching it today.
Absolute classic, made in the 90s with the quality of some of the masterpieces from the 70s which still feels fresh watching it today.
The Parker movies (there are several) are based on a great, tough character invented and developed by an author whom everybody admits, is a legend in thriller writings : Westlake/Stark.
Parker (Stark novels character) - Wikipedia
Whereas Heat is based on a mere movie script, not on a legendary series of thriller books.
Also, the Heat gangsters are disgusting brutish assassins. Parker on the other hand kills only when absolutely necessary. And as I pointed above, the Parker movies are believable, the scenarios have no big flaws.
You might prefer Heat, but it's because Heat is more Rock n Roll. But once again, Heat is just the story of an overexcited cop against classic brutish bank robbers, people you wouldn't like in real life.
Take for instance the assault of the money transporters/guards by the Heat team, or Parker (Statham version).
The Heat team use trucks, explosives, assault rifles and kill everyone. With little hesitancy.
Meanwhile Parker attacks the moneymen with a . 22 caliber, a good line "it's not the size", and a simple trick. No one gets killed though a bullet is fired.
Talking about moneymen, it reminds me of the excellent "bagmen" in The Way of the Gun. With their good old . 38 short-barrelled Smith and Wesson, quietly stepping in to finish off the young thugs with assault rifles. A very good movie, though disturbing, but great action scenes.
I hated 'Taxi Driver' and thought 'Raging Bull' was boring. 'Men of Honor' is a solid movie with a positive message even if it a bit cliché. I like movies that are inspiring and encourage us to work hard to achieve our dreams (as long as the dream is positive of course). Yes, this is true for 'Raging Bull' but Lamotta seemed like a jerk and the story was not told in an interesting way.
I know that most disagree with me judging by IMDB scores for 'Taxi Driver' and 'Raging Bull.'
I don't see why it's so important as to what a movie's source material is. And who doesn't like Rock N Roll?The Parker movies (there are several) are based on a great, tough character invented and developed by an author whom everybody admits, is a legend in thriller writings : Westlake/Stark.
Parker (Stark novels character) - Wikipedia
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Whereas Heat is based on a mere movie script, not on a legendary series of thriller books.
Also, the Heat gangsters are disgusting brutish assassins. Parker on the other hand kills only when absolutely necessary. And as I pointed above, the Parker movies are believable, the scenarios have no big flaws.
You might prefer Heat, but it's because Heat is more Rock n Roll. But once again, Heat is just the story of an overexcited cop against classic brutish bank robbers, people you wouldn't like in real life.
Take for instance the assault of the money transporters/guards by the Heat team, or Parker (Statham version).
The Heat team use trucks, explosives, assault rifles and kill everyone. With little hesitancy.
Meanwhile Parker attacks the moneymen with a . 22 caliber, a good line "it's not the size", and a simple trick. No one gets killed though a bullet is fired.
Talking about moneymen, it reminds me of the excellent "bagmen" in The Way of the Gun. With their good old . 38 short-barrelled Smith and Wesson, quietly stepping in to finish off the young thugs with assault rifles. A very good movie, though disturbing, but great action scenes.
But no, that's not the only reason I like it. I dig the characters, the action scenes, the dialogue, the realism, the beautiful cityscapes, how Mann doesn't spell everything out to you, but hints at it.
And yes, people die. DeNiro's character is a professional and a sociopath and told Pacino he wouldn't get in his way no matter what. When the hot head kills a guard they have to finish the rest of them off because like Pacino says, "Why leave a living witness."
If you're so concerned with people being killed why did you like The Way of the Gun? That was basically a poor man's Peckinpah movie. And those two main characters didn't have a single moral fiber in either of them. For the record I thought that movie was solid.
If you don't like Heat you must not like movies very much. That's one of the best movies of the last 30 years.
As I think I wrote earlier on the thread, I used to like Heat, but viewing it again recently, I noticed that the characters were, as you yourself said, too sociopathic to enjoy even on the big screen.
And what you quoted is, exactly, the thing that bothered me. They finish off the money guards, "because why leave a living witness"?
But a living witness of what? They all wear masks and no distinctive feature.
Leaving witnesses that an assault has taken place? Sure, but that point is not in doubt, an assault has taken place, many people around have seen it.
So why finish off the guards, who have not a single identifiable data on them? It makes no sense. De Niro and Pacino should know it makes no sense.
Now, The way of the gun. You're a bit mistaken, as one of the dudes, not Del Toro but the other one, is swayed by the touching pregnant woman, and takes pity on her in the hotel room. Well, funnily enough the broad then tries to fill him with lead, but anyway...
I maintain that it's a great movie as its action scenes, notably against the 2 bodyguards, near the rolling car, are excellent.
Also, I have nothing against people getting killed in movies, providing they are evil people and the scenes are reasonably believable. For instance I enjoyed the Mikkelsen version of the Korean corridor fight shown above in the thread, in Polar. Now that was Rock and Roll, and yes, (bad) people got shot. Even better, all the people shot were evil torturers, and Mikkelsen shoots them as should be done, with one hand. I am fed up with all the Hollywood movies showing people shooting automatic .9mm guns with two hands. Who needs 2 hands to handle a 9mm to shoot an enemy standing within 8 yards? Mikkelsen does it right, he shoots the whole lot just with one arm, no "FBI stance". Like the girl in the Korean movie on Jeju Island.
And yes, Michael Mann's filming techniques, are very professional and good, I don't deny it.
Anyway, I like action, gunfight movies, where the good guys win by keeping their cool under fire, shooting just once or twice, like say, John Wick or Gabin in The Pasha. Just one shot calmly fired is enough, against crazy enemy shooters. If you know of other movies like that, do list them
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Well made works for me. Was just perusing amazon prime today and was thinking of watching it. I will give it a drive. It's slim pickings and out there on amazon prime, and so few decent new movies.
When I consider watching a historical movie taking place in Europe, one of the things I do is glancing quickly over the cast on imdb.com. Just looking over actors photos. And If I come across diversity, I do not consider this movie as its clearly a propaganda.
Glad "The Last Duel" seems legit. Might give it a try.
Really? I found it to be your regular leftist, anti-white peace of trash. Couldnt stomach more than 40 minutes before discontinuing watching it. Utter garbage in my opinion.
Really enjoyed this movie.