The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict thread (Armenia vs Azerbaijan)

La Águila Negra

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*The Azeri Ministry of Defense has started releasing casualty numbers for the first time since the start of the conflict. So far there are 2883 KIA/MIA and 1247 WIA (still hospitalised)

According to haqqin.az the number of Azeri KIA/MIA/WIA is between 9 and 14k.

* Looks like the Davidank Monastery will have a permanent Russian presence



* So now Pasinyan can get the boot

Probably not.



* Russian already is an official language in Armenia



* They forgot to mention that the corridor runs straight through Armenian territory.



* Shenanigans.



* More than 100 Armenians are still in Azeri captivity

 

911

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The Russian Federation was founded in 1991.
I don't mean to be pedantic but the Russian Federation is not the same as the USSR/ Russian Empire/Kiev Rus etc.
There have also been centuries of Turkic/Altaic rule over Russia, which left a significant genetic footprint. Should the Russians be thankful towards the Mongols/Golden Horde Turks too?
Armenia doesn't display Russian flags, true. Not very smart. But Azerbaijan shoots Russian helicopters out of the sky, breaks treaties, cuddles up with main antogoniser Erdo and permits CIA, Mossad and MI-6 to operate from its soil. NATO/Turkish bases might come in the future
The rest is something I agree with
Nato.NATO.NATO.
It is quite ironic that you accuse me of not understanding the conflict whilst completely ignoring the main player.
N-A-T-O
What Russia wants is irrelevant. It is not in a position to lay down the law anywhere. Not even in its own backyard as you can see.

NATO treats the Russian Federation as the direct successor of the USSR. Likewise it's raison d'etre is molded around doing to the Russian Federation what it did to the USSR in 1990-1992. It has now evolved into open warfare on Russia's borders yet Putin seems to hold back

NATO's strategy of expantionism is built around creating an Iron Fence. Russia needs to be surrounded by NATO bases. They incite civil unrest in Russia friendly states+ border nations. They stir up anti-Russian feelings, and demonise Russian culture /history/ people. They engage in economic warfare by sanctions.

NATO is doing a tremendous job. In my opinion this conflict was another net win. The ceasefire is unsustainable as NATO/Turkey were largely left out - there are daily violations already. It's only a matter of time before the Azeris chimp out - no doubt supported by Turkey/NATO. When that happens Putin will have to do what he's been trying to avoid these past weeks. The unfortunate thing is that till that day the Armenians will have to live in limbo

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"NATO" is becoming irrelevant, its main elements are in a steep social and economic decline. Things aren't so bad in your home country, but the US, France, Italy, Canada are falling apart with social strife and economic distress not seen since the mid/early 20th century.

Russia's economy is sound, it's become a viable, independent economy with large reserves and great resources, it can ride China's BRI coattails, sit back this decade and watch the civil war unfold in Paris, DC, Seattle or Atlanta under the parasitic grip of the eugenicist globalist elites that run the "free world". It's kind of the reverse of the 1980s/90s, when the Soviets were military giants with feet of clay and the West still had an economically vibrant middle class, relatively low immigration rates and relatively sane family lives.
 

La Águila Negra

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I have been wanting to do a final write up on NATO's war on Russia for quite some time now.

It is obvious that NATO's war on Russia is escalating. It will accelerate even more in the future

There are many flashpoint regions surrounding Russia that play a part in the NATO strategy to slowly weaken Russia's position globally, and eventually achieve regime change in Russia itself. The 'death by a thousand cuts' (through proxy warfare) doctrine has been mentioned before. This is a multi - generational project

MOLDOVA/ TRANSNISTRIA

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History
The Moldovan SSR used to be a part of the Soviet Union. After independence the new nationalist government quickly launched policies that were distinctively anti-Russian in nature (the use of the Russian language in any state building was criminalised, for one). As a result a separatist movement emerged in the Eastern part of the country. They succeeded in taking all territory East of the Djnester river. This de facto country is called Transnistria

Military situation
After the war a joint Moldovan-Transnistrian-Russian peacekeeping force was designed to maintain the peace. Over the years there have been several shuffle ups but Russia in general keeps about 1200-1500 troops stationed in Transnistria

Current political situation
In November 2020 the pro- EU candidate Maia Sandu defeated sitting President Igor Dodon. Ever since the political situation has been volatile. Sandu is a foreign agent a la Nikol Pasinyan and has ramped up the inflammatory rhetoric tremendously. Her most important message: Transnistria needs to return to Moldova, and the Russian 14th Army needs to leave. One of her first moves was appointing a US citizen as top advisor for the Ministry of Defense.

After Sandu's words, Ukraine declared its readiness to "ensure the transit of Russian military" from Transnistria

Another rigorous idea of her is Moldova joining Romania in some sort of Pan-Romanian union. Obviously Moldova joining Romania would de facto mean that NATO yet again encroaches on Russia. It is an absolute no-no. The much valued EU passports are her main selling point.

Additional note: during the last couple of days Sandu has been blocked several times by the Moldovan Senate who do not seem to be too happy about her radical plans. Maybe they learnt from Armenia's mistakes. Sandu in return is threatening to mobilise her followers in the streets.

Mobrule is a typical Sorosite tactic.

GEORGIA/ SOUTH OSSETIA-ABKHAZIA

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History
Like Moldova, Georgia used to be a part of the USSR. And like Moldova, Georgia too had to deal with separatist movements right after its own declaration of independance. In 2008 things escalated with NATO promising that Georgia would eventually become a NATO member (Bucharest summit). The Georgian president Sakaashvili then felt so emboldened he immediate starting blabbering about territorial integrity and military offensives .

His plans started off well as the Georgian Army easily squashed the Adjarian rebels near the Turkish border. Sakaashvili then moved on to his next target, South Ossetia. Diplomatic sparring with the Russians, who had a military presence in South Ossetia, turned out fruitless and in truly moronic self-delusion Sakaashvili then gave the order to attack the Russian forces in South Ossetia head on.

Medvedev didn't back down like Sakaashvili had hoped. The ensuing Russian-Georgian war ended in a crushing defeat for the Georgians. It was a win for NATO anyway as Georgia will remain an enemy of Russia for decades to come. These days both Abkhazia and South Ossetia lean heavily on Russia economically yet remain their quasi independent status till this day.

Military situation
The Russian military has bases in both Abkhazia and South Ossetia. In fact the Russian military de facto controls the border+ vital infrastructure of both these statelets. Russian passports are easy to obtain for the people in the region and the Russian roebel is now the main currency. As part of the 2008 ceasefire agreement lots of heavy weapon systems have been moved into the regions

Current political situation
The Georgian leadership continues to cosy up with NATO. In 2011 it was designated an 'aspirant country' and in 2014 they signed the SNGP which basically means that NATO financially and military supports the Georgian military

During the 2020 Artsakh War the Georgians refused to allow Russians in their airspace whilst aiding the Azeris. The current president Zourachbivili (born in Paris, been active in French diplomatic circles for decades) routinely makes anti-Russian remarks and is a NATO stooge

AZERBAIJAN/ NAGORNO-KARABAKH

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Has been talked about at length in this thread.

UKRAINE/ DONBASS- CRIMEA

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History
Most people on this forum will be acquainted with the chain of events that led to the outbreak of the civil war in 2014. Globalist pawns rose to prominence in Ukrainian politics by making cheap promises. In the minds of the gullible Ukrainians EU membership was readily translated to chauffeured Rolls Royces and golden toilet seats. The Sorosites simultaneously started excarbating the historic grievances of what in reality are two brothernations.

Ukraine today is an incredibly polarised society where legit neo-nazi Bandera supporters (often funded by Jewish billionaires) and globohomo elites have made an alliance of convenience against the ethnically Russian part of the population

Military situation
After the Soros directed mobs disposed Yanukovich in 2014 the Russian military quickly moved into Crimea to annex this historically Russian speaking area and save their vital military infrastructure in Sebastopol

The Russian speaking Moskals elsewhere in the Ukraine did not have that luxury. Clashes between pro and anti - Maidan demonstrators escalated everywhere. The tipping point was reached in Odessa, in May 2014. 46 pro-Russia demonstrators were barricaded in a building and burned alive whilst bloodthirsty Maidan demonstrators stood guard outside

In Odessa and Kharkiv (both largely Russian speaking cities) separatist attempts were unlucky but in Donetsk and Luhansk the ethnic Russians were able to arm themselves and set up their own governments.

During these years the Ukrainian Army (supported by NATO) tried to uproot the rebels but to no avail. Tens of thousands of Russian volunteers were fighting on behalf of the Luhansk People's Republic and Donetsk People's Republic.

The official Russian position is that the Russian Army was not active in the Donbass nor did they support the rebels. The reality is that the Russian Army was leading the war effort. They had special forces on the ground. Long range artillery in the border areas was used to target enemy positions. Russian intelligence gave the rebels the edge in many vital battles. Modern heavy weapon systems were handed over for free to the Donbass rebels

It's important to note though that the Russian Army to this day has no official presence in the Donbass. The Minsk Protocol was signed on September 5, 2014. Minor violations of the agreement happen daily

Current political situation
After the Azeri victory in Artsakh Ukrainian activity alongside the border increased. Just a couple of days ago an Ukrainian team (special forces?) tried to infiltrate into Russia Proper to kidnap a high value target. Rhetoric from Ukrainian officials is becoming more confrontational

The Ukrainians are blinded by ultra-nationalism and NATO promises. The events in 2014 have only strengthened their ambitions to join NATO. In 2018 they reached the status of 'aspiring member state' and NATO+Ukraine hold regular joint drills on Ukrainian territory. NATO is arming and training Ukrainian forces

Ukraine is in the process of acquiring up to 50 Bayraktar TB2 drones. Zelensky is cuddling up with Erdo and has plans to start producing a native Ukrainian TB2 variant. The Turks are training them in usage and tactics.

On Russian military forums there is a lot of speculation on a possible renewed Ukrainian military offensive in the Donbass. There are signs pointing to this. If that happens, it is to be assumed that the Russian Army will be engaged big time and will have its watershed drone warfare moment.

BELARUS
Lukashenko is targeted with a color revolution. Mass protests broke out after the August 2020 elections, and these disturbances are still going on. Merkel and Macron have not recognised Lukashenko as the winner and have started slapping sanctions on high Belarusian officials. It is possible that in the coming weeks Tsikanoushkaya will be declared the legitimate president of Belarus by NATO countries (akin to Guaido), which might reinvigorate the protests

Like in the case of the Ukraine, a Biden Presidency could embolden the dark powers behind this circus. Snipers on rooftops Maidan-style is within the realm of possibilities. A particular badge of shame goes to NATO members Poland and Lithuania. They have been pressing the hardest for heavy measures against Belarus

A Tsikanoushkaya presidency would mean EU membership +NATO bases in at best a few years. This is unacceptable for Russia

ARMENIA
Armenia could switch back to Russia's orbit in the coming weeks, which would be a novelty. There is a lot of discontent among the population regarding Pasinyan's disastrous antics. Former presidents Ter-Petrosyan and Kochoryan are largely pro-Russian and are ready to make their return

CENTRAL ASIAN STATES
The Central Asian stans are largely pro-Russia and usually part of Russian led supra-national entities. There is a lot of economic cooperation and Russian companies are heavily invested in especially Kazakhstan. Russian is one of the main languages in all countries and serves as a lingua franca in the region. The ethnic Russians that lived in the stans have largely left for greener pastures but around 2 to 2.5 million Russians remain in the northern parts of Kazakhstan

However, the Stans are also prone to subversion and anti-Russian ideologies as the majority of the people are Muslim and Turkic. The Central Asian states, as part of their own ethno-genesis, have started moving away from what they perceive as 'foreign' influences. In Tajikistan names have been de-Russified. The importance of Russia on its history has been diminished. The ethnicity of non-Russians is prioritised in everything. In some stans the standard script has changed from Cyrillic to Latin.

Some analysts call this region the next powderkeg. All Central Asian states are led by authoritarian and nepotistic rulers. Corruption is rife and people fear the secret police. Tanking oil prices+ the economic fallout of Covid1984 have left many people impoverished. All of these societies have been infiltrated by foreign radical strains of Islam and Turkic ultra - nationalism

One scenario is a NATO/Soros/Turkey led color revolution in Kazakhstan. If this happens Russia will have to seriously step up its game. A hostile Southern neighbour with ties to all the wrong people and entities is again a big no-no for Russia

SYRIA

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Both Syria and Libya are not part of NATO's encroachment on Russia, and for this reason Erdogan is often not in line with NATO in these theaters. However, as Russia is being engaged, they deserve attention anyway

History
In 2011 Assad was singled out for regime change. A colorful coalition of towel wearing oil sheiks, Zionists, headchoppers and the usual Anglo-Saxon warmongerers had decided that it was time for something new. The fall of the Syrian Baathi regime was part of a bigger plan and supposed to be the stepping stone for a much tougher nut. Iran.

The Russian intervention started in September 2015 and was largely successful. They stopped the jihadists' momentum and started slowly reversing their gains throughout the country. It was a groundbreaking development as it was one of the first times regime change were smothered by a third actor

Military situation
The Russians have dialed down their presence in Syria yet remain active throughout the country. Their main bases are the naval base in Tartus and the airbase in Hmeimim

In 2019 the three main parties in Syria, Iran, Russia and Turkey signed the Sochi Agreement. Unfortunately the Sochi Agreement is violated constantly by all parties.

Possible grades of escalation are mostly dependant on the outcome of the US election. Another Trump Presidency will result in limited Turkish campaigns against SDF forces. Turkey regards these PKK affiliated militants on its borders as an existential threat. In the Manbij canton Russian/SAA/SDF troups patrol the border jointly. Erdogan will need another boost domestically at some point so the Russians can either negotiate their way out or stand their ground

A Biden Presidency could lead to a renewed push for a NATO +Israel air campaign. Most of the Biden cabinet are Obama era neocon shills who feel that they have unfinished business in Syria. They are in bed with officials in all the big globalist organisations. Just yesterday the former head of the OPCW Robert Fairweather admitted he held back vital information on the gas attacks because it could benefit Russia. This is the level of deceit Russia is dealing with. Russian troops should get ready for some serious provocations.

If the infamous NATO-Wahabbi- Zionist triangle gangs up on Assad Syria is in danger of regime change, again.

LIBYA

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History

Libya provided an immense lesson to Putin. In 2011 he reluctantly agreed to greenlighting a NATO enforced no-fly zone above Khaddafi's Libya. From there onwards he witnessed NATO breaching each and every part of the Responsibility 2 Protect Resolution they said they'd respect. It was said to be a no-fly zone, but it turned out to be an 'open season on Khaddafi' zone. His army stood no chance and the colonel subsequently got lynched in the streets by NATO mercenaries. Putin had been tricked and from there on forewent any seriousfurther cooperation, ever.

The mess that Sarkozy and Obama created still hasn't been cleaned up. Libya remains in a civil war. The current situation is LNA vs GNA. Both are what you'd think they are: warlords, jihadist elements, war crimes and the usual grotesque sounding references to democracy and freedom.

Military situation
Russia supports the LNA whilst Turkey supports the GNA. In late 2019 the GNA launched an offensive capturing a lot of territory. During the last couple of weeks Turkey has been re-arming the GNA which is a clear breach of the UN arms embargo. The use of Syrian mercenaries is another hot topic. TB2 drones have already been used in earlier Libyan battles and their numbers will likely increase

Russia is deeper involved in Libya than many think. During the 2019 offensives the Wagner Group PMC's got caught off guard and hundreds died at the hands of drones, artillery and airstrikes.

New GNA/Turkey offensives are anticipated. Recent satelite pics show Russian aircraft near the city of Benghazi and rumour has it that anti drone weapons have been moved into the country. It is estimated that there are thousands of Wagner PMCs on the ground.

The main battle to come will be for Syrte, and after that the oil fields.

VENEZUELA

I wanted to include Venezuela to show how far and wide Russian military involvement is.

Officially there is only a small contingent of Russians in Venezuela to service equipment. However, several former Russian service members have admitted that Russians are on the ground guarding vital oil infrastructure, supervising the Colombian-Venezuelan border crossings and even body-guarding Maduro (pretty wild rumour).

The Russians in questions could be Wagner Group PMC's or Russian service members

RUSSIA

Sorosite infiltrators are trying to sow discontent and division in Russia. They are empowered through the many NGOs and multi-lateral entities that love to murmur about democracy, freedom and human rights

Despite the support of very powerful actors, the Sorosite sellouts remain fringe figures in Russian society. Even so they are getting increasingly brazen. Just a week ago, Milov, Navalny, Kara-Murza and Yashin decided that from there on they would represent Russia in 'Democratic Europe'. By their own admission they are in contact with several high ranking officials in EU and NATO

These people might seem small, but never underestimate a Sorosite. During the months-long protests in Khabarovsk Navalny's movement infiltrated. There was a real chance protests would erupt nationwide.

Why these people have not yet been apprehended for treason and sedition is beyond me. The fact that Putin tried to poison him indicates that the Russian establishment considers Navalny dangerous too. Navalny is NATO's man for devouring Russia. Some of his idea's are insane. He stands for the immediate return of Crimea to the Ukraine, independence for the Northern Caucasus Republics, the breaking up of Russia into several republics (amongst others the Ural Republic and the Far East) , NATO membership for Russia..
 
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La Águila Negra

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"NATO" is becoming irrelevant, its main elements are in a steep social and economic decline. Things aren't so bad in your home country, but the US, France, Italy, Canada are falling apart with social strife and economic distress not seen since the mid/early 20th century.

Russia's economy is sound, it's become a viable, independent economy with large reserves and great resources, it can ride China's BRI coattails, sit back this decade and watch the civil war unfold in Paris, DC, Seattle or Atlanta under the parasitic grip of the eugenicist globalist elites that run the "free world". It's kind of the reverse of the 1980s/90s, when the Soviets were military giants with feet of clay and the West still had an economically vibrant middle class, relatively low immigration rates and relatively sane family lives.

The NATO establishment has never been more warmongering than it is today. Frankly speaking they are getting more insane by the year, and I am not ruling out that the current woke-turd revolutionary vibe has something to do with it. Russia is a majority Christian White traditionalist state after all.

NATO is America's brute force that is dead set on destroying 'the enemy of the free world'. They will go at great lengths and morality is no issue: these are the people who willingly let 500 000 Iraqi children starve to death through their criminal sanctions, false-flagged their way into at least 10 wars and defended a 84% civilian collateral damage rate under DroneKing Obongo.

The West is destroying itself but that doesn't mean a diminished ability to project power abroad. Unless of course we will see a USSR tier collapse, which won't happen. Many countries, in both modern and pre-modern times, have successfully waged war abroad whilst their homeland went through great upheaval. I am willing to go one step further. It will accelerate their agenda: Evil Russia (or Iran) is a great way to distract Joe the Plumber from his own enslavement in the 'free world'

The West's fighting ability has diminished, no doubt about it. But it won't be the US Lgbtq pusshyhat brigades marching towards the Russian bear. They are to busy following seminars about microaggression against POC transgender service members anyway. It doesn't matter. NATO has hundreds of thousands if not millions of Russia-hating Turks, Eastern Europeans and if needed jihadists ready to do the heavy lifting for them.

The Anglo-Zionist-Wahabbi trifecta the money, intelligence and technology and the dying can be done by some brainwashed third worlder. This has been the drill for 10 years now

NATO is built on an imperial agenda couched in hate. This zebra will never lose its stripes

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Also for those interested in the War on Russia I'd like to recommend the following blogs.



This site has a translation function pop up as soon as you click the link



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Oberrheiner

 
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NATO has hundreds of thousands if not millions of Russia-hating Turks, Eastern Europeans and if needed jihadists ready to do the heavy lifting for them.
I don't think anyone in eastern europe would go to war with russia - unless to defend against an invasion of course.
They dislike them but they're not stupid.

Turks and jihadis are another story, but I wouldn't put both in the same basket either.
 

La Águila Negra

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I don't think anyone in eastern europe would go to war with russia - unless to defend against an invasion of course.
They dislike them but they're not stupid.

Turks and jihadis are another story, but I wouldn't put both in the same basket either.

When I say Russia I mean the Russian sphere of influence. Obviously Russia and NATO will not confront each other head on.

The game plan is rather easy.

1a. Aggressive NATO expansion towards Russia's Eastern, Southern and 'Asian' borders
1b. Economic warfare through heavy sanctioning and international pressure on severing economic ties with Russia
1c. Inciting anti-Russian sentiment globally through soft power, cultural institutions and exploitment of historical grievances

2. Bring Russia to it's knees by
a. globohomo subversion, b. inciting insurrections/aggressive Islamism in its restive Republics c. long term economic recession + possibly scarcity of goods due to the sanctioning

It's creating the right circumstances for a color revolution. Like I said, it's a multi-generational project

Also Eastern Europeans have been fighting Russians on several different fronts already.
 

La Águila Negra

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Okay so I wanted to let this thread slide into a coma but the Azeris won't let it happen

Breach after breach of the ceasefire

What one needs to understand is that the Armenian side is in complete disarray. They are paralysed by the political crisis at home and the betrayal of Pasinyan. Communication lines are in bad shape. Border demarcations are unclear. The Artsakh military is in no state to put up any defense.

There are areas which were on paper handed to Azerbaijan, but that were never surrendered. There are areas in NK that the Azeris want to take over before the Russians move in - or even when the Russians are there. There are also areas inside Armenia proper were Azeris are now trying to do a landgrab

* Clashes in the Hadrut area. This area was supposed to be under Russian control and is located in NK (the Armenian part) . The Azeris did a quick (and successful) landgrab



*In the last 3-4 days the Azeris have captured/rounded up around 160 Armenian soldiers.



* The same twitter handle shows a video of 15+ Armenian POW executed (or so it alleges). Imagery seems real

* No communication with border regions in Armenia proper. These people are now defending themselves and are under threat



* Anti Pasinyan protests continue



* Situation in the yellow territory is unclear. These areas are supposed to be handed over to Azerbaijan but are still under the control of local Armenian militias

 

Oberrheiner

 
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Comments appreciated.
 

Oberrheiner

 
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I don't remember if someone mentioned this :

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Basically china wants a new road to europe, through kazakhstan and turkey.
Erdogan said he wanted a frontier with azerbaidjan, that was probably the reason.
And this is probably why nobody will lift a finger to help Armenia.
 

La Águila Negra

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These are the afterwaves of the disastrous war that Pashinyan is for at least 50 percent responsible for (Turkey and Azerbaijan are of course to blame to).

A couple of days ago Pashinyan blamed the Russians and the Military for the total defeat the Armenians suffered. One of the things he said was that the (Russian made) Iskander cruise missiles were inoperable and were therefor not used.

Which is a lie, because near the end of the war they were launched. By saying this he is also shitting big time on Russia and his own Military.

The next day the Chief of the General Staff demanded his resignation. That same day this Chief, Gasparyan, was fired himself (by Pasinyan) instead.



Today, to show strength, Pasinyan called for his supporters to show up at one of the main squares. From thereon he'd lead them through Yerevan



Not many showed up. It is starting to look very bleak for him

Pasinyan is right now in the middle of a speech in which he has put the ball in the court of the President of Armenia. Either the President, Sarkisian, signs the petition or 'he joins the coup'

 

911

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It's not just always straight corruption, the NATO/EU faction also has an ideological angle with globalism being equated with modernism and progress. They think that if they join NATO and the EU, they will instantly become like Germany. A lot of this indotrination is done through soft power by media and NGOs.
 

Coja Petrus Uscan

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It's not just always straight corruption, the NATO/EU faction also has an ideological angle with globalism being equated with modernism and progress. They think that if they join NATO and the EU, they will instantly become like Germany. A lot of this indotrination is done through soft power by media and NGOs.

Serbs have become wise to this.

In 2008, around about when Bulgaria joined The EU about 75% of Serbs wanted to join The EU. The notion was that they would become like Germany, and Bulgarians are beating them to the punch. N.B. that (Germany) has been very active in that area post Yugoslavia. To this day the Bosnian currency is the convertible mark, with the sub-unit being pfenigs. It was pegged to the mark, now the new ruble - the euro.

I remember the craze for Bulgarian properties at this time. The UK was full of yuppies extolling how this is the great gold rush. You can buy a house for $3,000, do it up and in a generation it will be like a house in Germany. Those houses are still only worth $3,000.

There was the same notion for Greece. Get them in the euro and they will become like Germany. Greece is still Greece, but with going on 250% debt to GDP.

Now there is little interest to join The EU in Serbia, and the biggest puppet in Europe, Aleksandar Vučić, says he will take Serbia in despite him acknowledging he couldn't win a referendum on it. Most that could be said of Putin could be said of Vučić, yet of course, it is not because he will do whatever is required.

Hopefully Armenia can take this as a wakeup call.
 

Oberrheiner

 
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It's not just always straight corruption, the NATO/EU faction also has an ideological angle with globalism being equated with modernism and progress. They think that if they join NATO and the EU, they will instantly become like Germany. A lot of this indotrination is done through soft power by media and NGOs.
Of course, any good corruption is indirect corruption.
 
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