The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict thread (Armenia vs Azerbaijan)

La Águila Negra

La Águila Negra

Pelican
fokker said:
Aren't most Erdogan-supporters members of the Turkish diaspora in Europe, rather than being in Turkey proper?
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Erdogan is immensely popular amongst poorer, religious, working class people. His strongholds are predominantly in the more (economically) backwards Central and Eastern Anatolia (except for Tunceli, only Alevi majority province)

The CHP (Kemalists, secular nationalists, sometimes dubbed social democrats) are usually the upper class, higher educated people living in Izmir, Istanbul and the West Coast. Has been infiltrated by globohomo

The majority of the Kurds vote for the leftist HDP (political front for the PKK). Religious Kurds (Hezbollah movement) usually vote Erdogan.

The MHP doesn't show up in these maps but they are the ultra-nationalists. Think Grey Wolves, Turanic myths and some old fashioned skull measuring

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Turkish 2018 presidential election results

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Voting patterns of eligible Turkish citizens living abroad

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www.researchgate.net

Variables.

Download scientific diagram | Variables. from publication: How do Turks abroad vote? | Voting rights are an essential feature of democratic citizenship. Turkey enfranchised its expatriate citizens in 1995, but they were first granted the right to vote from overseas in the 2014 presidential...
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Rogue Statistician

Rogue Statistician

Robin
Saul Bellow said:
Russia deserved to lose the Crimean War in turn for the cruel and evil Tsarist pogroms against the Pale of Settlement. It was so inflicted upon the Allies who knew the the Ottomans were the deserving one to keep the peace around the Black Sea. So said Benjmain Disraeli — possibly the most adroit and righteous man ever to rule the British Empire — it was "a just but unnecessary war".
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I think we can call it a wash given what the kin of the pale did to Russia from 1917-1980s. Where Russia actually suffered, and the inhabitants of the pale god forbid had to actually work. Hellish I know.

Some things never change though, Britain sided with the ottoman rapists then (köçek) and protect the paki, I mean asian rapists now. Brits aren't the best judges of character.....

A bit ironic you had to insert the (((pale))) in something that doesn't concern it. But I suppose complaining about free land whites give away
is the game plan. I understand, a leech always needs a host.

"the Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you"
 
Foolsgo1d

Foolsgo1d

Peacock
Israel supplies Azerbaijan. Iran has Armenians in their country and are friendly neighbours so the US should favour the Azers. And coincidentally the US could start a conflict inside Iraq against Iran backed militias.

I wouldn't put it past the neocons to use some nuclear and 'Iran is destabilising the ME' propaganda to attack Iran in some form. The Israel-Suni Muslim alliance is done for a reason and Beirut was a warning.
 
AlligatorState

AlligatorState

Sparrow


RAND is a key Military Industrial Complex think-tank in the US. Given the extreme attitudes in the US, particularly in the Deep State, on Russia it won’t surprise me at all if Turkey and Azerbaijan were used as puppets. Turkey is near-bankrupt and their main sponsor within the Western alliance has been the US from day one. The Turks are desperate for any lifeline from their master.

Last decade, and continuing until now, their main function has been to act as a jihadist staging ground to flood Syria with al-Qaida extremists. This is an additional function, to act as a bridge to irritate Russia. The 2018 “rapproachment” is probably already dead between Russia and Turkey.

The report specifically suggests that the US "Exploit Tensions in the South Caucasus". If you can read between the lines their 'plan A' is obvious, punish Artsakh until it forces Russia to intervene militarily in defence of Armenian national interests.

As for 'plan B' the US could "induce" Armenia to subordinate itself to NATO's orbit. The goal for the US is that, "Russia might be forced to withdraw from its army base at Gyumri and an army and air base near Yerevan".
 
8ball

8ball

Kingfisher
There are few geopolitical misguided connections here:

First off, its true that these two countries are being used as pawns, however the Azeris are now richer, more developed and can afford better and bigger weapons, it only a matter of time before they launched this kind of an attack.

2nd - This is also part of turkey’s growth where they now sit at a table equal to big powers in the region. They work and do deals with russia but are at opposite sides on the lybian conflict and syria. However Turkey^s main gas suplier is russia, its largest tourist group are russians and russia adjacent countries. Most likely this war will end with a brokered deal between turkey and russia.

3rd -the Azeris have the only non russian gas pipeline to europe, through turkey, Transantlantic pipeline is being constructed greece-Albania-Italy. Its Azeri gas. This is part of the reason why greece will likely stay quiet on this conflict, its not in their interest to piss off the azeris, and not just greece but all countries that will benefit from the pipeline m(pretty much all of EU).

4. not sure why Israel is mentioned here, they are on opposite sides of turkey on virtually every issue as turkey seeks to impose muslim brotherhood type of governments, like lybia, trying to sponsor similar parties in egypt. There is a reason why UAE, Saudis, Egypt are on the russian side of the conflict on Lybia. Some of them even sent planes to join the greek military.

5. This is a great opportunity for the US to further divide a resource rich country from Russia and also weaken russia on the world stage. Russia has to carefully think about its next move, do they leave fellow eurasian economic union member and orthodox country to fend for itself or do they act, and if they act how much are they willing to do? Is it an all in like Syria? The only binary geopolitical strategy here comes from the US, while all other players have layered alliances and mutually beneficial relationships, the US continues to spearhead the Anti-Russia wing of every conflict.
 
R

RWIsrael

Woodpecker
8ball said:
4. not sure why Israel is mentioned here, they are on opposite sides of turkey on virtually every issue as turkey seeks to impose muslim brotherhood type of governments, like lybia, trying to sponsor similar parties in egypt. There is a reason why UAE, Saudis, Egypt are on the russian side of the conflict on Lybia. Some of them even sent planes to join the greek military.
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It's the Middle East, alliances and interests are fickle and change on a whim.
Israel has an on-off relationship with Turkey, where we collaborate and do business with them on certain issues out of necessity, and oppose them on others.

With Azerbaijan, Israel has sold them some advanced military tech ("kamikaze drones" called Harop - they loiter around the battlefield until a target is spotted then fly into it and explode).
I assume we have dealings there because being established in Azerbaijan provides a way to keep tabs on Iran, but I'm sure other factors are at play.

We had a story in Israeli media that in the previous engagement in Nagorno-Karabach the Azaris requested that the Israeli instructors actually operate the weapon systems for them against Armenian targets, which they reportedly refused.
 
La Águila Negra

La Águila Negra

Pelican

Erdogan is in empire-building mode, but what about France?

One month ago Macron was in Beiroet acting like he calls the shots (maybe he does?). Half the African continent (the francophone part) is in its orbit due to 1. French military power projection and 2. France's CFA franc-centered monetary policy.

Gaddafi's removal was France's iniative-and they are still heads deep in Lybia

And now it seems Macron is signalling that he is ready to counter Turkish aggression.

Does someone have some insights? I am not seeing the motives here
 
H

Hansel

Sparrow
La Águila Negra said:
Erdogan is in empire-building mode, but what about France?

One month ago Macron was in Beiroet acting like he calls the shots (maybe he does?). Half the African continent (the francophone part) is in its orbit due to 1. French military power projection and 2. France's CFA franc-centered monetary policy.

Gaddafi's removal was France's iniative-and they are still heads deep in Lybia

And now it seems Macron is signalling that he is ready to counter Turkish aggression.

Does someone have some insights? I am not seeing the motives here
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You mean you think nobody apart from turkey wants to build an empire?

France has always viewed the Mediterranean and west Africa as its sphere of influence, and French institutions such as Credit Lyonnaise often operate as the biggest monetary corporation in the pan-Mediterranean area, many African countries also employ French banks to determine their monetary policy.

Putting Turkey down would check Turkish ambitions and stop the Greco-Turkish conflict over the Aegean islands and Cyprus. Thus France would solidify its position in Europe as the military guarantee and would attract many Balkan countries to join the EU, which is basically a Franco-German organization at this point.
 
Louis IX

Louis IX

Pelican
La Águila Negra said:

Erdogan is in empire-building mode, but what about France?

One month ago Macron was in Beiroet acting like he calls the shots (maybe he does?). Half the African continent (the francophone part) is in its orbit due to 1. French military power projection and 2. France's CFA franc-centered monetary policy.

Gaddafi's removal was France's iniative-and they are still heads deep in Lybia

And now it seems Macron is signalling that he is ready to counter Turkish aggression.

Does someone have some insights? I am not seeing the motives here
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Many things to say here. Gaddafi's removal was done by French zionists. French colonisation of Africa was done by the secular "Republique"to bring Enlightment ideas there. The harsh reality is that France doesn't benefit much from this colonisation. The CFA Franc is pegged to the Euro and thus also benefits other Eurozone members. If we go til the end of the logic , Kosovo also benefits from Africa.
Recently , a lot of countries have abandoned French as the main language ( Algeria , Gabon ) and a lot of foreign investments largely surpassing the French ones in terms of economics have been done in Africa. Most notably the Chinese , but also the US and even Russia (especially in the D.R. Congo for Russia). France has even lost its grip on Mali , with the recent coup. Turkey also invests a lot in Africa.

The only thing which remains is the French language , but overall France doesn't control many countries at all. I would say that nowadays , only Chad , Niger ( for its uranium and other components) and to some extend Togo and Benin are largely controlled by the French. Ivory Coast and/or Senegal for instance have their own policy on many things.

About Beyrouth , you must understand that Lebanon was , like Syria , a french protectorate for many years. People in Lebanon still idealize France because quite honestly France has done a good job administrating it , and was at its prime , intellectually and culturally at that time. It is quite natural that Macron plays a role there.

Also Macron has been involved in many feuds with Erdogan lately , Erdogan being particularly disrespectful to Macron ( even if I hate Macron). Simply because one (non-muslim , yet) power confronted him on the illegal drillings in Cyprus , on the Orus Reis incident and on the Greek-Turkish conflict. Erdogan , like all degenerate radical muslims , hate people who resist him. In addition , Merkel cannot simply say anything against Turkey since 6 million turks mostly support Erdogan , so Macron has to do the job.
 
F

falkenhorst

Sparrow
Armenia recalls its ambassador to Israel (the embassy was officially opened two weeks ago):

www.reuters.com

Armenia recalls ambassador to Israel over arms sales to Azerbaijan

Armenia said on Thursday it had recalled its ambassador to Israel for consultations over Israeli arms sales to Azerbaijan.
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On top of the numerous Israeli made (IAI) drones that have continued to be flown into Azerbaijan (as recently as yesterday, from Eilat, Negev), Azerbaijan attempted to target the capital of Armenia using two LORA quasi ballistic missiles. And if you guessed that LORA is also Israeli equipment, you'd be correct. Luckily, they were both intercepted by an S-300 battery.


This is just another Jewish-orchestrated mass murder of gentiles, particularly Christians - even ritualistic, perhaps, as the initiation happened to cohencide with Yom Kippur. Should Israel and the US all of a sudden reverse course and come out in defence of Armenia, then you can bet the geopolitical landscape has changed to warrant such an action.
 
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