The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict thread (Armenia vs Azerbaijan)

Matsufubu

Pelican

Russia will have given Turkey and Azerbaijan their red lines. N-K will be taken, but Armenia proper will remain untouched. This improves relations with a richer Azerbaijan and harms Armenian relations, but Armenia is so dependant on Russia for protection that they will be forced to grin and bear it. Plus Russia is getting pissed at Armenia for refusing any negotiations regarding the area which is legally Azerbaijan, so they will sit back and let it happen: "We told you to talk, now this is what you get."
 
Most countries have minorities of an adjacent country, just look at europe. It was stupid for Armenia not do negotiate earlier, autonomy, higher % of armenian held ministries in azerbejan, there are plenty of things you can negotiate.
It's not that simple. This isn't the case of a small group of Christian Slovaks historically living across the border in neighboring Christian Hungary, and vice-versa. Here you had the historical and ancestral region of the Christian Armenian highland that was intentionally butchered and divided up between Muslim Azerbaijan and Turkey in the early 1920s by the Jewish Bolshevik regime. It's difficult to negotiate afterward if the outcome is an ethnic cleansing and religious massacre.

As for what happened at the collapse of the Soviet Union, this is a good overview:


And of course, as it has been repeated many times here, Jews just cannot let an opportunity to massacre Christians, pass them by.
 

DanielH

Woodpecker
I get what everyone is saying, how Armenia should have negotiated, been more gracious towards Russia, sure. I just want to point out if it weren't for larger Christian countries protecting Armenia, then Turkey, Israel, and Azerbaijan would get together and exterminate every single person in Armenia proper as well as Nagorno-Karabakh. After all, they're running short on potential victims after decimating the Christian populations of Syria, Iraq, Palestine, Libya, Egypt, Turkey, etc. (I view America's anti Christian actions in these regions as a result of Israeli influence).
 

La Águila Negra

Kingfisher

Russia will have given Turkey and Azerbaijan their red lines. N-K will be taken, but Armenia proper will remain untouched. This improves relations with a richer Azerbaijan and harms Armenian relations, but Armenia is so dependant on Russia for protection that they will be forced to grin and bear it. Plus Russia is getting pissed at Armenia for refusing any negotiations regarding the area which is legally Azerbaijan, so they will sit back and let it happen: "We told you to talk, now this is what you get."
The video is informative, but some of the information is a little outdated.

*It doesn't mention that Armenia has acquired TOR M2 airdefenses in late 2019. These are proper anti aircraft weapon systems that could engage any Azeri aircraft mentioned in the video. TOR is most likely deployed around Yerevan+ vital infrastructure right now (def not in Artsakh right now)

*Armenia has also bought several Su-30 aircraft from Russia. Su-30s can beat anything the Azeris put in the air. The Su-30s have not seen any action yet either

*The main Azeri attack drone, aside from the Harop kamikaze drone, is the Bayraktar. All the drone strikes videos are from the Bayraktar TB2. Azeri drones have a short shelf life and get downed regularly. However, supply of both Bayraktar TB2 and Harop seems to be unlimited which will become a major problem for the Armenians as soon as the attrition starts to hurt

*The video makes short mention of the Smerch MLRS weapon system, but doesn't mention the TOS1A heavy flame thrower. Azerbaijan is at a heavy advantage here, as it can field 35+ TOS1A (1 unconfirmed kill by the Armenians). The Armenians on the other hand have only 5 (1 confirmed kill by the Azeris). If the fighting moves to the mountains especially the TOS1A will be vital in clearing out the heavily entrenched Armenian positions

*The video fails to mention ATGMs. During the first two weeks the Armenians have been mostly relying on artillery and ATGMs to take out Azeri vehicles/ counter Azeri tank superiority

So far most ATGM strikes result in Azeri tanks knocked out. Armenians use Metis, Fagot, Konkur, Kornet etc. Azerbaijani T90 tanks should have more chance against ATGM strikes but several have been knocked out regardless

It's likely that the Armenians will have warehouses full of both ATGM missiles and launchpad (Soviet military doctrine).
 
I can understand why this topic isn't talked about in the mainstream media (and why they are feigning "objectiveness"), but I can't believe it sunk so low on this forum. If there ever was a fight between good and evil, orcs vs evil, it's happening right now in front of our eyes and the only thing we're doing is sitting on our asses and minding our own business while 18 centuries old Christian churches are being desecrated and shelled.

If modern wars were fought by manpower and heroism instead of just soulless technology, I would have already volunteered to defend the Armenians, their towns and their villages. The least we can do is spread awareness about the conflict.

A quick breakdown:

Nagorno Karabagh was an ethnic enclave of Armenians (why was it an enclave? because of several genocides against Armenians) who lived there in continuity for at least the last 3000 years. It is full of world heritage sites with examples of some of the oldest churches on this planet. Now, why would a territory which was ethnically, historically and in every possible way Armenian end up in the newly invented nation of Azerbaijan? Why of course, because no one other than STALIN gave it to them, since redrawing borders was his favorite pastime. It retained its autonomous status within Azerbaijan before a war broke out after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. The root cause for the war was the pogrom that Azerbaijanis (shia muslim Turks) conducted against Armenians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumgait_pogrom

This might sound familiar, because their big brother, sunni muslim Turks, who are also the main instigator of this conflict, killed off 40% of the Armenian population in the first genocide of the 20th century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

Stories about Turko-muslim genocides against Armenians in the area do not end here though, because by looking at the map you might notice the Nakichevan exclave of Azerbaijan, nestled right between Armenia and Turkey. That historic part of Armenia, too, had 40% of Armenian population before Azerbaijan reduced it to 0%, after a lengthy process of razing centuries old Christian churches and even cemeteries. The exact plan they have in mind for Nagorno Karabagh

After defending itself from yet another wave of genocidal attempts and successfully winning the war against Azerbaijan in 1992., Armenia secured a territorial corridor to the enclave of Nagorno Karbagh by occupying adjacent regions which were de jure a part of Azerbaijan and weren't previously included in the Armenian autonomous enclave of Nagorno Karabagh. That was a necessary move, as it was obviously vital for the safety of Armenia. The former de jure Azerbaijan lands nestled between Nagorno Karabagh and Armenia proper were also shamelessly stolen from another ethnic group, as they were known as Red Kurdistan during the early Soviet days https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistansky_Uyezd

Today, all those territories form the unrecognized Armenian republic of Artsakh, which should be internationally recognized to protect the Armenians living there and stop the bloodshed. Azerbaijan, backed by Erdogan's Turkey with neo-Ottoman ambitions, attacked Artsakh with only one goal - to ethnically cleanse the Armenians from there and grab their land. There will be no more self-autonomy or any other half-deals, this is a literal fight for survival. The Armenians will either defend Artsakh or they won't be there.
 

infowarrior1

Hummingbird
I get what everyone is saying, how Armenia should have negotiated, been more gracious towards Russia, sure. I just want to point out if it weren't for larger Christian countries protecting Armenia, then Turkey, Israel, and Azerbaijan would get together and exterminate every single person in Armenia proper as well as Nagorno-Karabakh. After all, they're running short on potential victims after decimating the Christian populations of Syria, Iraq, Palestine, Libya, Egypt, Turkey, etc. (I view America's anti Christian actions in these regions as a result of Israeli influence).

The genocide was carried out during and after World War I and implemented in two phases: the wholesale killing of the able-bodied male population through massacre and subjection of army conscripts to forced labour, followed by the deportation of women, children, the elderly, and the infirm on death marches leading to the Syrian desert. Driven forward by military escorts, the deportees were deprived of food and water and subjected to periodic robbery, rape, and massacre.[15][16][17] Other indigenous and Christian ethnic groups such as the Assyrians and the Ottoman Greeks were similarly targeted for extermination by the Ottoman government in the Assyrian genocide and the Greek genocide, and their treatment is considered by some historians to be part of the same genocidal policy.[18][19] Most Armenian diaspora communities around the world came into being as a direct result of the genocide.[20]
https://infogalactic.com/info/Armenian_Genocide#cite_note-23


Major General Otto von Lossow, acting military attaché and head of the German Military Plenipotentiary in the Ottoman Empire, spoke to Ottoman intentions in a conference held in Batum in 1918:


The Turks have embarked upon the "total extermination of the Armenians in Transcaucasia ... The aim of Turkish policy is, as I have reiterated, the taking of possession of Armenian districts and the extermination of the Armenians. Talaat's government wants to destroy all Armenians, not just in Turkey, but also outside Turkey. On the basis of all the reports and news coming to me here in Tiflis there hardly can be any doubt that the Turks systematically are aiming at the extermination of the few hundred thousand Armenians whom they left alive until now.[51]:349
Rape was an integral part of the genocide;[92] military commanders told their men to "do to [the women] whatever you wish", resulting in widespread sexual abuse. Deportees were displayed naked in Damascus and sold as sex slaves in some areas, including Mosul according to the report of the German consul there, constituting an important source of income for accompanying soldiers.[93] Dr. Walter Rössler, the German consul in Aleppo during the genocide, heard from an "objective" Armenian that around a quarter of young women, whose appearance was "more or less pleasing", were regularly raped by the gendarmes, and that "even more beautiful ones" were violated by 10–15 men. This resulted in girls and women being left behind dying.[94]
The males were killed. And the women and girls were either raped and left to die or sold into slavery.

Hence the Armenian Diaspora among the survivors and Christianity wiped out in many areas.
 

La Águila Negra

Kingfisher
I can understand why this topic isn't talked about in the mainstream media (and why they are feigning "objectiveness"), but I can't believe it sunk so low on this forum. If there ever was a fight between good and evil, orcs vs evil, it's happening right now in front of our eyes and the only thing we're doing is sitting on our asses and minding our own business while 18 centuries old Christian churches are being desecrated and shelled.

If modern wars were fought by manpower and heroism instead of just soulless technology, I would have already volunteered to defend the Armenians, their towns and their villages. The least we can do is spread awareness about the conflict.

A quick breakdown:

Nagorno Karabagh was an ethnic enclave of Armenians (why was it an enclave? because of several genocides against Armenians) who lived there in continuity for at least the last 3000 years. It is full of world heritage sites with examples of some of the oldest churches on this planet. Now, why would a territory which was ethnically, historically and in every possible way Armenian end up in the newly invented nation of Azerbaijan? Why of course, because no one other than STALIN gave it to them, since redrawing borders was his favorite pastime. It retained its autonomous status within Azerbaijan before a war broke out after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. The root cause for the war was the pogrom that Azerbaijanis (shia muslim Turks) conducted against Armenians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumgait_pogrom

This might sound familiar, because their big brother, sunni muslim Turks, who are also the main instigator of this conflict, killed off 40% of the Armenian population in the first genocide of the 20th century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

Stories about Turko-muslim genocides against Armenians in the area do not end here though, because by looking at the map you might notice the Nakichevan exclave of Azerbaijan, nestled right between Armenia and Turkey. That historic part of Armenia, too, had 40% of Armenian population before Azerbaijan reduced it to 0%, after a lengthy process of razing centuries old Christian churches and even cemeteries. The exact plan they have in mind for Nagorno Karabagh

After defending itself from yet another wave of genocidal attempts and successfully winning the war against Azerbaijan in 1992., Armenia secured a territorial corridor to the enclave of Nagorno Karbagh by occupying adjacent regions which were de jure a part of Azerbaijan and weren't previously included in the Armenian autonomous enclave of Nagorno Karabagh. That was a necessary move, as it was obviously vital for the safety of Armenia. The former de jure Azerbaijan lands nestled between Nagorno Karabagh and Armenia proper were also shamelessly stolen from another ethnic group, as they were known as Red Kurdistan during the early Soviet days https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistansky_Uyezd

Today, all those territories form the unrecognized Armenian republic of Artsakh, which should be internationally recognized to protect the Armenians living there and stop the bloodshed. Azerbaijan, backed by Erdogan's Turkey with neo-Ottoman ambitions, attacked Artsakh with only one goal - to ethnically cleanse the Armenians from there and grab their land. There will be no more self-autonomy or any other half-deals, this is a literal fight for survival. The Armenians will either defend Artsakh or they won't be there.
All very much true.

Just half an hour ago another video was released of Azeri soldiers executing two Armenian POWs. The video was probably shot in or near Hadrut

Just the latest in a long list of warcrimes.

During the last 2.5 weeks the Azeris have
* Conducted constant terror bombings on Stepanakert and other Artsakh towns (random bombing of civilian areas)
* Skinned a 19 year old Armenian POW alive
* Bombed the historic cathedral in Shushi. Even nastier is that they waited for press and civilians to arrive to bomb the church again (doubletap)
* Bombed hospitals
* Bombed kindergartens
* Used illegal ammunitions
* Used third party mercenaries
* Executed POWs
* Staged fake Armenian attacks on their (oil) infrastructure
* Violated a ceasefire
Etc
 
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Amwolf

Robin
Hostilities have broken out in the Nagorno-Karabakh region.

Both Armenia and Azerbaijan seem to be gearing up for serious conflict. If Azerbaijan presses on with its current offensive it will involve several regional keyplayers, most notably Iran, Russia, Turkey and Israel
Yes, things are escalating and turning ugly. This could become a significant religious war and the catalyst for a much greater conflict.

 

La Águila Negra

Kingfisher
Result of an Armenian ambush of the Azeri invaders. Happened on the northern border.

Imagine the seeth in Baku/ Ankara. All those new toys, years of preparation, billions in investment and thousands of mercenaries. And then a couple of 40 year something Armenian mountain goblins start decimating entire platoons

SPOILER ALERT: MANY (BLURRED) DEAD BODIES


Israeli Harop drone was downed in Iran. This is the third or fourth drone that crashes into Iranian territory

My prediction is that in 1 to 1.5 years we'll see Iranian knock off suicide drones being operated by Hezbollah and the Iraqi proxy militias on Israel's Lebanese/ Syrian borders


Contrary to the earlier claims Hadrut did not fall 5 days ago. Up until yesterday the Armenians have posted video footage proving they were still in control. The new video showing the execution of the POWs looks to be from inside Hadrut though


(Outdated) maps showing the terrain of Artsakh + Azeri advance


Increasing noise from Russia (through the CSTO) on the need of implementing the ceasefire and working towards a new status quo. Don't expect much though. Belarus is more sympathetic towards Azerbaijan (still delivering weapons) and the Central Asian countries are Turkic


 
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Truce that was signed a couple of days ago is worth less than the paper it was written on. The Azeris are still advancing and capturing more and more villages by the day. Meanwhile, the West is still too busy jacking off, Armenia isn't getting any help other than a few verbal remarks from various politicians. I follow the updates on this site

 

Timothy Crow

Sparrow
Sacrifice, I think it is all a mass sacrifice, especially of Christians. The counterfeit Israel is involved of course.

 
As of this morning, the islamic army under the regime of dictator Aliyev has taken Fuzuli and thus broken the strongest line of Armenian defence in the south. They're literally massacring them with drones, Armenians are unfortunately very ill-equipped against these flying pests. This must be a huge blow to the Armenian morale. The neo-Ottoman hordes are advancing northward towards Shushi and Stepankert. If they encircle them, the war is lost, although it is de-facto already unbearable for the Armenians because Artsakh has a population of mere 150 thousand people and there are already well over a few thousand dead Armenians, mostly locals, literally a visible percentage of their population. Putin, a hypocritical machiavellian whore that he is, doesn't care about the slaughter of Christians and the loss of their historic lands and the West, as expected, is still sitting on its ass and ignoring everything. The way things are going right now, Artsakh is going to fall long before anyone recognizes it and ends the conflict.


Over here you can see a video of life in the Armenian trenches on the northern front. Don't take my word for it because I'm not absolutely certain, but there were some drone attacks in this region as well so it's quite likely that these people from the video are now dead. Pay attention to how most of the soldiers are literally 50+ year old grandpas, locals defending their homes.


Unfortunately, it is obvious that they are not professional soldiers but just ordinary people defending their homes. They have no cover against the drones which is why they are getting slaughtered left and right.
 

La Águila Negra

Kingfisher
As of this morning, the islamic army under the regime of dictator Aliyev has taken Fuzuli and thus broken the strongest line of Armenian defence in the south. They're literally massacring them with drones, Armenians are unfortunately very ill-equipped against these flying pests. This must be a huge blow to the Armenian morale. The neo-Ottoman hordes are advancing northward towards Shushi and Stepankert. If they encircle them, the war is lost, although it is de-facto already unbearable for the Armenians because Artsakh has a population of mere 150 thousand people and there are already well over a few thousand dead Armenians, mostly locals, literally a visible percentage of their population. Putin, a hypocritical machiavellian whore that he is, doesn't care about the slaughter of Christians and the loss of their historic lands and the West, as expected, is still sitting on its ass and ignoring everything. The way things are going right now, Artsakh is going to fall long before anyone recognizes it and ends the conflict.


Over here you can see a video of life in the Armenian trenches on the northern front. Don't take my word for it because I'm not absolutely certain, but there were some drone attacks in this region as well so it's quite likely that these people from the video are now dead. Pay attention to how most of the soldiers are literally 50+ year old grandpas, locals defending their homes.


Unfortunately, it is obvious that they are not professional soldiers but just ordinary people defending their homes. They have no cover against the drones which is why they are getting slaughtered left and right.
In before the 'it's not about religion' crew arrives


I'll refrain from posting the decapitation videos. You can find those yourself if you feel the need
 
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