Since the NBA is in bed with China, will 2019-2020 season brings low attendance and/or empty seats?
The NBA & China Hypocrisy
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Since the NBA is in bed with China, will 2019-2020 season brings low attendance and/or empty seats?
Only for the New York knicks. Seriously they are terrible this year I’m convinced they are trying to tank the next two years to rebuild.
I mean they have some ok players like rj Barrett, Dennis Smith jr, Julius Randle, Marcus Morris , Mitchell Robinson, Kevin Knox, eh it’s better than last year but not really
If they had just kept Porzingis long term instead of running him off, they would have a decent squad this year.
Instead they are lucky to get 25 wins and empty seats
To sum up, garbage teams will have half empty arenas. But I sort of doubt fans will stay away from games because the NBA has huge ties to China. Why would the average lakers fan be upset with lebron and Anthony Davis for selling a lot of jerseys and shoes in China?
Were any NBA fans shocked and appalled with Jordan for not speaking out against Nike and sweatshop labor?
I mean they have some ok players like rj Barrett, Dennis Smith jr, Julius Randle, Marcus Morris , Mitchell Robinson, Kevin Knox, eh it’s better than last year but not really
If they had just kept Porzingis long term instead of running him off, they would have a decent squad this year.
Instead they are lucky to get 25 wins and empty seats
To sum up, garbage teams will have half empty arenas. But I sort of doubt fans will stay away from games because the NBA has huge ties to China. Why would the average lakers fan be upset with lebron and Anthony Davis for selling a lot of jerseys and shoes in China?
Were any NBA fans shocked and appalled with Jordan for not speaking out against Nike and sweatshop labor?
Some people on the left and right co-signing - (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...-coaches-china-reaction-hong-kong-daryl-morey):
"The fact that players seem afraid to speak up about the issue is worrisome enough that it somehow has made temporary allies of figures on both sides of the political spectrum. Republican senator Ted Cruz and Democratic representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez were among politicians who co-signed a letter to Silver expressing their disappointment in the matter.
“NBA players have a rich history of speaking out on sensitive topics of social justice and human rights inside the United States,” the letter states, “and the NBA takes pride in defending their right to do so. Yet while it is easy to defend freedom of speech when it costs you nothing, equivocating when profits are at stake is a betrayal of fundamental American values.”
In this one statement, you can see exactly why the NBA’s attempt to stay neutral has united left and the right. For those on the left (particularly those whom Slate describes as “the radical sports leftists”), it represents a clear-cut example of a corporation putting profits over people by compromising with an authoritarian country with an ongoing history of human rights violations. For those on the right – including those who might otherwise look away at a large corporation doing business with a totalitarian government – Communist China is a uniquely un-American entity, a convenient boogieman representing the dangers of leftism."
"The fact that players seem afraid to speak up about the issue is worrisome enough that it somehow has made temporary allies of figures on both sides of the political spectrum. Republican senator Ted Cruz and Democratic representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez were among politicians who co-signed a letter to Silver expressing their disappointment in the matter.
“NBA players have a rich history of speaking out on sensitive topics of social justice and human rights inside the United States,” the letter states, “and the NBA takes pride in defending their right to do so. Yet while it is easy to defend freedom of speech when it costs you nothing, equivocating when profits are at stake is a betrayal of fundamental American values.”
In this one statement, you can see exactly why the NBA’s attempt to stay neutral has united left and the right. For those on the left (particularly those whom Slate describes as “the radical sports leftists”), it represents a clear-cut example of a corporation putting profits over people by compromising with an authoritarian country with an ongoing history of human rights violations. For those on the right – including those who might otherwise look away at a large corporation doing business with a totalitarian government – Communist China is a uniquely un-American entity, a convenient boogieman representing the dangers of leftism."
Sosa
Kingfisher
The NBA apologized to a regime that literally wants to kill them. This is not a joke.
This is the biggest story in the world. The fallout from this NBA/China crisis is HUGE, and is exposing that all of America is beholden to the Communist Chinese Party ruled by Xi Jinping.
Nike. ESPN. Disney. Apple. Wall Street. Hollywood movie industry. American Politicians. The list goes on and on."Well, at least Google and Facebook hasn't betrayed America, right?" Wrong - they sold all our intellectual property and data to the CCP, the global leader in 5G technology, AI,and facial recognition software.
Because of one single tweet, a clash between the free world and communism on the global stage is coming to a head for everyone to see that could easily escalate into a hot war. Friendly reminder of the military might of the CCP ...... scary stuff:
The post above is on point.
Sane Westerners no longer have a dog in this fight as such. We are just collateral damage. Sure as hell I'm not putting myself between a Chinese bullet and a globohomo elite. Sure as hell the globohomo elite want me just as dead or silenced as the Chinese. Maybe more so.
They can have each other and maybe the rest of us can take a crack at whichever crippled party survives the fray.
Sane Westerners no longer have a dog in this fight as such. We are just collateral damage. Sure as hell I'm not putting myself between a Chinese bullet and a globohomo elite. Sure as hell the globohomo elite want me just as dead or silenced as the Chinese. Maybe more so.
They can have each other and maybe the rest of us can take a crack at whichever crippled party survives the fray.
Sosa
Kingfisher
Polniy_Sostav said:
The United States of America is the leader of the free world, whose values are based on freedom of speech and democracy. Problem is the Communist Chinese Party thinks "Promoting Western Constitutional Democracy is an attempt to undermine the current leadership and the socialism with Chinese characteristics system of governance."
http://www.chinafile.com/document-9-chinafile-translation
The two greatest super powers in the world right now are the USA and China. And China has made it no secret their goal is global domination. They've been waging a multi front war on the USA for the past 20 years. The American Public is just now opening their eyes.
Leonard D Neubache said:
The problem is that it doesn't work that way.
I knew people who were around in the early 40's when the Japanese over-ran the British Empire in Asia.
They talked of the Japanese decorating every Road junction in Singapore with Chinese heads whilst they only starved, tortured and beat the British and other races.
Those wonderful Sikhs happily turned on their British employers and beat and tortured them as much as the Japanese would let them.
In those discussions I would start remarking on how cruelly the Japs had treated them, how terribly the Chinese had suffered and how the likes of the Malays and others were to be treated with caution.
they would shrug and say "yeah, but you have to watch the Chinese.. the Chinese are worse than any of them put together. They don't even think of us as human beings. Everything the Japs did to us, did to others, they learnt from the Chinese."
From Sierra Leone to Cambodia I have heard first hand from people who say they and their people are being crushed by the Chinese with a disdain they haven't seen from just-as-greedy Western or Slavic or Lebanese/Israeli 'oppressors'.
In the Northern Beaches in Sydney I hear from rich Bankers who tell me that everything they do is for China effectively.
How they went to Google and Napster and Apple and sold Australian financial products to American corporations based on Chinese initiated moves in the Australian economy
and based on new Chinese migration patterns which would lead to "population-growth as economic growth" as a way of boosting shares.
The elites are selling you and I out to the Chinese.
The Chinese in China, hell.. even Tibet and Xinjiang, I don't give a shit.
They can do what they want.
But they are steadily advancing and what they are doing would be viewed as alarming if the ((Media)) reported it accurately,
or even reported on it at all.
^Unfortunately they're like the traitor in the 'Matrix' movie, just asking that the Steak remains tasty while he sells out his compadres and the world burns.
Its not a case of Chinese Greed vs ((Greed)).
Its a case of Greed/((Greed)) combining and conspiring against you and I.
And if this isn't held to account our children and grand-children will feel what its like when everything truly has been sold and gutted..
so that they have nothing to protect themselves with when the Great Expansion truly begins.
arafat scarf
Robin
Steve Kerr is absolutely getting ratio'ed for those remarks in the tweet Roosh linked to — for indirectly comparing human rights abuses in the US to those of China. Unbelievable lack of perspective and sense of proportion. I hope Trump has another go at him; he bodied him in a press conference earlier this week saying that he was 'scared like a little boy'.
Just recently the NBA has put in a leaguewide gag order and canceled all media availability. I suppose it's understandable: American players are over there and it would be best not to put them in a compromising situation with the Chinese government. Also, the league employees and their media departments keep stepping on PR landmines and are proving totally unequipped to skate around the issue and defend the indefensible.
In the bigger scheme this whole story is a nice sanity check. I can't recall a pop culture issue that has unified public opinion while casting a harsh light on China, our involvement with them, and the global capitalist corporate elite.
China looks like shit by just being a routinely awful and overly repressive ethno-state trying to silence freedom of expression. The traitorous corporate elites, both owners and athletes, look like shit since they have both acquiesced to awful China and have become a mockery themselves in their equivocal responses and general fumbling.
It's a good thing that the general facebook-post-liking-youtube-viewing public won't take NBA players or the league serious on anything other than dunking a basketball for a good while.
And all this over one, single tweet...
Just recently the NBA has put in a leaguewide gag order and canceled all media availability. I suppose it's understandable: American players are over there and it would be best not to put them in a compromising situation with the Chinese government. Also, the league employees and their media departments keep stepping on PR landmines and are proving totally unequipped to skate around the issue and defend the indefensible.
In the bigger scheme this whole story is a nice sanity check. I can't recall a pop culture issue that has unified public opinion while casting a harsh light on China, our involvement with them, and the global capitalist corporate elite.
China looks like shit by just being a routinely awful and overly repressive ethno-state trying to silence freedom of expression. The traitorous corporate elites, both owners and athletes, look like shit since they have both acquiesced to awful China and have become a mockery themselves in their equivocal responses and general fumbling.
It's a good thing that the general facebook-post-liking-youtube-viewing public won't take NBA players or the league serious on anything other than dunking a basketball for a good while.
And all this over one, single tweet...
Knight of Malta
Robin
Who cares? Who the hell cares? So China wants to censor the NBA or something? Yes, that's really interesting.
I don't understand why people are even concerned about China or that the CCP doesn't care about human rights ("human rights" is a totally bullshit liberal ideology, usually used against Europeans). Maybe this is a generational thing, most of us nationalist and reactionary Zoomers (people in early twenties or teenagers) don't care about it, and if anything sympathize a bit with the CCP, but if not that, at the very least most do not care whatsoever about the "China threat" that Boomers seem to be so concerned about. I think Tigermandingo said something like this on another thread, but he's absolutely right that all of the outrage over China from the Western right wing lately is just an example of frustration being redirected for elite purposes.
At the end of the day, China has a government that actually looks out for the interest of their race and is not actively trying to destroy its own people through mass immigration and demographic change. You cannot criticize the government, but at least you can live in a more traditional society that promotes having kids, getting married young, and isn't trying to demographically replace your people. That's more than Europeans can say. It's not to say that Chinese society and the CCP don't have any of their own problems, with materialism, corruption, and so on, but relatively speaking, the Chinese under the CCP and their country will still be around a century or two from now, Europeans can't say the same with confidence.
Wow that's so terrible, I wouldn't want to see that in Europe. I definitely wouldn't support an authoritarian government in Europe restoring order and promoting ethnic nationalism among European peoples while crushing liberals that promote democracy and other subversive nonsense. I'm glad we have a foreign hostile ruling elite presiding over a corrupt oligarchic mass democracy that is using propaganda to push atomized individualism, transgenderism, pornography, homosexuality, mass immigration, and self hatred on us instead. Those Chinese people are really missing out, they need to embrace women's liberation, gay rights, and African immigrants instead of the CCP's policies promoting having children and Chinese nationalism. Doesn't China realize that liberalism is their strength?
Europeans can criticize governments (in a milquetoast and unsubstantial way as long as it doesn't cross hate speech laws, or you will be thrown in jail) and it's actually very cool that Europe will be minority European a century from now. And I'm not saying that just because people that criticize immigration end up in prison. Also I don't understand why they are so harsh on the Uighers and put them camps, haven't they seen what the Islamist Chechen minority has contributed for Russia when left to themselves? They just need to let the Uighers have more freedom, and send them copies of books by Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand. Then everything will be better.
I don't understand why people are even concerned about China or that the CCP doesn't care about human rights ("human rights" is a totally bullshit liberal ideology, usually used against Europeans). Maybe this is a generational thing, most of us nationalist and reactionary Zoomers (people in early twenties or teenagers) don't care about it, and if anything sympathize a bit with the CCP, but if not that, at the very least most do not care whatsoever about the "China threat" that Boomers seem to be so concerned about. I think Tigermandingo said something like this on another thread, but he's absolutely right that all of the outrage over China from the Western right wing lately is just an example of frustration being redirected for elite purposes.
At the end of the day, China has a government that actually looks out for the interest of their race and is not actively trying to destroy its own people through mass immigration and demographic change. You cannot criticize the government, but at least you can live in a more traditional society that promotes having kids, getting married young, and isn't trying to demographically replace your people. That's more than Europeans can say. It's not to say that Chinese society and the CCP don't have any of their own problems, with materialism, corruption, and so on, but relatively speaking, the Chinese under the CCP and their country will still be around a century or two from now, Europeans can't say the same with confidence.
Wow that's so terrible, I wouldn't want to see that in Europe. I definitely wouldn't support an authoritarian government in Europe restoring order and promoting ethnic nationalism among European peoples while crushing liberals that promote democracy and other subversive nonsense. I'm glad we have a foreign hostile ruling elite presiding over a corrupt oligarchic mass democracy that is using propaganda to push atomized individualism, transgenderism, pornography, homosexuality, mass immigration, and self hatred on us instead. Those Chinese people are really missing out, they need to embrace women's liberation, gay rights, and African immigrants instead of the CCP's policies promoting having children and Chinese nationalism. Doesn't China realize that liberalism is their strength?
Europeans can criticize governments (in a milquetoast and unsubstantial way as long as it doesn't cross hate speech laws, or you will be thrown in jail) and it's actually very cool that Europe will be minority European a century from now. And I'm not saying that just because people that criticize immigration end up in prison. Also I don't understand why they are so harsh on the Uighers and put them camps, haven't they seen what the Islamist Chechen minority has contributed for Russia when left to themselves? They just need to let the Uighers have more freedom, and send them copies of books by Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand. Then everything will be better.
Knight of Malta
Robin
Sounds to me like China is just doing what every sane and normal country does, is pursuing its own interests pragmatically. It's not anything that is uniquely evil or morally wrong, it is just an amoral question of geopolitical interests and power.
Is it really unreasonable for China to have its own logical sphere of influence in East Asia and for not wanting the US to get involved in agitating for the Hong Kong protestors, in the name of globohomo liberal democracy?
Also its aspiration for an end to the liberal Western NWO is also reasonable considering that the US has been declining in power relative to the rest of the world and American influence receding from the world is only natural. In that circumstance, it makes sense that other rising powers -- China, Russia, India, Turkey, and others -- start carving out their own spheres of influence as the geopolitical environment resembles more of a 19th century "Concert of Powers" rather than the post-WW2 American-dominated liberal world order.
China isn't going to dominate the world in the same way the US did because the power of the US at its peak comes from a number of unique factors to America, and this is not going to be replicated with China or any other country.
Lmao, come on dude, we know exactly who "all of America" is beholden to, and it's not "the Chinese."
Is it really unreasonable for China to have its own logical sphere of influence in East Asia and for not wanting the US to get involved in agitating for the Hong Kong protestors, in the name of globohomo liberal democracy?
Also its aspiration for an end to the liberal Western NWO is also reasonable considering that the US has been declining in power relative to the rest of the world and American influence receding from the world is only natural. In that circumstance, it makes sense that other rising powers -- China, Russia, India, Turkey, and others -- start carving out their own spheres of influence as the geopolitical environment resembles more of a 19th century "Concert of Powers" rather than the post-WW2 American-dominated liberal world order.
China isn't going to dominate the world in the same way the US did because the power of the US at its peak comes from a number of unique factors to America, and this is not going to be replicated with China or any other country.
Lmao, come on dude, we know exactly who "all of America" is beholden to, and it's not "the Chinese."
(((It’s not the Chinese)))
arafat scarf
Robin
Knight of Malta said:
If there's anything worse than a woke Millenial, it's a blackpill edgelord Zoomer.
People seem to be reacting to this because they are nationalist.
At least to the extent that they flinch when bedrock American values (like freedom of speech and supporting freedom of speech) are compromised by barbaric foreign agents and greedy, subversive elites.
If you can't see why this makes for an interesting topic for discussion, for any age group, then you're simply disconnected.
Knight of Malta
Robin
arafat scarf said:
Ok Boomer.
arafat scarf said:
Yes, because criticizing the CCP is what is most important right now for freedom of speech. China is the problem, it's the Chinese that are getting right wing social media pages and platforms banned. Keep talking about this and definitely don't mention the other country that uses American institutions to censor its opponents all the time, far more than China, the one that is actually relevant for the future of America and has a much more massive role in deciding American policy. If anything this seems like a right wing distraction from Israel, looking more and more like the neocon equivalent of the mainstream Left's obsession with "Russian meddling."
arafat scarf said:
Discussing it is one thing, but it is annoying to see the mainstream right keep bringing the primary focus on this, especially as a way to deflect from what is really going on. When you have Steve Bannon, Tucker Carlson, and other major right wing figures going on and on about this and leading the right wing movement to the China issue while not talking about the explicit anti-European agenda of the elites, or, God forbid, Israel and the role of them in all of this, then there is a legitimate concern of this becoming a distraction and a nuisance that is deliberately being used.
Knight of Malta said:
Who are the Chinese men going to marry? There is a disproportionate number of men compared to wamen, 30-35 million by 2020.
Traditional society with a 2 kids max policy now! Traditional forced abortions!
A government that spends more money on their police than their military!
Knight of Malta
Robin
CaptainChardonnay said:
That's missing the point. The point is that they have a government that is at least trying to promote a sane policy, but like I said, they have their own problems. From what I heard, it's still normal in China for people to get married at a young age. In the West, the government is not only not promoting sane policies but is doing the exact opposite.
CaptainChardonnay said:
The US' bloated three letter agencies state police budget is way bigger than China's, and its military budget is 3 times larger than China's as well, despite the fact that China's standing army is nearly twice as numerous as the US'.
As well the sexual dynamics are far more deranged in the US than in China, to the point where the gender imbalance in China looks downright trivial.
There are about 16% more males than females in the under 15yo age group in China, but 90% of their women are relatively sane, whereas in America at least half of young women are going to be completely pozzed with the worst kind of aggressive feminism and toxic gender cultural marxism, making them completely unfit for stable marriage and child rearing. And that's not even considering the 2nd and 3rd generation feral girls raised by single moms with Cardi B and the Kardashians as their role models...
The NBA is a shit league and a shit cultural product, an extension of (((hip hop culture))), one of the most subversive cultural influence on youth. China would be so much better off dumping it, it's a joke how they worship teams like the Rockets.