The NBA & China Hypocrisy

Aquarius

Woodpecker
911 said:
Leonard D Neubache said:
Those monsters!

Only the Chinese are capable of such wanton duplicity!

The Obama administration on Thursday announced its retaliation for Russian efforts to interfere with the US presidential election, ordering sweeping new sanctions that included the expulsion of 35 Russians.

US intelligence services believe Russia ordered cyber-attacks on the Democratic National Committee (DNC), Hillary Clinton’s campaign and other political organizations, in an attempt to influence the election in favor of the Republican candidate, Donald Trump.

In a statement issued two weeks after the president said he would respond to cyber-attacks by Moscow “at a time and place of our choosing”, Obama said Americans should “be alarmed by Russia’s actions” and pledged further action.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/29/barack-obama-sanctions-russia-election-hack

U.S. Expels 60 Russian Officials, Closes Consulate In Seattle

China hasn't done anything to US diplomats anywhere close to what the US has done to Russian diplomats.

What you're starting to see here is the deep state gaslighting normie conservatives on China the same way they have gaslighted normie leftists on Russia. This is a logical consequence of neocon policies against Russia that have pushed them to forge a strong alliance with China.

So what you're you're going to see now is the Uniparty establishment working together against Trump to block his America First noninterventionist U-turn. Elizabeth Warren, AOC and Liz fuckin Cheney are on the same page now.

Foreigners get detained over trumped up charges in China all the time especially in times of poor geopolitical relations, suspecting them of being spies whether its true or not. While diplomats don't get detained very often in China, businessmen and even English teachers get the book thrown at them quite frequently. Whenever China gets into a dispute with another country or territory, the expatriates from the said nationality suddenly face a hard time living in China, and then the China operations of companies owned by nationals of the said country get destroyed. Happened with Lotte in 2017, happened with various Japanese businesses in 2012. Happening right now with Cathay Pacific Airways and the NBA. There's a reason why pretty much all of Hong Kong, whether its the elites or the commoners, are spooked by the Extradition Bill.

From what I know, there has been no state-sponsored xenophobia directed towards regular Russian people living or visiting the US. For example, I don't see restaurants serving Russian cuisine in the US getting boycotted, or vandalized by brick-throwing mobs. I don't see people on the streets hurling abuse at Russian speakers, which in many cities are the most common European language being spoken on the streets.

Also, can't we acknowledge that while the US Deep State has foolishly backed Russia into a corner since Yeltsin's Second Term, while the CCP is neither a friend of the Globohomo establishment nor the Western people?

The CCP has no interest whatsoever in seeing a strong, wealthy, no-nonsense, optimistic West that vouches for indigenous Westerners' interests. A strong nationalist West is likely an even bigger threat to China than Globohomo. Remember, during the Century of Humiliation, the West as a whole were fairly nationalist, even the British Empire. The Chinese do not have a concept of the Globohomo and the Deep State. What you consider the Deep State, the CCP sees as White Supremacism.

If the CCP is so great and Globohomo is so bad, why don't you get the hell out of Canada and move to China like some of the veteran forum members have done? Its one thing to defend the CCP because you have a better life in China than the West, but its another to defend the CCP from the comforts of your home in Globohomo Canada while having never lived there.
 
I fail to see any scenario in which China could become a "friend" to Europeans or Americans.

Of course, foreign nations being "friends" is not very realistic. At the most you can hope for a dominant, culturally similar force to keep a Pax, like the Romans or the US in recent times.

You certainly can never have the Chinese sit on Europe like the Romans did or the US did and have the same result.

Ultimately, we haven't seen China occupy a distinctly different, non-muslim country, to know what they would do in such a situation. As far as we can tell in Africa, it might be quite "Roman", extract resources, build infrastructure, some inmarriage, but no large scale colonizing. Africa of course is being done covert for various reasons.

I do think the Chinese are fundamentally reasonable people and could be equal, peaceful partners for the long run. The West would need to abandon Israel and its shame "liberal democracy" though and rather adopt "illiberal democracy".
 

Lovinglife

Woodpecker
It just shows which people and corporations will sell their souls and morales for greed! They already do it in Westerner countries by destroying the family unit and following the Leftists agenda.
 

Eusebius

Hummingbird
Gold Member
In theory, this story, in the bigger sense going behind the NBA, has the potential to really destroy the narrative, I agree. All big corps are in bed with China. An escalating series of malicious acts on China's part, which cannot be ignored, would see them all scrambling and would (should) be the new normie-friendly MAGA rallying point. Not the hostility of China, but the hostility of American big business to American people is the story here.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Aquarius said:
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If the CCP is so great and Globohomo is so bad, why don't you get the hell out of Canada and move to China like some of the veteran forum members have done? Its one thing to defend the CCP because you have a better life in China than the West, but its another to defend the CCP from the comforts of your home in Globohomo Canada while having never lived there.

Because not all of us are rootless cosmopolitans whose highest priority is their standard of living.

Most of us want nothing more than non-intervention and a focus on our own peoples. We only counter the more partisan talking points because we're keenly aware where the old "they need democracy" road leads. More dead goyim kids in uniform.
 

CaptainS

Hummingbird
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Aquarius

Woodpecker
Leonard D Neubache said:
Aquarius said:
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If the CCP is so great and Globohomo is so bad, why don't you get the hell out of Canada and move to China like some of the veteran forum members have done? Its one thing to defend the CCP because you have a better life in China than the West, but its another to defend the CCP from the comforts of your home in Globohomo Canada while having never lived there.

Because not all of us are rootless cosmopolitans whose highest priority is their standard of living.

Most of us want nothing more than non-intervention and a focus on our own peoples. We only counter the more partisan talking points because we're keenly aware where the old "they need democracy" road leads. More dead goyim kids in uniform.

But not everybody on this forum is an indigenous Westerner. For some of us, what happens in Hong Kong is a big deal, both emotionally and financially. Some of us are Hong Kongers, some of us have strong personal and economic ties to Hong Kong, and others have strong personal and economic ties to the Mainland, or any combination of these 3 possibilities. For these forum members, where Hong Kong heads in the future, where China heads in the future, and what relationship China's gonna have with Hong Kong in the future, will directly impact their lives. You would expect these people to care about and root for Hong Kong to have a better tomorrow.

This isn't directed towards you, or any other forum member specifically, but the events in Hong Kong being irrelevant to your personal life and/or ideology doesn't mean that positively overestimating and shilling for a rapidly rising foreign government is in your best interests. You need to have significant positive first-hand experience with a government and its subjects before being able to seriously vouch for the superiority of another government. Likewise on the flip side, Hong Kong protesters trying to beg the US government to save them are completely missing the point.
 

CaptainChardonnay

Ostrich
Gold Member
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https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2019/10/10/espn-uses-illegal-communist-map-of-china-in-nba-report/

The Disney-owned sports network ESPN aired the Communist Party’s preferred map of China during a broadcast Wednesday morning – a map an international legal tribunal ruled illegal in 2016 that violates the sovereignty of five different countries.

The map is typically known as the “nine-dash line” version of the map of China due to its dubious dotted lines deep into the South China Sea, claiming parts of the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, and the entirety of Taiwan for the Communist Party. Reuters noted ESPN’s version included ten dashes and that ESPN had previously not used the illegal map on its broadcasts.

The use of the map follows the revelation this week ESPN commanded its employees to not be critical of Chinese communist regime, currently responsible for widespread human rights abuses against nearly every ethnic and religious minority in the country.

A keen observer on Twitter shared images of the map from the Wednesday morning edition of Sportcenter, the network’s flagship sports news show. The map was shown in the context of a report on basketball player LeBron James arriving in Shanghai for an exhibition match amid the turmoil following an NBA executive’s public declaration of support for the pro-democracy protests currently underway in Hong Kong.

ESPN’s map includes China’s illegal claims to the Spratly and Paracel Islands – which belong to Vietnam and the Philippines – Manila’s Scarborough Shoal, and the waters off of Malaysia and Brunei. The map cuts through one of the world’s richest trade routes and through territory replete with oil and gas resources and fisheries.

China staked its claim to the region claiming that it has been Chinese since “ancient times.” The government of the Philippines sued China in international court after China began acting on its claims, building artificial islands in the territory of Vietnam and the Philippines and equiping them with military assets. Chinese coast guard and government-supported private ships have also regularly partaken in violent acts against Philippine and Vietnamese civilian ships navigating their domestic waters.

In 2016, the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague ruled China’s artificial island construction was illegal and the “nine-dash line” was not a real, enforceable Chinese border. The Communist Party announced it would ignore the legal ruling.

ESPN is now using a map that violates international law.

The broadcast followed a report by Deadspin that revealed an internal memo to employees of ESPN warned them against talking about the Hong Kong protests or Chinese politics on air, significantly compromising their ability to discuss the biggest story in sports today: Houston Rockets General Manager Daryl Morey writing “Fight for freedom, stand with Hong Kong” on Twitter.

The Rockets forced Morey to issue an effusive apology to the Communist Party and offered one itself as a team. The NBA has also apologized on Morey’s behalf. NBA security officials have expelled individuals from games this week for arriving with pro-Hong Kong shirts and signs, which do not violate any stated NBA policy.

Chinese state media have compared the Hong Kong protests, in which only Hong Kong police and pro-China mobs have engaged in violence and no deaths have been recorded, to the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

The Chinese Communist Party has repeatedly bullied international corporations for using accurate maps of China. Last year, the American clothing company Gap issued a profuse apology for a t-shirt that showed a real map of China. The People’s Daily, the official newspaper of the Communist Party of China, published the shirt alongside images of the map ESPN used.

Coach, Givenchy, and Versace have been forced to issue similar apologies.

ESPN’s parent company Disney makes billions in business with China. The NBA does, as well, and is currently operating a “training camp” in Xinjiang province, China – home to hundreds of concentration camps holding millions of Chinese Muslim ethnic minorities and subjecting them to torture, slavery, rape, and murder.

Article doesn't mention that the map also includes Arunachal Pradesh, an India state.
 

Sosa

Woodpecker
This NBA/China controversy does not seem to be going away anytime soon.



The irony of all this is that the owner of the Brooklyn Nets is a member of the Chinese Communist Party. Will be interesting to see if he tries to censor all this in his own arena.
 
Aquarius said:
Leonard D Neubache said:
Aquarius said:
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If the CCP is so great and Globohomo is so bad, why don't you get the hell out of Canada and move to China like some of the veteran forum members have done? Its one thing to defend the CCP because you have a better life in China than the West, but its another to defend the CCP from the comforts of your home in Globohomo Canada while having never lived there.

Because not all of us are rootless cosmopolitans whose highest priority is their standard of living.

Most of us want nothing more than non-intervention and a focus on our own peoples. We only counter the more partisan talking points because we're keenly aware where the old "they need democracy" road leads. More dead goyim kids in uniform.

But not everybody on this forum is an indigenous Westerner. For some of us, what happens in Hong Kong is a big deal, both emotionally and financially. Some of us are Hong Kongers, some of us have strong personal and economic ties to Hong Kong, and others have strong personal and economic ties to the Mainland, or any combination of these 3 possibilities. For these forum members, where Hong Kong heads in the future, where China heads in the future, and what relationship China's gonna have with Hong Kong in the future, will directly impact their lives. You would expect these people to care about and root for Hong Kong to have a better tomorrow.

This isn't directed towards you, or any other forum member specifically, but the events in Hong Kong being irrelevant to your personal life and/or ideology doesn't mean that positively overestimating and shilling for a rapidly rising foreign government is in your best interests. You need to have significant positive first-hand experience with a government and its subjects before being able to seriously vouch for the superiority of another government. Likewise on the flip side, Hong Kong protesters trying to beg the US government to save them are completely missing the point.

Now you know how white people feel when minorities attack white society and vote for Clinton.
 

Bienvenuto

Pelican
Gold Member
nomadbrah said:
Aquarius said:
Leonard D Neubache said:
Aquarius said:
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If the CCP is so great and Globohomo is so bad, why don't you get the hell out of Canada and move to China like some of the veteran forum members have done? Its one thing to defend the CCP because you have a better life in China than the West, but its another to defend the CCP from the comforts of your home in Globohomo Canada while having never lived there.

Because not all of us are rootless cosmopolitans whose highest priority is their standard of living.

Most of us want nothing more than non-intervention and a focus on our own peoples. We only counter the more partisan talking points because we're keenly aware where the old "they need democracy" road leads. More dead goyim kids in uniform.

But not everybody on this forum is an indigenous Westerner. For some of us, what happens in Hong Kong is a big deal, both emotionally and financially. Some of us are Hong Kongers, some of us have strong personal and economic ties to Hong Kong, and others have strong personal and economic ties to the Mainland, or any combination of these 3 possibilities. For these forum members, where Hong Kong heads in the future, where China heads in the future, and what relationship China's gonna have with Hong Kong in the future, will directly impact their lives. You would expect these people to care about and root for Hong Kong to have a better tomorrow.

This isn't directed towards you, or any other forum member specifically, but the events in Hong Kong being irrelevant to your personal life and/or ideology doesn't mean that positively overestimating and shilling for a rapidly rising foreign government is in your best interests. You need to have significant positive first-hand experience with a government and its subjects before being able to seriously vouch for the superiority of another government. Likewise on the flip side, Hong Kong protesters trying to beg the US government to save them are completely missing the point.

Now you know how white people feel when minorities attack white society and vote for Clinton.

Its not a direct parallel because Chi na is uniting its people around dislike/animus toward 'foreigners', mainly meaning white society.
Aquarius is also pointing out here that white westerners' complacency is misplaced.

I spoke to some Airbus people from Europe today here in Mainland C h ina and the way they tell it Ch in a and Globalism is wonderful because they just go .. airport, taxi, hotel, conference rooms, get lots of investment and life is on easy mode.
The expats in the conversation who had their own small businesses told a different story.
They can actually speak Mandarin and follow the legal situation.
Apparently, since 2017, they are bringing in more and more new laws targeting foreigners, (they just haven't told the foreigners or their embassies that their general mode of living life is breaking all these new laws.)
The hammer hasn't dropped yet.
and every night, here in town, they are putting up plasma screens on stands on the pavements showing videos in Mandarin blaming 'foreigners' for Ch in a's troubles.
They are outlawing more and more Man Darin words and their English equivalents which now bring criminal charges if they are uttered.

Going round their equivalent of Times Square the LCD screens are displaying pro-ch ina propaganda. TV channels are non-stop pro-Chi na. Chi na flags everywhere.

Anyone wanna compare that with that billboard thats up in Times Square just now?

This morning they ran a documentary on the 1979 C C P backed song "I love you China" completed with state backed explanations of its profound meanings and.. get this.. the big reveal that it is one of the most favourite songs of famous western "only black candles in my dressing room/no brown M&Ms in the jar in my dressing room" recording artists.
There followed a stream of clips of recent B list western celebs pouring their heart into lyrics along the lines of "I am suckled by your bountiful hills of rich and softly waving crops"etc. before B list celebs then explained how much that song is one of their Deep Deep Personal favourites.

I mean I get it - Kylie Minogue gave an interview on MTV Asia in 2001 where she was asked who her favourite singer other than herself was and her reply was "Nelly Furtado.. I haven't heard her sing yet but she's supporting me on my Asia tour here."

But this aint no Vietnam or Taiwan.
People have to give money to the C Cp and come here and see the Vast Scale of this. The non stop state blaring of 'patriotism!' at everyone from 60ft screens every second block.

You will have never seen your face on so many monitors or been told to stand aside and answer questions so many times.
And while they are whipping up the anti-foreigner animus here bear in mind that no-one is thinking about poor oppressed blacks or jihad-crazed muslims.
The foreigner they despise is the one who subjected them to their years of humiliation, need I tell people which group that is?

The billboards in Times Square and the Billboards in the P RC might as well have the same author. In many ways they do.
 

Sword and Board

Kingfisher
Sure, I don't own any business in China but im not buying this "White men must fear Chinese nationalism" as Bienvenuto puts it. Now im not shilling for China by any means. They are probably doing a lot of bad shit to be honest but Outside of China it really only effects New world order types that abhor independence/nationalism (that isn't Israel) and rootless cosmopolitans that love to parasitically attach to others for unabated exploitation.

What I fear is Zionist nationalism in my own backyard, calling the shots, milking the coffers dry, inviting in unwanted guests, sending our sons to die for their gain and poisoning my family slowly.
 

66Scorpio

Woodpecker
I am in a pickle on this issue. I am not a sports fan and don't follow the NBA. To that extent my DNGAF reading is off the charts. However, I am a student (formally) of business and (informally) of politics and philosophy and this disturbs me. The kicker is that I live and work in China.

Chinese people are - individually and in small groups - great people and good friends. The same can be said about the other nations I have visited: Americans, Australians, New Zealanders. I have also read that many people have experienced genuine hospitality from Muslims.

Individuals are not the issue but rather their overlords who are calling the shots.

Being lower middle class with a wife and kid to take care of, maybe it is easier to rationalize why I keep doing what I am doing without stirring the pot. As a multi-millionaire or a billion dollar organization, perhaps I could take a stand at the risk of losing a chunk of change. If I was a single swinging dick then I would move and give them the finger on the way out. I can't do that. I can always take care of myself but the West can't offer me what I need to take care of my family. So I STFU.

Kids here love basketball. The schools here design their athletic fields to have track, badminton, ping-pong and basketball. Yao Ming is a minor deity and Jeremy Lin is at least a saint.

On the other hand, China is very racist. As a white guy I am lao wai (老外) as long as I do not talk politics. My wife - a Filipina - gets respect due to my halo, but otherwise the mud people (Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and such) are second class. And don't get me started about the Japanese.

Google "Darlie:. . . I dare you.

But the key takeaway is that they don't like black guys. Some like the multi-million dollar status of NBA players but no father, mother, brother or sister or whatever wants their little girl to marry a n***er. As a white guy I am well respected but many parents don't want their girl to marry and white guy (unless he is rich).

This is a long post but I have to set the stage.

The NBA and its players are beholden to China economically and now morally. The latter is issue for concern.

These mental midgets have no problem to beak off about woke issues they have no real insight into within the confines of 1st Amendment USA, but fold like a cheap suit when China says so.

What is happening in HK is WRONG! If anyone is kind enough to crowdfund me a billion, then I will say so publicly.

For me to say this now, I have too much to lose: wife and kid. For them to say this means fewer millions among the many millions.
 
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