The Neo-reactionary Movement and Curtis Yarvin Thread

[Cynllo]

Does anyone have insights into the neo-reactionary movement?

I have heard about this for some time, but only really familiarised myself with it a few days ago with this video of Tucker Carlson with Curtin Yarvin, who appears to be the godfather of neo-recationaryism. It seems that Yarvin, although not well known is well circulated in certain wealthy circles and has an association with Peter Thiel.

Here is the video with Tucker:

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From the little I have seen, it seems the basis of the movement is:

- they are broadly opposed to the left, but mostly on economic and social organisation and not social-culture
- relates to anarcho-libertarianism
- has associations with considerably far right groups
- is essentially atheistic
- anti-egalitarian
- the work of Yarvin has influenced people with significantly different ideas
- democracy is wasteful and inefficient
- society should be controlled by the competent and other people should have no influence of the management of society

Although I don't agree with him (Yarvin) for a number of reasons, he does have a lot of very deep observations on the nature of modern society. One that comes to mind is that he has identified the left-wing conception of wanting to change the world for what it is - a desire for power.

I don't believe his ideas will work, as they are essentially an upgraded, libertarian fascism. The lesson of history is the secular dictatorships of any kind haven't produced systems that can perpetuate themselves into the future. He is right that democracy is inefficient and invites unqualified people into decision making, even in a small way. And that democracy and liberal-progressiveism are on their way out.

The most common and longest-living model from history is monarchy in conjunction with a universal religion. The religion provides the basis of society, which is carried from generation to generation, while the monarch imposes both the religion and order. Though the order of the monarch may change dramatically after they die.

But I think it's far too late for any chance of reviving a religion that could be the basis for society. Even many alleged Christians would see it as oppressive. Similarly with democracy, there are too many who demand it.

 

[BarrontheTigercat]

Well I don't want to shut down any thread prematurely and it may be that Yarvin has lots of interesting things to say.

I have a personal dislike of the guy.

Jews like milo yiannopolous, Peter thiel, Michael malice, Howard stern back in the day.

They fill up our airwaves and our headlines.

That Jozef Bootski character who tried to corner Tucker Carlson once. Its interesting to note that semi-retarded guy's affirmative actioning was just because he was one of (((Howard Stern's))) favorites as a 'wack packer' on his show. He was listed as a 'movie actor' in his biography. Unattractive overweight guy who couldn't speak English properly. Heroin addict.

But he was shoved in people's faces because Stern liked him.

Just reminds me of affirmative actioned types like (((Lex Fridman))) who isn't actually very bright and who tries to pull off a very fake one dimensional on screen persona.

Yarvin, (((Mencius Moldbug))) etc. gets autocued on the likes of YouTube as the next big thing when he is just an affirmative actioned brat with less talent when compared to his competitors.

there was a time when Yarvin, (((Mencius Moldbug))) appeared on (((Michael Malice's))) chat on youtube.
They both tried to do outdo each other with ever-more arcane and irrelevant historical details that one, then the other, knew..
They came off as pretentious rather than intelligent.

What was interesting was that they both agreed that, in order to rule a country, "one needs to have a degree of contempt for its populace".

In England the "Greatest Ever Living Englishman" was acknowledged to be Lord Horatio Nelson: certainly he was a great military commander, brave and daring, and the main reason that we are all speaking English now and not French.
People were freezing on deck one night when Nelson was offered a coat, he was wearing just a shirt.
He immediately said "love of my country keeps me warm".
He meant it.
Love of his country and its people was central to his life.

Nelson was probably the Greatest military leader the UK ever had, him or Marlborough.

I watched that little Yarvin chat and was amazed at the level of ingratitude, entitlement and disdain that emanated from the two of these aging brats.
Similar again to when listening to affirmative actioned little stoner-brat ((Lex Fridman)) and his almost always Jewish (((guests)).

Can certainly hear the contempt when the indigenous working classes are brought up for discussion as being just dumb for not realizing the depths of malice and the scheming that were being enacted against them.

Its not the fault of the jewish schemers no, no... its the rape-victim's, addict's, movie-goers, coal -miner's, suburban teenager's etc.

Gotta love that disdain.

If you hadn't guessed I don't like Yarvin nor the amount of attention he gets relative to his worth.
I think he's pretentious.

 

[Tom Slick]

I have followed Yarvin under one of his other pseudonyms because he was an hilarious poster on one of the very last free speech subreddits before he was doxxed, and then later the subreddit was shut down. I've also read one of his books and agreed with it 100%, although it was quite grotesque and sexually bizarre, just reinforcing the rootless cosmopolitan stereotype for sexual deviancy.

But I lost interest in Yarvin's big picture analyses when he said in the interview with Tucker that there is no nexus of power, there are just a bunch of elites who do their own things. Guy can still be funny and smart, but that is absurd. I attribute this conclusion to his inability to see the singular source for evil, probably because he's atheist or some kind of highbrow agnostic.

No need for me to investigate his theories any further.

 

[Mike Contro Rossi]

Neo-Reactionary can never be as good or like the real Reactionary Counterrevolutionary movements of yesteryear.

 

[jacknjill]

I have followed Yarvin under one of his other pseudonyms because he was an hilarious poster on one of the very last free speech subreddits before he was doxxed, and then later the subreddit was shut down. I've also read one of his books and agreed with it 100%, although it was quite grotesque and sexually bizarre, just reinforcing the rootless cosmopolitan stereotype for sexual deviancy.

But I lost interest in Yarvin's big picture analyses when he said in the interview with Tucker that there is no nexus of power, there are just a bunch of elites who do their own things. Guy can still be funny and smart, but that is absurd. I attribute this conclusion to his inability to see the singular source for evil, probably because he's atheist or some kind of highbrow agnostic.

No need for me to investigate his theories any further.

Do you remember which book was it? I don't seem to remember any of his books which was around sexual topics, I have read all of his books and blog posts.

 

[Tom Slick]

Do you remember which book was it? I don't seem to remember any of his books which was around sexual topics, I have read all of his books and blog posts.

Sent you a DM.

 

[Wutang]

It was actually on this forum that I was actually first introduced to neo-reactionary. I remember someone posting up Yarvin's series of posts about how Richard Dawkins got "pwned". I remember finding a lot of the ideas fascinating though I ultimately could never make the leap to supporting the return of monarchy. The height of this neo-reactionary/Dark Enlightment stuff seems to have peaked around 2013-2015 during the same time the manosphere was peaking too. Even then it was still mostly confined to a small portion of the manosphere. I don't think there was any big red pill "influencer" that was openly espousing it. The only figure I can think of that openly called themselves a neo-reactionary was Aurini. I have seen Roosh espousing some views that seems to be in alignment with that ideology. During his last lecture tour he did a series of videos for each city he visited and there was an episode he visited this church that had some Masonic imagery present. During that episode he had some criticisms about the American Revolution that was along the lines of how the colonials were rebelling against the God-given divine right that the King of England possessed.

The other figure I can think of that is sympathetic to this school of thought is Michael Witcoff. That said, I don't think either Roosh or Witcoff would say they are neo-reactionaries - at best they might just be fellow travelers.

 

[Cynllo]

The height of this neo-reactionary/Dark Enlightment stuff seems to have peaked around 2013-2015 during the same time the manosphere was peaking too. Even then it was still mostly confined to a small portion of the manosphere. I don't think there was any big red pill "influencer" that was openly espousing it.

I could be wrong, but I am seeing the rise of some neo-recationaries on Twitter - Zero HP Lovecraf and Auron MacIntyre in particular. As well as what seems to be a general uptick in theocracy, monarchism, Catholic integralism etc.

 

[Wutang]

I think there is a general rise in attraction to authoritarianism. On that episode of that podcast where Nick Fuentes got confronted by the Aussie chick about having no romantic experience with women one of the things he specifically said is that he doesn't see authoritarianism as inherently negative thing and that there could be positive forms of it. He seems to be a Catholic integralist of some sort since in the same episode he also talks about the "great chain of being" which is something trad Catholic integralists speak about. I'm not sure how much of these people are directly influenced by Yarvin and neo-reactionarism though. I don't think Fuentes or any prominent Groyper has openly said they derived their ideology from the sold of neo-reactionary ideas that Yarvin was putting forth. Back in the mid 2010s right before the election of Trump other hand there did seem to be more people who did specifically identify as neo-reactionaries.

 

[Diadem]

Curtis Yarvin Vs the Deep State

Support Infowars and find the latest deals on the products you need at https://www.infowarsstore.com Curtis Yarvin a.k.a 'Mencius Moldbug' of https://graymirror.substack.com/ joins The Alex Jones Show in-studio to break down his fight against the Deep State.

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[Jive Turkey]

In one of his talks he repeatedly mentions his parents are deep state, work for the state department and have close ties to Joe Biden. Tread with caution. His ideas are interesting but I think it is a tower of babel that appeals to autistic computer programmers and armchair generals and armchair diplomats.

The NRX movement itself may not be bad. But I personally think Yarvin is a bad actor at worst, but an atheist Jew at the absolute best.

 

[Diadem]

Jim reports on the Patriarch’s Forgiveness Sunday sermon:

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[rodion]

Yarvin's essay "an open letter to open-minded progressives" had a big impact on me, as did Nick Land's "The Dark Enlightenment." I see many problems with their outlook now, but I consider it an important pit stop on my long journey seeking the truth.

It was a potent redpill for me, it presented ideas that I had never considered, particularly as The Enlightenment was upheld as a wondrous movement freeing man from the shackles of superstition in my leftist, atheist stage. For the first time I encountered right-wingers who were clearly very intelligent, and (I consider this one of the pitfalls) it felt exciting and rebellious to be against "The Cathedral" and to LARP as a dissident. Not to mention how genuinely hilarious RW twitter can be (the Mel Gibson Fan accounts made me howl, although not very Christian.) A community of anonymous schizophrenic bodybuilders can make a man feel less alone in clown world.

The problem of course is that NRx and it's proponents are largely materialist, seeking material solutions to spiritual problems. Also, one of the red flags is the disdain in some reactionary circles to conspiracy. There's this idea that it's all just self-perpetuating incompetence due to adherence to an insane ideology and the fact that democracy neuters any capacity to govern effectively. There is of course some truth to this, but it only really scratches the surface imo.

The BAPists are largely incoherent larpers. Sampling of smorgasbord of pagan mythology, being tanned and having a harem might be a reaction against the aesthetic of decay and hints at a desire for something transcendent, but it is a deception that moves people no closer to Christ and feeds the passions. It's new age ecumenism with big biceps.

Apologies if somewhat off topic, just giving my experience with NRx and dissident twitter

 

[Diadem]

Orthodox critique of Yarvin's monarchism:

 

[Mike Contro Rossi]

Orthodox critique of Yarvin's monarchism:

I go to church with him. Good guy.

 

[Blade Runner]

Orthodox critique of Yarvin's monarchism:

I agree with him, and I'm not supporting any of these dumb governmental systems, but I don't see a way out. It's hard to tell people to just "keep suffering", though it appears that that's the only option, and God will either have to do something, or not, and we'll have to be OK with it. I should correct myself - I do see a possible way out, and that involves the money running out. I have posted that high and low on most threads, as it appears to be a solution, with quite unpredictable sequences that would follow. I do believe that it will be the way a particular solution works out, that is, the first step. It could also be a way that the end times is started as the "final solution."