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Pigeon
Looks like a really nice boat
The new cold war with China
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Your understanding of China and of Xi's background is very superficial. During the Cultural Revolution, Xi was put in a labor camp by the Maoists, who also had his father imprisoned, and his sister killed. Xi is taking his country further to the right, emphasizing Confucian Chinese traditional values. He has outmaneuvered the old Communist guard in his country.
Failure to End China’s Labor Camps Shows Limits of Xi’s Power
China’s president runs into opposition in a personal battle to end the country’s use of labor camps for arbitrary detention.
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China's economic growth under Xi has accelerated, not only did he get great results in the short term but he's also cemented China's position as the world's greatest trading power by engineering the $6 trillion Belt and Road trade program, the biggest infrastructure project in the history of humanity. He is investing in his country's future, while our leaders siphon our wealth through trillion dollar giveaway to the oligarchs and endless war for Israel.
Xi is very popular in China, especially among younger mainlanders, who are by and large extremely optimistic about their future and that of their country. China today has a rapidly expanding middle class and a shrinking poverty rate that is already much lower than the poverty rate of most western nations, including the US, Canada, France or the UK, where that rate is actually growing.
We in the West would be lucky to have leaders like Xi who truly care about their country.
Pentagon Report: China Now Has World’s Largest Navy as Beijing Expands Military Influence
"China is bent on creating a world-class military that can conduct joint operations across the globe and already boasts the world’s largest navy, according to the Pentagon’s latest annual assessment of the Chinese military.
A “permanent condition of military inferiority is anathema” to China’s leadership and nowhere is that more obvious in its naval build-up, Chad Sbragia, deputy assistant secretary of defense for China, said during a Tuesday American Enterprise Institute forum."
Pentagon Report: China Now Has World’s Largest Navy as Beijing Expands Military Influence - USNI News
China is bent on creating a world-class military that can conduct joint operations across the globe and already boasts the world’s largest navy, according to the Pentagon’s latest annual assessment of the Chinese military. A “permanent condition of military inferiority is anathema” to China’s...news.usni.org
The US Navy is about twice as big as China's navy in tonnage or displacement, the measure by which most navies are evaluated. It is also the largest in terms of number of ships, with 490, not 293 like this article claims.
Top 10 Largest Navies in the World 2020 (Strength) - PickyTop
Most powerful top 10 navy in the world 2020 but there are other countries with powerful & strong warships. We will study those other nations rankings as well
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List of navies by displacement - EverybodyWiki Bios & Wiki
That article was written to generate political interest and create an impression that the US isn't spending enough on its military, when the share of GDP spent on the military is near 5%, higher than China's percentage.
MovingForward2050
Kingfisher
The US Navy is about twice as big as China's navy in tonnage or displacement, the measure by which most navies are evaluated. It is also the largest in terms of number of ships, with 490, not 293 like this article claims.
Top 10 Largest Navies in the World 2020 (Strength) - PickyTop
Most powerful top 10 navy in the world 2020 but there are other countries with powerful & strong warships. We will study those other nations rankings as well
List of navies by displacement - EverybodyWiki Bios & Wiki
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That article was written to generate political interest and create an impression that the US isn't spending enough on its military, when the share of GDP spent on the military is near 5%, higher than China's percentage.
A good point about tonnage/displacement!
The different numbers for American warships, may have to do with how ships are divided into two categories, active and reserve operations.
Unfortunately, China has much more of a shipbuilding capacity than we do at this point, and so America is going to have to go into overdrive if we want to try to keep up with their warship building goals for the next three decades.
A war between China and America, a decade or more down the road, is going to truly showcase the importance of undersea, surface and aerial drones! And we will hopefully have the edge!
One thing I am happy about, is that the U.S. Navy is finally actually deploying/mounting powerful lasers on their warships. In theory, if they can actually do the job, this will help to negate the huge advantage China had with their huge number of anti-ship missiles and rockets, which could overwhelm American fleet defenses and do immense damage.
Troller
Woodpecker
"China's economic growth under Xi has accelerated, "Your understanding of China and of Xi's background is very superficial. During the Cultural Revolution, Xi was put in a labor camp by the Maoists, who also had his father imprisoned, and his sister killed. Xi is taking his country further to the right, emphasizing Confucian Chinese traditional values. He has outmaneuvered the old Communist guard in his country.
Failure to End China’s Labor Camps Shows Limits of Xi’s Power
China’s president runs into opposition in a personal battle to end the country’s use of labor camps for arbitrary detention.
China's economic growth under Xi has accelerated, not only did he get great results in the short term but he's also cemented China's position as the world's greatest trading power by engineering the $6 trillion Belt and Road trade program, the biggest infrastructure project in the history of humanity. He is investing in his country's future, while our leaders siphon our wealth through trillion dollar giveaway to the oligarchs and endless war for Israel.
Xi is very popular in China, especially among younger mainlanders, who are by and large extremely optimistic about their future and that of their country. China today has a rapidly expanding middle class and a shrinking poverty rate that is already much lower than the poverty rate of most western nations, including the US, Canada, France or the UK, where that rate is actually growing.
We in the West would be lucky to have leaders like Xi who truly care about their country.
No it didn´t.
China growth:
2013 ..... 7,8 XIJIPING became president of China
2014 ..... 7,4
2015 ..... 7
2016 ..... 6,8
2017 ..... 6,9
2018 ..... 6,7
2019 ..... 6,1
2020 ..... ?
Historical GDP of China - Wikipedia
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China GDP Annual Growth Rate | 1989-2020 Data | 2021-2022 Forecast | Calendar
The Chinese economy grew by 3.2 percent year-on-year in the second quarter of 2020, rebounding from a record 6.8 percent contraction in the previous three-month period and beating market consensus of a 2.5 percent expansion. The country became the first major economy to report growth following...
Purchase power has been coming down also since Xi became president.
China's Historical GDP for 1952 –present[9][6] (current price, revision based on the 4th economic census 2018)[10] (purchasing power parity of Chinese Yuan, as Int'l.dollar based on IMF-WEO October 2019[11]) | |||||||||||
year | GDP | GDP per capita (GDPPC) based on mid-year population | Reference index | ||||||||
GDP in billions | real growth (%) | GDPPC | real growth (%) | Mid-year population in thousands | exchange rate 1 foreign currency to CNY | ||||||
| CNY | USD | PPP (Int'l$.) | CNY | USD | PPP (Int'l$.) | USD 1 | Int'l$. 1 (PPP) | ||||
| p2019 | 99,086.50 | 14,363.48 | 28,335.53 | 6.1 | 70,892 | 10,276 | 20,273 | 5.7 | 1,397,715 | 6.8985 | 3.4969 |
| 2018 | 91,928.11 | 13,891.88 | 26,274.93 | 6.7 | 66,006 | 9,975 | 18,866 | 6.2 | 1,392,730 | 6.6174 | 3.4987 |
| 2017 | 83,203.59 | 12,323.17 | 23,633.36 | 6.9 | 60,014 | 8,889 | 17,047 | 6.3 | 1,386,395 | 6.7518 | 3.5206 |
| 2016 | 74,639.51 | 11,237.00 | 21,312.18 | 6.8 | 54,139 | 8,151 | 15,459 | 6.2 | 1,378,665 | 6.6423 | 3.5022 |
| 2015 | 68,885.82 | 11,059.95 | 19,452.68 | 7.0 | 50,237 | 8,066 | 14,186 | 6.5 | 1,371,220 | 6.2284 | 3.5412 |
| 2014 | 64,356.31 | 10,476.71 | 18,175.64 | 7.4 | 47,173 | 7,679 | 13,323 | 6.9 | 1,364,270 | 6.1428 | 3.5408 |
| 2013 | 59,296.32 | 9,574.42 | 16,612.87 | 7.8 | 43,684 | 7,054 | 12,239 | 7.3 | 1,357,380 | 6.1932 | 3.5693 |
| 2012 | 53,858.00 | 8,531.96 | 15,179.39 | 7.9 | 39,874 | 6,317 | 11,238 | 7.4 | 1,350,695 | 6.3125 | 3.5481 |
| 2011 | 48,794.02 | 7,554.66 | 13,919.28 | 9.6 | 36,302 | 5,621 | 10,356 | 9.1 | 1,344,130 | 6.4588 | 3.5055 |
| 2010 | 41,211.93 | 6,087.88 | 12,445.47 | 10.6 | 30,808 | 4,551 | 9,304 | 10.1 | 1,337,705 | 6.7695 | 3.3114 |
| 2009 | 34,851.77 | 5,102.00 | 11,045.47 | 9.4 | 26,180 | 3,833 | 8,297 | 8.9 | 1,331,260 | 6.8310 | 3.1553 |
| 2008 | 31,924.46 | 4,596.69 | 10,037.24 | 9.7 | 24,100 | 3,470 | 7,577 | 9.1 | 1,324,655 | 6.9451 | 3.1806 |
| 2007 | 27,009.23 | 3,551.98 | 8,945.53 | 14.2 | 20,494 | 2,695 | 6,788 | 13.6 | 1,317,885 | 7.6040 | 3.0193 |
| 2006 | 21,943.85 | 2,752.68 | 7,608.82 | 12.7 | 16,738 | 2,100 | 5,804 | 12.1 | 1,311,020 | 7.9718 | 2.8840 |
| 2005 | 18,731.89 | 2,286.69 | 6,539.32 | 11.4 | 14,368 | 1,754 | 5,016 | 10.7 | 1,303,720 | 8.1917 | 2.8645 |
| 2004 | 16,184.02 | 1,955.35 | 5,719.54 | 10.1 | 12,487 | 1,509 | 4,413 | 9.4 | 1,296,075 | 8.2768 |
I could go over the rest of your arguments. But they are at best naive. Which contradicts with most of your posts.
dicknixon72
Kingfisher
That boat is Liaoning, which is a major refit of the old Riga/Varyag, sister of Kuznetsov, Russia's only 'carrier.' Very interesting saga about how it ended up in Chinese hands as it was initially purchased by a private Chinese investor under the auspices of being converted into a floating hotel and casino. Right.
Its not a true Supercarrier - only the US possesses those - but a converted Soviet 'Aircraft Cruiser' to which there really is no Western analogue. It offers limited fixed-wing operations, but combines the attributes of a heavy cruiser in carrying an array of powerful anti-ship missiles, guns, and SAMs. Liaoning does away with all the anti-ship cruiser elements and makes the most of of its layout with a maximized flight deck. It has no catapults, so aircraft capacity and type is limited to J-15s - which are knockoff SU-33s - and rotary-wing elements. Its more akin to an old escort carrier in terms of capability, i.e. not able to project power as its lacks the air wing and endurance, but able to provide regional air support versus Viet Nam, the Philippines, etc.
Shandong, their newest carrier, is a further refinement of Liaoning, but is still conventionally-powered and lacks catapults.
**Actually, that picture is not Liaoning, but I already wrote all of this, so enjoy!
You have a limited understanding of the nature of geometric growth, let me help you out here.
When Xi took over the CCP in 2012, China's GDP was $8,5 trillion and growing at 7.9%.
Today, its GDP is $14.5 trillion, and growing at 6.1%.
In 2012, China was adding 0.079 x $8.5 = $ 0.67 trillion per year to its economy.
Today, China is adding 0.061 x $14.5 = $ 0.88 trillion per year to its economy.
So China today is growing by 32% more every year than in 2012.
China's GDP growth rate has dropped by 1.8% since 2012, but that GDP has grown by 81% since! You're trying to pass off the notion that something that's over 80% bigger that's growing at 6% is kind of a bad thing, when in fact that kind of sustained growth above 6% from a mature, and huge economy that China has experienced in the 2010s is completely unprecedented in modern history, only 1930s Germany comes close.
China has managed to sustain a very high level of economic growth despite maturing as an economy, and moving up the product/technology ladder.
The most outstanding feature of this economic growth is that it has directly benefited the average Chinese citizen, with a huge expansion in the size of their middle and upper classes and a stunning contraction of their poverty rates, that's why Xi is very popular at home. Whereas in most western countries we've seen GDP growth accompanied with ever shrinking middle classes, with the oligarchs and 1% siphoning off gains in productivity and nearly all economic growth.
dv2020_to_be_or_not_to_be
Pigeon
Thanks for the info, me and my brothers were always into war machines. I suppose that photo was intended to intimidate as propaganda so they made the paint shiny to make the carrier look new and hi tech. Interesting that it is surplus retrofit.
Maybe this question is on topic. Do you recall that around 2010 the chinese increased the birth per couple from one to two? Just think in 8 years how big their military will be. I haven't heard much about that for years but since we are talking threats, that seems like a biggy.
Troller
Woodpecker
A little more time to expand.
Nobody said China didn´t grew. China kept growing. What is totally false is your statement China accelerated growth under Xidiot. One thing is saying China is growing. Which we will never know the truth since were talking about commies. But accepting as true your are still lying or are just wrong. If Xidiot would have kept the average 10% growth rates he received. In 2019 China GDP would be at $16,56T GDP. And in 2020 $18,22T. The adding per year would be 1,8T and not half like what China has now. So yes. Xidiot is a loser.
China is nothing without the help of western elites. Will repeat. China has zero value. Zero input. Zero improvement. China power comes from treasonous western elites who sell them technology. They have nothing to show. Actually USA/west wanted Israel to replace them. But fucking jews betrayed them by selling secrets/technologies to the yellows. Now USA will make China and Israel pay. China more than Israel. Anyway I digress.
Chinese currency. Yuan is worth zero. The only value to a Yuan is it´s capability to be converted into dollars or euros. If USA and UE would not accept Yuans. Nobody would want counterfeited chinese cash. You know why? Because commies and winnie the pooh are not trustworthy. USA even with all it´s faults (fags/pedo´s and feminism) is a transparent economy. You can put some trust into an american/european. No trust can be given to a yellow. And that´s why they only produce SHIT. You need christians to be able to create a venture between many participants.
It´s so obvious China/CCP is a model for nothing. Except to be a trojan horses for satanic elites to implement their hell on earth. Which many countries already experienced: China, Cuba, Russia. Venezuelans are feeling it now.
The GDP per capita of China is 16785$. GDP per capita of USA is 67426. China is ranked 78. USA 10.º. You are saying people have a better chance in China than USA???? Really? ahahahahah.
I won´t give more examples. Just google.
China is only a threat because of the complicity of western elites. China has zero value or threat by itself. Chinks would shoot their own foot if left unsupervised. Now if you add the satanic elites plotting against us. Than yes. China is as a trojan horse a threat.
China as a long history. And Chinese are extremely hard working people and family oriented. I wish no ill to chinese and hope they have great lives. Confusing CCP with China or chinese people is a mistake I don´t make. I have one chinese friend. Good person.
Now here´s my first hand experience. Was talking with a chinese developer the other day. We start talking about politics and Xidiot. The guy literally kept looking over his shoulder the entire time. I´m in south Europe. Tell the guy to relax. And I shout FUCK XIJIPING. Fuck him. Just to see his reaction. ahahahahah.
You see here´s the difference between China and west:
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This thread. Is what makes west the best zone on the planet to live. And whoever says differently should pack their bags and go live in places they praise. Now west has some problems to fix: fags/pedo´s, feminism, central banks and taxes/regulations. All of this items must be worked.
MovingForward2050
Kingfisher
Troller wrote:
"China as a long history. And Chinese are extremely hard working people and family oriented. I wish no ill to chinese and hope they have great lives. Confusing CCP with China or chinese people is a mistake I don´t make. I have one chinese friend. Good person."
I completely agree.
This link shows a good breakdown of how the two powerful economies compare...
"The IMF projects a growth of 5.8% in 2020, which would sober down to around 5.6% by 2023. Over the years, the difference in the size of the Chinese and the U.S. economy has been shrinking rapidly. In 2018, the Chinese GDP in nominal terms stood at $13.37 trillion, lower than the U.S. by $7.21 trillion. In 2020, the gap is expected to reduce to $7.05 trillion, and by 2023, the difference would be $5.47 trillion. In terms of GDP in PPP, China is the largest economy, with a GDP (PPP) of $25.27 trillion. By 2023, China's GDP (PPP) would be $36.99 trillion. China's huge population brings down its GDP per capita to $10,100 (seventieth position)."
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"China as a long history. And Chinese are extremely hard working people and family oriented. I wish no ill to chinese and hope they have great lives. Confusing CCP with China or chinese people is a mistake I don´t make. I have one chinese friend. Good person."
I completely agree.
This link shows a good breakdown of how the two powerful economies compare...
"The IMF projects a growth of 5.8% in 2020, which would sober down to around 5.6% by 2023. Over the years, the difference in the size of the Chinese and the U.S. economy has been shrinking rapidly. In 2018, the Chinese GDP in nominal terms stood at $13.37 trillion, lower than the U.S. by $7.21 trillion. In 2020, the gap is expected to reduce to $7.05 trillion, and by 2023, the difference would be $5.47 trillion. In terms of GDP in PPP, China is the largest economy, with a GDP (PPP) of $25.27 trillion. By 2023, China's GDP (PPP) would be $36.99 trillion. China's huge population brings down its GDP per capita to $10,100 (seventieth position)."
The Top 20 Economies in the World
Learn which countries rank as being one of the top 20 economies in the world. The U.S has been the global leader since 1871, but China may soon change that with its amazing growth.
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MovingForward2050
Kingfisher
India Deploys Ethnic Tibetan Special Operators Against China: What Next?
Things are heating up between India and China, along their much contested border... I had no idea this special unit existed...
Things are heating up between India and China, along their much contested border... I had no idea this special unit existed...
India Deploys Ethnic Tibetan Special Operators Against China: What Next?
Events early this week point to a particularly sharp turn in the India-China crisis in eastern Ladakh.
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MovingForward2050
Kingfisher
Playing laser tag: US dominance and Chinese ambition point to new arms race"
Directed-energy weapons based on lasers can offer low cost per shot and almost limitless magazines to provide an efficient and effective means of defending against missile salvoes or swarms of unmanned systems."
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Directed-energy weapons based on lasers can offer low cost per shot and almost limitless magazines to provide an efficient and effective means of defending against missile salvoes or swarms of unmanned systems."
Playing laser tag: US dominance and Chinese ambition point to new arms race
Both sides are developing laser weapons, with the US leading the way and China having been accused of targeting American planes with military-grade laser beams.
www.scmp.com
That’s not the Liaoning, that’s the first of the type 075, a class of 40,000 ton LHDs. This ship was launched last September and is currently working on its sea trials.
The Liaoning is a ski-jump carrier so you should see a ramp on the bow, which is absent in the picture posted above
MovingForward2050
Kingfisher
TikTok ban exposes PSYOPs-led secret dance battle with China
"WASHINGTON — The announcement by President Donald Trump to ban the use of the Chinese social media app, TikTok, has revealed details of what has been up until now a secret psychological operation–led military dance war with the Communist regime."
"WASHINGTON — The announcement by President Donald Trump to ban the use of the Chinese social media app, TikTok, has revealed details of what has been up until now a secret psychological operation–led military dance war with the Communist regime."
TikTok ban exposes PSYOPs-led secret dance battle with China
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MovingForward2050
Kingfisher
Rise of Chinese AI and quantum computing threatens American military tech, says report for US Congress
"China’s technological advances in quantum computing and AI are making it a strong competitor to the military technology of the United States."
"The days of the PLA lagging well behind the US in military technology are long gone, says analyst"
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"China’s technological advances in quantum computing and AI are making it a strong competitor to the military technology of the United States."
"The days of the PLA lagging well behind the US in military technology are long gone, says analyst"
Rise of China’s AI and quantum computing threatens US military tech: report
However, China’s strength decreases the further the conflict arena is from the mainland: defence expert.
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MovingForward2050
Kingfisher
China was the leading civilization on the planet for thousands of years with many inventions and innovations, until the industrial revolution when the (non Han) Qing dynasty failed to reform and industrialize.
They are reaching near parity with the U.S. on a variety of emerging technologies. How much longer are people going to keep claiming that they've stolen everything from the U.S.?
They are the only major large world economy that's still actually growing. Of course their growth rates are going to be lower - as a country closes the per capita gap, there's less low hanging fruit. Inputs to GDP include land, labor, capitol, and they all have diminishing returns individually. No country can sustain breakneck growth for decades on end. But the trend of them surpassing the U.S. remains intact.
The U.S. has been coasting on its reserve currency status for decades that enabled it to expand its domestic welfare and military spending, financed by foreigners willing to buy up U.S. treasuries. Now that our debt has exploded even further and it's being mainly monetized by the Fed the clock is ticking on the U.S. dollar - it won't last forever, and when the transition happens expect to see a rapid rebalance of global power in favor of China.
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MovingForward2050
Kingfisher
They have certainly not stolen all their technologies from the U.S., but they have stolen a great deal, and continue to do so. This is a result of their massive espionage program, which puts the old Soviet Union to shame. And to gain entry to their massive markets, western companies are forced to reveal their intellectual properties/trade secrets. China does not play nice.
I'm waiting to hear China complain that America steals their technology! Lol When that happens, we will know that China has truly arrived. But of course their society is much more restrictive than ours, and harder to infiltrate. We are wide open by comparison.
Yes, their economic growth is slowing down, but still, some experts claim that over time, their economy could become twice or even three times the size of the United States. This would not bother me except that the Communist Party of China is a vicious tyranny reminiscent of Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. As their wealth and power grows, so will their desire to dominate and exploit the world. And yes, I am aware of the sins of America, but I suspect that over time the CCP will exceed them. And keep in mind, this regime has made countless millions butchering people to remove their internal organs and sell them. They are monsters, that is monster behavior. I hope their government will mellow over time or be overthrown, but I am not so sure we will be so lucky.
The United States definitely is it's own worst enemy, aside from any inherent economic limitations. And as Lincoln said, "a house divided against itself, cannot stand." I remember an Onion satire article about a middle eastern terrorist who came to America to blow something up, but as he became aware of all of our internal dissensions, he decided instead to just stay home in his American apartment, and eat pizza as he watched the news to witness our steady self-destruction.
I hope the American people can find renewed purpose and turn things around, for both ourselves and the world. But only time will tell...
Troller
Woodpecker
China wasn´t the leading civilization for thousand of years until the industrial revolution. Greece? Rome empire? portuguese/spanish/dutch empire? Portuguese leased Macao from China in 1557. Making a portion of China a defacto colony. Many years before industrial revolution.
China was invaded by Mongols and turned into slaves in the 13th century.
What´s all this bullshit about China? I´ve been to China. It´s a third world country. With some exceptions.
The world cup in Qatar. All the products must be made and assembled from Europe. The Emir specifically stated no Chinese products. Chinese products are renowned to be worthless. In fact I would gladly pay more to have technology made entirely in west. You end up paying more buying chinese junk. Because they break and you have to pay 2,3 times the same product. The requirements of quality in western countries are much higher than in China. Even buildings.
Chinese are a virus of cut corners. There´s no moral. Nothing. For a chinese there´s no human dignity. Only mass consumerism.
Most of China patents are fake. All innovation comes from industrial espionage. And the demand of technology transfer from Chinese government for western companies to operate in China. If China is so advanced why does the government demand the transfer of technology?
China´s wealth was based in cheap labor. But they became expensive.
Since they can´t produce shit because they have a win/lose culture. What will their model be?
And BTW my point with 911 wasn´t the lack of growth. But the total lie said by 911 saying Xijinping had accelarated China growth. Which he didn´t.
Without the help of western satanic elites China is harmless.