The new cold war with China

This is the basic template of the oligarchy which completely dominates the West today, everything you need to know about it in 8 minutes, courtesy of E. Michael Jones:


China is not with the program, neither is Putin's Russia.

That's the main reason for the budding cold war with China increasingly in the crosshairs.
This is something I'd actually like to learn more about. I don't really understand the current structure of the elites. Are they one group or numerous competing ones, for example?

Cause them destroying the USA and Europe just seems like suicide right now, if they plan to use either one to achieve some sort of globalist pipe dream with what is left afterwards as their power platform. How do they handle China or Russia in that case?
 
"Fighting" the elites who are attempting to destroy the Anglo-American political-economic system and Christian value system might be a mistake. The best we can do - and Roosh has a good video or post about this someplace - is embody those values ourselves. It will be a long battle and we'll need to make sacrifices to gain influence positions in institutions that are currently under the corrupting influence of these Marxists.

The lack of an alternative to Western liberalism drove the US-led hegemony of the last 30 years. After the fall of the USSR developing nations had no alternative to Anglo-American style liberalism. Some - but not all - of the elites in the West today are pushing the Marxist narrative at a time when alternative political projects (China style communism) are emerging elsewhere. Those of us who refuse to take the political black pill see a two-front battle now - alternatives abroad and destabilizing attempts at home.
 

Troller

Woodpecker
“Communists are a different race of people. You can see it in how they think and their overall character and nature”
 
We should shame people who use Tiktok.

Its Chinese spyware and after all the things done to the Uighurs dumbass sjw liberals still use that app. And a common reply would be "should we stop using US tech bc of US neocon interventionism". Its a legtimate moral argument but because the chinese companies are so much more tightly knit and controlled they are more like a arm of the Chinese government. Also as they become more popular and influential they'll use it to censor and spread disinformation on behalf of the chinese goverment.

Also its hypocritical for liberal americans to boycott individual states (their own countrymen for godsakes) for some dumb sjw cause (tranny bathrooms) but ignore the human rights abuses of the chinese government.
 

kazz

Kingfisher
The Prime minister has announced today that $270 billion will be spent on military upgrades, they are not saying its because of China but of course it is.

This is a pretty concerning, 2020 what a year.
 
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"Xi Jinping and the Communist Party that he leads have so badly overplayed their hand that they have, in a mere six months, accomplished what Donald Trump could not in almost four years: They have unified the world against China.

And communist leader Xi has only himself to blame.

On Wednesday, Congress unanimously voted to sanction China for its new security law that would effectively nullify Hong Kong’s legal system and put Beijing in charge. But America cannot fight China alone. And now, thanks to Xi’s aggressive policies, we won’t have to."

 
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"China’s infiltration of U.S. research facilities is both rampant and deliberate. It is directed by Beijing’s military-civil fusion (MCF) apparatus, which exploits the American, and western, tendency to separate cooperation from competition and to assume boundaries between the government and private domains. Beijing weaponizes its private sector’s integration into global free markets and civil society."

"This parasitic strategy hinges on sustained access to foreign technology. The strategy fails if the PLA loses access because developed economies implement what Beijing calls a “high-tech blockade.” But the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is gambling that the U.S. has neither the skill nor the resolve to do so."

 
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I am so tired of people saying that China spends vastly less resources on their military, than America. A closer look at them, indicates otherwise... The fact they are commissioning around 14 new warships each year, while we commission around five, should be painfully eye-opening. And as their technology improves, due to massive r & d at home, and tech stealing espionage abroad, those warships will become a much greater threat.

"Taking all these factors in consideration, when we examine the 2017 data we find that the People’s Liberation Army budget can buy the equivalent of 87 percent of the Pentagon’s budget. This explains how Beijing can afford an active force 2 million vs. United States’ 1.3 million. It is how the PLA Navy can commission about 14 ships each year, while the U.S. Navy commissions around five."

 

La Águila Negra

Kingfisher
Come up with some interesting talking points or deeper insights instead of endlessly parroting neocon/ globalist propaganda (that is riddled with blatant misinformation anyway)

China spends about 1.86 percent of its GDP on the military. That's is far less that the US' 3.4 percent

And they even produced some warships. Scary!
 
Come up with some interesting talking points or deeper insights instead of endlessly parroting neocon/ globalist propaganda (that is riddled with blatant misinformation anyway)

China spends about 1.86 percent of its GDP on the military. That's is far less that the US' 3.4 percent

And they even produced some warships. Scary!
Aren't you concerned about the rising military power of a belligerent China? I am. America is far far from perfect, but a world dominated by China would be even uglier than what we have now.

All three articles did a good job making their points. China has taken missteps which may further alliances to hold them in check. China does expertly poach American technology. And China's defense budget is actually much closer to ours, upon closer intelligent examination.

You can't trust the official 1.86 percent of China's GDP figure for their military spending, because that doesn't include R&D in their expenditure reporting. And because of military/civil fusions, which in some ways smack of their old command economy system. And due to espionage costs/benefits for stealing our advanced tech. And lastly, military salaries, which are a better marker for figuring out a large portion of their military budgets. Please read the article.

"Taking all these factors in consideration, when we examine the 2017 data we find that the People’s Liberation Army budget can buy the equivalent of 87 percent of the Pentagon’s budget. This explains how Beijing can afford an active force 2 million vs. United States’ 1.3 million. It is how the PLA Navy can commission about 14 ships each year, while the U.S. Navy commissions around five."

China has a massive *long-term* ship building plan, and over the next 10 and 20 years, they will be eventually building a much larger blue water fleet, than what the U.S. Navy possesses, unless we ourselves go into a massive naval buildup. They have more and generally larger ship building facilities, and are out-building us at roughly 3-1. As our technological advantage slips, this makes things especially troubling.

The future should be interesting, one way or another.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
Come up with some interesting talking points or deeper insights instead of endlessly parroting neocon/ globalist propaganda (that is riddled with blatant misinformation anyway)

China spends about 1.86 percent of its GDP on the military. That's is far less that the US' 3.4 percent

And they even produced some warships. Scary!
The real US military spending is over 6% of GDP, the official Pentagon figure is a wild underestimation for public consumption.


Final tally: $1.2542 trillion

So our final annual tally for war, preparations for war, and the impact of war comes to more than $1.25 trillion, more than double the Pentagon’s base budget
. If the average taxpayer were aware that this amount was being spent in the name of national defense—with much of it wasted, misguided, or simply counterproductive—it might be far harder for the national-security state to consume ever-growing sums with minimal public pushback. For now, however, the gravy train is running full speed ahead, and its main beneficiaries—Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, and their cohort—are laughing all the way to the bank
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
Aren't you concerned about the rising military power of a belligerent China? I am. America is far far from perfect, but a world dominated by China would be even uglier than what we have now.

All three articles did a good job making their points. China has taken missteps which may further alliances to hold them in check. China does expertly poach American technology. And China's defense budget is actually much closer to ours, upon closer intelligent examination.

You can't trust the official 1.86 percent of China's GDP figure for their military spending, because that doesn't include R&D in their expenditure reporting. And because of military/civil fusions, which in some ways smack of their old command economy system. And due to espionage costs/benefits for stealing our advanced tech. And lastly, military salaries, which are a better marker for figuring out a large portion of their military budgets. Please read the article.

"Taking all these factors in consideration, when we examine the 2017 data we find that the People’s Liberation Army budget can buy the equivalent of 87 percent of the Pentagon’s budget. This explains how Beijing can afford an active force 2 million vs. United States’ 1.3 million. It is how the PLA Navy can commission about 14 ships each year, while the U.S. Navy commissions around five."

China has a massive *long-term* ship building plan, and over the next 10 and 20 years, they will be eventually building a much larger blue water fleet, than what the U.S. Navy possesses, unless we ourselves go into a massive naval buildup. They have more and generally larger ship building facilities, and are out-building us at roughly 3-1. As our technological advantage slips, this makes things especially troubling.

The future should be interesting, one way or another.

China is a greater industrial power than the US today, and that gap is only going to continue to widen, because our oligarchs are more scared of their native middle classes than of China, and these oligarchs have made trillions by gutting the American industrial base over the last 40 years. So they can easily afford to spend 3% of their GDP on their military, especially given how efficient they are at it.

It's kind of weird how that allegedly communist country can get so much bang for their money, while we are stuck with a kleptocratic bureaucracy that creates $1000 hammers and $2 trillion boondoggles like the F35 lemon, which will be rendered obsolete when China develops its next generation radar system for a tiny fraction of the F35 budget.

This recent Tucker piece is the most important piece of reporting on the American economy in years, it tells the whole story in 10 minutes:


We're Paul Singer and Blackrock's bitches. I am including Canada and western Europe here, same picture, same problems., same cabal.

We've got serious internal issues that are exacerbated by deliberate sabotage from our elites. China doesn't have any of these issues, their leaders have delivered for their people, building wealth, political stability and global power and prestige. Contrary to what you hear in the MSM and right wing media, much of the world is envious at China and its dramatic economic rise to the top.

We need to clean house and focus on our internal problems. China is going to get its way in its neighborhood, sooner or later. The rest of the world will be a multipolar geopolitical arena, like it was in much of the 20th century.

 
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"It's kind of weird how that allegedly communist country can get so much bang for their money, while we are stuck with a kleptocratic bureaucracy that creates $1000 hammers and $2 trillion boondoggles like the F35 lemon, which will be rendered obsolete when China develops its next generation radar system for a tiny fraction of the F35 budget."

I have an online Russian frenemy who likes to mock me/Americans about how despite our massive military budget, we often don't get what we pay for, in terms of our military industrial complex actually regularly delivering effective weapons systems, on time and on budget. And in fact, sometimes, despite a ton of money and time spent, there is basically nothing to show for it! He said if some of the stuff that happens in America, happened in Russia, regarding billions spent with not much to show for it, Putin would have the senior corporate execs and managers beaten into submission! Lol

"We need to clean house and focus on our internal problems. China is going to get its way in its neighborhood, sooner or later. The rest of the world will be a multipolar geopolitical arena, like it was in much of the 20th century."

I totally agree.
 

Arado

Pelican
Gold Member
A lot of the issues we already hashed out in a previous thread

 
Tensions heat up in South China Sea as US makes significant show of force

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"It is the first time two US carriers have operated together in the South China Sea since 2014 and only the second time since 2001, according to Lt. Cmdr. Sean Brophy, a spokesperson aboard the Reagan."

"These efforts support enduring US commitments to stand up for the right of all nations to fly, sail, and operate wherever international law allows." a US Navy statement said."

 

Its good he mention it but I wish people would show genuine compassion towards the Uighurs plight not just throw it in to win a argument about China or liberal hypocrisy. We've been so bombarded with SJW fake social justice bs we've forgotten to really show sympathy for the genuinely oppressed. Honestly true justice would be all the BLM hysteria but for the Uighurs instead. I mean they found a shipment of fucking Uighur hair. You could say the same about Hong Kong or the Tibetans but at least the Tibetans have a voice in the Dali Lama and Hong Kong protesters are very wired and media saavy, the Uighurs have no one. I think the footballer/soccer player Mesut Ozil spoke out for them which is the only celebrity I've known to speak out for the Uighurs.
 
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