The new cold war with China

Eusebius Erasmus

Woodpecker
This is insane.

Western leaders shipped factories out of their countries to China and other Asian countries. They are using China in order to test everything before it comes here.

Which means anyone living in the west can expect at some point Digital ID's, Central Bank Digital Currencies along with a Social Credit System.

Maybe it's people desperately hoping someone will save them instead of having to do something themselves.
Precisely. The only thing that can save us is Christ. Not geopolitics.
 

El Chinito loco

Crow
Gold Member
I like how people somehow think the globalists who made China what it is today, didn't have the forethought to consider
the possibility of China going off script and rewriting the playbook. What's more likely: the globalists greatly miscalculated, which has allowed
China to become powerful enough to rival globalist entities that have had their hands in western affairs for centuries or China and the globalists are working hand in hand to help each other reach their respective goals; China becomes king of the hill and globalists spread technocracy over the entire planet?

Instead of saying globalists let’s just call them what they really are.. Jews or more specifically Jewish elites.

I suspect people shilling for China ex parte are either:

1. Chinese
2. have ties to China through marriage, business, etc.
3. are clinging to hope that China is a deterrent to the coming globohomo technocracy.

I don’t see anyone shilling for China on here but there are many of us who are skeptical of this sudden narrative shift pushed mostly by Jewish elites and even popular social media sites like twitter and reddit. There has been a tremendous and noticeable push since 2018 to heat up this narrative. Like I said before it originates from your typical neocon think tanks.

The kneejerk defense to this narrative is that anyone who is skeptical or calls out zionist neocon fuckery is accused of being a CCP agent. You also see this angle of attack deployed on reddit and twitter as well.
 

Elipe

Kingfisher


U.S. doubles down on protecting university research from China​

We could start by not hiring Chinese people into sensitive positions, but...

dat's rahcist.
 

Sherman

Ostrich
This article illustrates why getting involved in politics is 100% useless.

The faux “conservatives” are now pitching “China” as the new boogeyman that we are all suppose to be afraid of. The article never mentions that it is the internal enemy that is destroying us. Then there is the typical tough talk nonsense “conservatives want a president who is willing to break glass”. Oh, my how tough. Our false god “the president” is willing to break glass. Oh, yes I can’t wait to vote for him. (gag). What a tough guy. Ohooooo. Take your president and move along. I’m not interested.

 

Castelnau

Kingfisher

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin is saying all the right things to make China hawks happy. He told lawmakers that countering Beijing is a top priority. He tapped a well-respected Asia expert to give him advice. He even started up a task force to look at how the department can do a better job dealing with China.

But the Pentagon’s pivot away from the Middle East and toward China, something the two previous administrations tried to do with varying degrees of success, will soon face its first major test: the massive budget request the department is set to submit to Congress this spring.

Congress will ultimately determine the funding for the Pentagon's Asia buildup. Lawmakers, who have been calling for a beefed up military presence in the region to deter China, like what they see so far.

Yet at least one top lawmaker is wary of a wholesale buildup in the region.

House Armed Services Chair Adam Smith (D-Wash.), who cosponsored the new Pacific Deterrence Initiative that’s aimed at deterring China, said he's not yet sure whether Davidson's request is the right answer to the problem, or how it will be reflected in his panel’s annual defense policy bill. Smith, who has been skeptical of major defense spending increases and plans to expand the military, said he's concerned the U.S. is pursuing a strategy that aims " to build a military that is large enough to dominate" China.
 

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Chinese artificial reef Yongshu (Fiery Cross Reef) in disputed territories in the South China Sea with a difference of 6 years. The first photo is from 2014, the second from 2020. Runways, hangars for aviation equipment, radar and satellite communications stations, underground ammunition storage facilities, barracks, etc. have been built on the reef. The area on which the work was carried out was 110 thousand square meters

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Location of the base in the South China Sea

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These sand castles going up all over the a South Chinese Sea are a major game changer. Fiery Cross Reef (Island) has now been completed and so are others (or nearing completion. These islands are both in the Spratley's and the Paracel Islands.

To compete with this island alone the US would have to field several aircraft carriers. In addition to that it would have to field ships with air defences and cruise missiles. Plus amphibious landing ships.

Even then those ships wouldn´t be able to compete with all the supplies stored on this island.

From pravdareport:


"China has constructed 72 fighter jet hangars at its three airbases in the Spratlys - Fiery Cross, Mischief, and Subi Reefs - along with another 16 on Woody Island in the Paracels... China has, meanwhile, deployed YJ-12B and YJ-62 anti-ship cruise missiles to its outposts in the Spratlys and Paracels, backed by longer-range missile capabilities from the mainland. And it has invested heavily in radar and signals intelligence capabilities on all the islands, making it a safe bet that it sees just about anything moving on or above the South China Sea. A U.S. Navy vessel sailing in those waters would be well within the range of Chinese fire when hostilities broke out.
 
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911

Peacock
Gold Member
Chinese artificial reef Yongshu (Fiery Cross Reef) in disputed territories in the South China Sea with a difference of 6 years. The first photo is from 2014, the second from 2020. Runways, hangars for aviation equipment, radar and satellite communications stations, underground ammunition storage facilities, barracks, etc. have been built on the reef. The area on which the work was carried out was 110 thousand square meters

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Location of the base in the South China Sea

No worries - according to the experts, that base and all the others will be under water in 12 years due to climate change.
 

Castelnau

Kingfisher
You can tell the Biden regime is scared of looking soft on China. They kept a lot of Trump's China policies.


My guess is within the year the Biden regime is going to have a big meeting with Xi (Xi comes to DC) where they announce a big new trade deal. Basically the same deal as with Trump except the Chinese actually buy the agricultural goods this time. Biden drops all the trade restrictions on China. China adds some lip service about treating the Uighurs better and roll back some of the restrictions on Hong Kong and helping rein in North Korea, in return Biden regime promises to support the One China policy, not sell weapons to Taiwan, not criticise China's COVID coverup in the future and not boycott the Beijing Olympics.

Regime media hails this as peace of our time and how Biden neutralized the China threat, averted a new Cold War and how Biden did what Trump couldn't. They then use the recent attacks on asian-americans to neutralize all criticism of China by saying Trumpists who bash China are fueling anti-asian sentiment.
 

Hansel

Sparrow
My guess is within the year the Biden regime is going to have a big meeting with Xi (Xi comes to DC) where they announce a big new trade deal. Basically the same deal as with Trump except the Chinese actually buy the agricultural goods this time. Biden drops all the trade restrictions on China. China adds some lip service about treating the Uighurs better and roll back some of the restrictions on Hong Kong and helping rein in North Korea, in return Biden regime promises to support the One China policy, not sell weapons to Taiwan, not criticise China's COVID coverup in the future and not boycott the Beijing Olympics.
Nah, there’s no way they’ll settle for couple of empty promises from the US, and they’ll never give in on the Uighur issue. And virtually impossible Xi is coming to the US, the only place they’ll meet is online.
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Gold Member

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Chinese artificial reef Yongshu (Fiery Cross Reef) in disputed territories in the South China Sea with a difference of 6 years. The first photo is from 2014, the second from 2020. Runways, hangars for aviation equipment, radar and satellite communications stations, underground ammunition storage facilities, barracks, etc. have been built on the reef. The area on which the work was carried out was 110 thousand square meters

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Location of the base in the South China Sea

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These sand castles going up all over the a South Chinese Sea are a major game changer. Fiery Cross Reef (Island) has now been completed and so are others (or nearing completion. These islands are both in the Spratley's and the Paracel Islands.

To compete with this island alone the US would have to field several aircraft carriers. In addition to that it would have to field ships with air defences and cruise missiles. Plus amphibious landing ships.

Even then those ships wouldn´t be able to compete with all the supplies stored on this island.

From pravdareport:


"China has constructed 72 fighter jet hangars at its three airbases in the Spratlys - Fiery Cross, Mischief, and Subi Reefs - along with another 16 on Woody Island in the Paracels... China has, meanwhile, deployed YJ-12B and YJ-62 anti-ship cruise missiles to its outposts in the Spratlys and Paracels, backed by longer-range missile capabilities from the mainland. And it has invested heavily in radar and signals intelligence capabilities on all the islands, making it a safe bet that it sees just about anything moving on or above the South China Sea. A U.S. Navy vessel sailing in those waters would be well within the range of Chinese fire when hostilities broke out.
Anyone has a link how atol/reef construction works? From what I understand, these are just mounds of sand peeking out a few feet above the sea level, not actual islands like Guadalcanal. What are the foundations of all those facilities secured onto?
 

dicknixon72

Pelican
To compete with this island alone the US would have to field several aircraft carriers. In addition to that it would have to field ships with air defences and cruise missiles. Plus amphibious landing ships.

...or a few well-placed penetration bombs like Durandals.

As I've said elsewhere, China is best to focus on a strong defensive infrastructure with overlapping anti-air, anti-shipping missiles, as well as early warning and ECM blankets. Their offense capabilities are...lacking and their actual aircraft procurement is also lacking.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
Anyone has a link how atol/reef construction works? From what I understand, these are just mounds of sand peeking out a few feet above the sea level, not actual islands like Guadalcanal. What are the foundations of all those facilities secured onto?

Atols are ringed-shaped coral islands that are the leftovers from eroded volcano islands:

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Note that the US runs plenty of atols turned into naval/air bases, like Diego Garcia (a large atol island whose original inhabitants were kicked out to make room for the US base), Midway, Marshall Islands, Johnston, Palmyra Atol (last three pictured below):

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The US didn't take over the Spratleys earlier because there are much larger facilities nest door in bases like Subic Bay (Philippines). China has had no bases or permanent presence in the South China Sea beyond Hainan, their reach into the 9-dash line is because their vital sea routes for commerce and basic resources (oil etc) can be easily throttled. That's why they have been so aggressive in claiming that area.
 
...or a few well-placed penetration bombs like Durandals.

As I've said elsewhere, China is best to focus on a strong defensive infrastructure with overlapping anti-air, anti-shipping missiles, as well as early warning and ECM blankets. Their offense capabilities are...lacking and their actual aircraft procurement is also lacking.

I am not really sure what your point is. These military bases are absolute game changers and everybody knows it.

As for your suggestion to just drop a few bombs and voila problem solved, that's the type of American bravado that's about 20 years outdated.

To deliver runway cratering munitions you need a platform. It could be a cruise missile like Tomahawk or Kh-555, programmed to fly down the runway low and fast ejecting cratering submunitions as it flies. It could also be bombs or other missile types.

The thing is that most of these weapons are easily detected from a long range and can therefore be shot down before they reach the runway to do the damage. All these islands have advanced radar systems that will be supported by surveillance aircraft and maritime radars

If the platform does manage to make it through the defenses and unloads its payload it can blow deep holes in the runway. But a grader can fill those holes in fairly quickly and quick drying cement can allow fighters to take off fairly soon after being repaired. Within a day, 2 days if the damage is extensive. Rarely ever does any attack result in a runway completely destroyed, as in every square meter.
 

Castelnau

Kingfisher
Once again GOP gets the target right but completley botches the details.

Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) is questioning the National Basketball Association’s (NBA) reported new deal with Chinese state television, the latest official to raise concerns over the league’s relationship with the Chinese regime.

“Commissioner Silver cut a deal to air NBA games on the same station that regularly broadcasts Communist propaganda and forced prisoner confessions,” Blackburn told The Epoch Times in an email, referring to NBA Commissioner Adam Silver.

“Commissioner Silver needs to come clean - did he agree to censor players’ free speech to return to Chinese state-run airwaves?”

The players don't give damn about Hong Kong or anything evil the Chinese government does. The issue was never the players free speech. The players have lucrative sneaker contracts with Chinese companies like Li-Ning. When Darryl Morey, the general manager of the Houston Rockets tweeted "fight for freedom fight for Hong Kong" the black players were more outraged that Darryl Morey as a white general manager wasn't fired while they were sure they, black athletes, would've been fired for the same thing. They also complained Darryl Morey's tweet made them feel unsafe because they were all in China for a exhibition game at the time.

What they should be focusing on is their cozy relationship with the CCP, like how the NBA had academys in Xinjiang where there was rampant abuse which ESPN reported on.

American coaches at three NBA training academies in China told league officials their Chinese partners were physically abusing young players and failing to provide schooling, even though commissioner Adam Silver had said that education would be central to the program, according to multiple sources with direct knowledge of the complaints.

The NBA ran into myriad problems by opening one of the academies in Xinjiang, a police state in western China where more than a million Uighur Muslims are now held in barbed-wire camps. American coaches were frequently harassed and surveilled in Xinjiang, the sources said. One American coach was detained three times without cause; he and others were unable to obtain housing because of their status as foreigners.

One former league employee who worked in China wondered how the NBA, which has been so progressive on issues around Black Lives Matter and moved the 2017 All-Star Game out of Charlotte, North Carolina, over a law requiring transgender people to use bathrooms corresponding to the sex listed on their birth certificates, could operate a training camp amid a Chinese government crackdown that also targeted NBA employees.

"You can't have it both ways," the former employee said. "... You can't be over here in February promoting Black History Month and be over in China, where they're in reeducation camps and all the people that you're partnering with are hitting kids."


There's also the question of why America lets the NBA, which is not simply a sports league but a cultural institution that has a ton of influence and soft power globally be controlled by Chinese money.
 

dicknixon72

Pelican
If the platform does manage to make it through the defenses and unloads its payload it can blow deep holes in the runway. But a grader can fill those holes in fairly quickly and quick drying cement can allow fighters to take off fairly soon after being repaired. Within a day, 2 days if the damage is extensive. Rarely ever does any attack result in a runway completely destroyed, as in every square meter.

We're getting a bit into specifics here, but Durendals are specifically designed with a time-delayed penetration warhead to cause a secondary explosion that displaces the concrete slabs of the runway making it more than a simple fill-in-with-a-Komatsu activity to fix.
 
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