The new cold war with China
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Not all Chinese are terrible at diplomacy.
This one official managed to maintain a hundred mistresses living in the same neighbourhood.
This one official managed to maintain a hundred mistresses living in the same neighbourhood.
^This is kind of a tacit endorsement of China having been effective at cracking down on corruption - that one smooth Chinese operator who got busted stated that he couldn't touch any of the $100 million cash he had stashed for fear of getting caught, which tells you that their officials are under tight scrutiny and have to meticulously cover their tracks.
Contrast with Chelsea Clinton's $3 million wedding, or the Bidens' tens of millions accumulated in Ukraine, Balkans and China deals, which they don't even bother covering up, because the MSM gives them all the cover they need.
Macron's career was launched when he got picked up by a creepy older male lover from the French socialist deep state, who bought him a Paris apartment. No questions asked by the media...
Macron's main opponent, Francois Fillon, a fairly conservative practicing Catholic with 5 kids who was the overwhelming favorite at the last presidential election was pilloried and sunk by the media smearing him as corrupt for accepting a free watch, a couple of suits and having his wife on his secretarial payroll (a common practice in French circles).
Contrast with Chelsea Clinton's $3 million wedding, or the Bidens' tens of millions accumulated in Ukraine, Balkans and China deals, which they don't even bother covering up, because the MSM gives them all the cover they need.
Macron's career was launched when he got picked up by a creepy older male lover from the French socialist deep state, who bought him a Paris apartment. No questions asked by the media...
Macron's main opponent, Francois Fillon, a fairly conservative practicing Catholic with 5 kids who was the overwhelming favorite at the last presidential election was pilloried and sunk by the media smearing him as corrupt for accepting a free watch, a couple of suits and having his wife on his secretarial payroll (a common practice in French circles).
La Águila Negra
Pelican
“Wipe Out China!” US-funded Uyghur Activists Train as Gun-toting Foot Soldiers for Empire - Global Research
Cultivated by the US government as human rights activists, Uyghur American Association leaders partner with far-right lawmakers and operate a militia-style gun club that trains with ex-US special forces.
www.globalresearch.ca
US Deep State operatives now train Uyghur militants on US soil and use them as Antifa-like knuckleheads to beat up political opponents/ browbeat (Chinese) Asian Americans.
So for everyone who says that anti-China sentiment is a psy-op, the wokesters and globohomo corporations are right and commentators like Tucker, Bannon, and Mike Huckabee are wrong? If China is so great then why are all our corporations in bed with them while pushing SJW at home?
That would be a huge upgrade for Mike, who's been identifying as a staunch zionist for most of his political career. Although he's wrong about the financial privileges of identifying as a Chinese as opposed to a dedicated shabbos goy, it will have a negative impact on his personal finances.
Bannon was paid over 7 figures by Falun Gong Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui, that's why he has that whiny "take down the CCP" autotune theme song playing every 10 min in his stream. I still like him overall, but he's not credible on China (in addition to his other blind spot as a zionist).
Corporate America is a mixed bag, big tech is heavily anti-China by and large, especially companies like Facebook or Twitter than have been shut out from their market, they heavily censor Uyghur "genocide deniers". Consumer product brands are a mixed bag wrt China, their market is too big for them to ignore.
Bannon was paid over 7 figures by Falun Gong Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui, that's why he has that whiny "take down the CCP" autotune theme song playing every 10 min in his stream. I still like him overall, but he's not credible on China (in addition to his other blind spot as a zionist).
Corporate America is a mixed bag, big tech is heavily anti-China by and large, especially companies like Facebook or Twitter than have been shut out from their market, they heavily censor Uyghur "genocide deniers". Consumer product brands are a mixed bag wrt China, their market is too big for them to ignore.
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“Wipe Out China!” US-funded Uyghur Activists Train as Gun-toting Foot Soldiers for Empire - Global Research
Cultivated by the US government as human rights activists, Uyghur American Association leaders partner with far-right lawmakers and operate a militia-style gun club that trains with ex-US special forces.
US Deep State operatives now train Uyghur militants on US soil and use them as Antifa-like knuckleheads to beat up political opponents/ browbeat (Chinese) Asian Americans.
Probably smart to be wary of any pro-CCP article loaded with SJW buzzwords.
The anti-China ranks aren't the exclusive domain of ConInc, we're seeing a merger of anti-China right wing establishment with the staunchly anti-Russian leftist establishment, with the "oppressed minority"/muh genocide narrative being rolled out. This really is a Uniparty operation.
The big push to vilify Russia in conservative Christian circles that we're seeing now is part of this effort.
At some point I expect a large fraction of conservatives to fall for this, especially if military hostilities break out. The conditioning is just too strong.
The big push to vilify Russia in conservative Christian circles that we're seeing now is part of this effort.
At some point I expect a large fraction of conservatives to fall for this, especially if military hostilities break out. The conditioning is just too strong.
La Águila Negra
Pelican
Over 'Human Rights Violations' no less.
That would be a huge upgrade for Mike, who's been identifying as a staunch zionist for most of his political career. Although he's wrong about the financial privileges of identifying as a Chinese as opposed to a dedicated shabbos goy, it will have a negative impact on his personal finances.
Bannon was paid over 7 figures by Falun Gong Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui, that's why he has that whiny "take down the CCP" autotune theme song playing every 10 min in his stream. I still like him overall, but he's not credible on China (in addition to his other blind spot as a zionist).
Corporate America is a mixed bag, big tech is heavily anti-China by and large, especially companies like Facebook or Twitter than have been shut out from their market, they heavily censor Uyghur "genocide deniers". Consumer product brands are a mixed bag wrt China, their market is too big for them to ignore.
I have a hard time believing that Nike, Walmart, Amazon, NBA and others making money off the China market are really on the opposite side of big tech, which has been helping them push their SJW messaging. If not Mike Huckabee and Steve Bannon, what about Tucker Carlson and Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz? I know they all have establishment baggage to varying degrees, but they've all been very anti China and not hesitating to call them out, in contrast to the lack of criticism of China we hear from U.S. companies, including big tech. Israel and China also have strong ties in the tech sector as well.
Contrast this with the non-stop SJW rhetoric complaining that any criticism of China will encourage violence against Asian-Americans. My default these days is still to distrust the SJWs more than conservatives.
As mentioned countless times on this thread we have to stop trying to fit China's rise into the ideological disagreements that are taking place in the West. It's the first time a non-Western power is vying for superpower status in hundreds of years and both SJWs and nationalists don't know how to confront it.
The SJWs are probably happy to see white people taken down a peg and leverage anti-China rhetoric to blame whites for black on asian violence, but deep down they probably know that the Chinese are far more ethnonationalist than the average Republican.
Some nationalists think that whites are the source of all civilization and asians can't innovate so there's nothing to worry about. Others think that it's unnecessary to sacrifice red blooded Americans to protect the south China sea or Taiwan, but then others acknowledge that a Han China dominated world probably won't be better for White Christians.
Maybe it is better than the social engineering in the West, but then that requires admitting that one's view on China is driven more by a dislike of one's own government than a particular affinity for Xi and his vision.
wannable alpha
Woodpecker
Boycotting the 2022 Beijing Olympics would be a major insult to China and be the official start of the new Cold War. Historians in the future would mark the date as important as the X telegram or the Berlin Blockade.
Easy_C
Peacock
Thats what people should be. A lot of it seems to be “US government and Jews are bad therefore China is good”.
ralfy
Robin
The U.S. is owned by the rich, which funds both political parties, the government, the military, businesses (from the defense industry to consumer products to banks to media), and consumers, and in order to remain in power it has to make sure that the world remains dependent on the dollar for a reserve currency. That's why it spends heavily on the military which, with foreign policy, is used to coerce or threaten other countries.
That's why the same U.S. media, which is owned by the same rich, is acting like a cheerleader, egging on a "new cold war with China," because that's the only way to justify all of that military spending and promote American exceoptionalism. That's the same thing they did to support attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan, and then covered up what happened in Benghazi and the origins of ISIS. And in place of people like Trump who favor peace and trade deals, they need warmongers like Biden.
That's why the same U.S. media, which is owned by the same rich, is acting like a cheerleader, egging on a "new cold war with China," because that's the only way to justify all of that military spending and promote American exceoptionalism. That's the same thing they did to support attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan, and then covered up what happened in Benghazi and the origins of ISIS. And in place of people like Trump who favor peace and trade deals, they need warmongers like Biden.
AntoniusofEfa
Kingfisher
Nothing new here. Creating a conflict, loaning money, and supplying weapons to both sides is a normal tactic. For some reason, the majority of the population has still not caught on.
Moderate Uyghur activists out for a drive in Beijing 8 years ago, about the same period when similar acts were taking place in Paris, Nice or Munich dominated the international headlines:
There were several other jihadi terror attacks in China, including one where two drivers rampaged through a mostly Han Chinese busy farmers market in Urimqi (Xinjiang), killing 31 persons, and another attack in central China where Uyghur activists wielding swords killed another 31 people in a busy train station:
Contrast with the western media coverage of this event, which is weirdly apologetic of the Moderate Sunday drivers, blames the Chinese for jihadi savagery, and is weirdly using what they would be quick to characterize as conspiracy theory arguments questioning whether that event was a false flag organized by China, also claiming that terror against the population was justified due to those poor muslims' grievences:
Beijing was shocked Monday when an SUV slammed into a crowd of tourists in front of the Forbidden City, killing two tourists and injuring 40 bystanders. The incident is remarkable because it happened in front of one of Beijing’s most famous tourist sites, a heavily guarded area which is just a few blocks west of Zhongnanhai, the headquarters of China’s Communist Party.
Chinese police have called the incident a violent terrorist attack, and they put the blame on Uyghurs, a Turkic-speaking Muslim group from Xinjiang, in China’s northwest, who have chafed under Chinese rule.
As usual with such incidents, the official statements have raised more questions than they have answered, and the handling of this threatens to further exasperate tensions in China. It has also undermined the credibility of the Chinese government.
Critics questioned the terrorist claim, arguing that there was little hard evidence and that Beijing has long exaggerated the threat of terrorism among Uyghurs in an attempt to demonize them and justify the government’s harsh rule of Xinjiang.
...Critics also questioned the limited information provided by the police. For one, the incident did not have the markings of a sophisticated “carefully planned, organized and premeditated” terrorist act, as police have stated.
Police report that the driver, and his wife and mother were killed when the car burst into flames. Why would he have involved his wife and mother in an attack that only required one person to carry out? There have been rumors that the car was being chased by police before it crashed into the crowd on a busy sidewalk. But police have refused to confirm or deny this news.
Furthermore, why would a terrorist use a car with Xinjiang license plates? The capital of Xinjiang is some 1,500 miles away from Beijing and the car would have had to pass numerous checkpoints on its way to the Chinese capital. And once in Beijing, it would have attracted attention.
The car did kill two tourists and injure 40 bystanders, but if this was a sophisticated terrorist act, one would expect a much more effective car bomb and far greater damage.
Alim Seytoff, a spokesman for the World Uyghur Congress, said that the Chinese claim cannot be accepted without an independent and international investigation.
“It looks to me more a tragic traffic accident or self-immolation of Uyghur petitioners in the most dramatic manner,” he said.
Ilham Tohti, an ethnic Uighur economist, told Reuters this week that Uyghurs have been forced to take extreme measures as a result of China’s harsh policies. "The use of violent means happens because all other outlets for expression are gone. Uighurs do not have any representation, they have no means of self-expression," he said.
The Chinese government has long been in denial about the cause of unrest in minority areas such as Xinjiang, Tibet and Inner Mongolia, arguing that self-immolations or violence are the work of separatists, who it argues are supported by overseas backers. At a news conference in Beijing in 2009 shortly after trouble broke out in Urumqi, a spokesman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs told a group of foreign journalists that trouble in Tibet and Xinjiang was the work of outside forces.
I raised my hand and asked if he had any evidence to support his claim. He replied yes and promised that the government would soon make this public. More than four years later, I’m still waiting. In fact, the government rarely offers any proof to back up it’s claims about alleged violence in Xinjiang or Tibet.
The government never appears to do any soul searching regarding the reasons for dissatisfaction in these areas, nor does it ever accept responsibility—it always puts the blame elsewhere. It’s sole policy has been to smash all signs of opposition. Frustration is rising sharply and will seriously threaten the stability of China sooner or later unless the government takes a realistic look at the underlying causes.
Unfortunately, there are no signs that the government sees any need to do this, as long as it feels repression is sufficient to deal with the problem. Expect to see the situation worsen significantly before it gets better. There were several other similar attacks in Xinjiang and China.
www.forbes.com
There were several other jihadi terror attacks in China, including one where two drivers rampaged through a mostly Han Chinese busy farmers market in Urimqi (Xinjiang), killing 31 persons, and another attack in central China where Uyghur activists wielding swords killed another 31 people in a busy train station:
Urumqi attack kills 31 in China's Xinjiang region
Attackers in China's restive Xinjiang region have crashed two cars into shoppers at a market, killing 31 people, Chinese media reports say.
www.bbc.com
Contrast with the western media coverage of this event, which is weirdly apologetic of the Moderate Sunday drivers, blames the Chinese for jihadi savagery, and is weirdly using what they would be quick to characterize as conspiracy theory arguments questioning whether that event was a false flag organized by China, also claiming that terror against the population was justified due to those poor muslims' grievences:
Beijing was shocked Monday when an SUV slammed into a crowd of tourists in front of the Forbidden City, killing two tourists and injuring 40 bystanders. The incident is remarkable because it happened in front of one of Beijing’s most famous tourist sites, a heavily guarded area which is just a few blocks west of Zhongnanhai, the headquarters of China’s Communist Party.
Chinese police have called the incident a violent terrorist attack, and they put the blame on Uyghurs, a Turkic-speaking Muslim group from Xinjiang, in China’s northwest, who have chafed under Chinese rule.
As usual with such incidents, the official statements have raised more questions than they have answered, and the handling of this threatens to further exasperate tensions in China. It has also undermined the credibility of the Chinese government.
Critics questioned the terrorist claim, arguing that there was little hard evidence and that Beijing has long exaggerated the threat of terrorism among Uyghurs in an attempt to demonize them and justify the government’s harsh rule of Xinjiang.
...Critics also questioned the limited information provided by the police. For one, the incident did not have the markings of a sophisticated “carefully planned, organized and premeditated” terrorist act, as police have stated.
Police report that the driver, and his wife and mother were killed when the car burst into flames. Why would he have involved his wife and mother in an attack that only required one person to carry out? There have been rumors that the car was being chased by police before it crashed into the crowd on a busy sidewalk. But police have refused to confirm or deny this news.
Furthermore, why would a terrorist use a car with Xinjiang license plates? The capital of Xinjiang is some 1,500 miles away from Beijing and the car would have had to pass numerous checkpoints on its way to the Chinese capital. And once in Beijing, it would have attracted attention.
The car did kill two tourists and injure 40 bystanders, but if this was a sophisticated terrorist act, one would expect a much more effective car bomb and far greater damage.
Alim Seytoff, a spokesman for the World Uyghur Congress, said that the Chinese claim cannot be accepted without an independent and international investigation.
“It looks to me more a tragic traffic accident or self-immolation of Uyghur petitioners in the most dramatic manner,” he said.
Ilham Tohti, an ethnic Uighur economist, told Reuters this week that Uyghurs have been forced to take extreme measures as a result of China’s harsh policies. "The use of violent means happens because all other outlets for expression are gone. Uighurs do not have any representation, they have no means of self-expression," he said.
The Chinese government has long been in denial about the cause of unrest in minority areas such as Xinjiang, Tibet and Inner Mongolia, arguing that self-immolations or violence are the work of separatists, who it argues are supported by overseas backers. At a news conference in Beijing in 2009 shortly after trouble broke out in Urumqi, a spokesman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs told a group of foreign journalists that trouble in Tibet and Xinjiang was the work of outside forces.
I raised my hand and asked if he had any evidence to support his claim. He replied yes and promised that the government would soon make this public. More than four years later, I’m still waiting. In fact, the government rarely offers any proof to back up it’s claims about alleged violence in Xinjiang or Tibet.
The government never appears to do any soul searching regarding the reasons for dissatisfaction in these areas, nor does it ever accept responsibility—it always puts the blame elsewhere. It’s sole policy has been to smash all signs of opposition. Frustration is rising sharply and will seriously threaten the stability of China sooner or later unless the government takes a realistic look at the underlying causes.
Unfortunately, there are no signs that the government sees any need to do this, as long as it feels repression is sufficient to deal with the problem. Expect to see the situation worsen significantly before it gets better. There were several other similar attacks in Xinjiang and China.
The Tiananmen Square Car Crash: Terrorism Or Accident?
A man takes a photo at Tiananmen Square in Beijing. Police are searching for eight suspects from the restive Xinjiang region after a fatal car crash in Tiananmen Square as a minority rights group expressed fears of a crackdown. (Image credit: AFP/Getty Images via @daylife) Beijing was shocked...
www.forbes.com
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Super-cuck Peter Thiel dishes out some truly world-class scaremongering:
www.rt.com
Apparently the Bitcoin is now an eeeeevil Chinese plot!
Bitcoin is a ‘Chinese financial weapon’ that threatens the US dollar – billionaire Peter Thiel
Bitcoin is a ‘Chinese financial weapon’ that threatens the US dollar – billionaire Peter Thiel
Apparently the Bitcoin is now an eeeeevil Chinese plot!
AntoniusofEfa
Kingfisher
The Chinese gov would crackdown on non gov issued crypto, as it allows for a way to launder money. I cannot be a Chinese Plot.
Maybe OP could change the title to "The coming new war with China". The Taiwanese border situation does not look good. Few people in the west know just how much western capital is invested and reliant upon TSMC. I have recently discovered that TSMC is even a subcontractor making chips for DoD contractors.
hothardware.com
Maybe OP could change the title to "The coming new war with China". The Taiwanese border situation does not look good. Few people in the west know just how much western capital is invested and reliant upon TSMC. I have recently discovered that TSMC is even a subcontractor making chips for DoD contractors.
TSMC Under U.S. Pressure As Chip Supplier For Lockheed F-35 Lightning II: Report
Washington has pressured TSMC to produce the chips that are used in the U.S. military hardware inside the United States.