The new cold war with China

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I don't believe the Deep State narrative on the Uyghur question. Yes, there are camps where subversive elements (ie. bearded guys that dream of establishing a caliphate and murdering/subduing the unbelievers) are held. No, it's not nearly on the scale the propaganda wants you to believe. I also don't believe that people are being held simply for being Uyghur or Muslim in general. The fog of war surrounding it leaves a lot up for speculation though

There is an insane amount of propaganda being pushed. The Uyghur question has been weaponised to stir up civil unrest in China, be it religious or nationalistic in nature. It directly undermines China's 56 nations one country policy. It also serves to whip up anti-Chinese fervor abroad and at home in the US.

The US policy in Xinjiang stands in a long tradition of green-on-red policy (weaponizing Islamists versus communists). They did it in Afghanistan, Chechnya, Bosnia and until a couple of years ago in Syria too.

The best example is US subversion in Central Asia. When Gorbatsjov launched glasnost and perestroika the Deep State reacted immediately by fueling nationalist and radical Islamic ideologies. The Sovjets, like the Chinese, had achieved a remarkable level of ethnogenesis. Based on stalinist principles they had erased previous identities and established the Soviet identity

My former Iranian professor once told me a story about an encounter with a group of Central Asian students. He'd ask for their nationality. 'Soviet', they said. He said, 'yes but where are you are you from?'. 'We are from the Soviet Union' they answered. 'Yes, but I mean, what's your nationality, your race? ', he asked again. 'WE ARE SOVJETS! ' was their final answer

The erasing of cultural identities and languages, and the adjusting of the Islamic (and Christian) religion to bring them in line with Socialist Principles, is the Party's goal

The Deep State is trying to prohibit that by fomenting internal unrest and spreading foreign and anti-communist ideologies. They want to divide China, make it burn from within.

I am not sure whether their plan is working. Uyghurs in general are a rogue element in Chinese society. Most of them operate kebab and flatbread stalls, and many of them will overcharge you when they have the chance. In Shanghai nightclubs you can find them outside dealing drugs. In the upscale Shanghai district Xintiandi they operate pickpocketing rings. The local Han Chinese are scared of them. The police turns a blind eye because they don't want to disturb societal harmony. If they do get caught they are out the same day.

Sometimes it boils over. You won't read about it in the news, of course. Rural locals in Henan, Shaanxi or Anhui don't put up with that kind of behavior. Mob killings still happen. If it happens though the script is usually flipped a couple of days later in the Uyghur majority areas in the Tarim Basin. Tit for tat, these Uyghurs still have a very tribal mindset

Funny addition: if you are a White person with dark eyes and hair, like myself, some Chinese will assume that you are Uyghur. The Tocharian element in their DNA gives can give some of them a very European look. A blue/grey eyed Uyghur with lightbrown hair is rare, but they do exist

As for the infusion of radical Islamic thought by Islamic preachers through Deep State channels, I think it is having some success. A couple of months before the Covid19 scamdemic started I travelled to Xian, Lanzhou and Xining. Granted, that is Hui Muslim heartland but the amount of visible Muslims, and their mannerism and dresscode pointed to many adhering to the Salafist strain. The many mosques (usually founded between 1995 and 2015, China doesn't allow that anymore) tell a similar story. Arabic design, and built with money from the Gulf region
And this my friends, is why I read RooshVForum. Once again, the real news is found buried in the depths of “forbidden” forums. My local lefty paper is doing some hard hitting reporting on a “racist” restaurant, and CNN is probably asking Biden what his favorite menu item is at McDonalds.

With that said, that is some deep insight into a country that isn’t easy to crack as a foreigner.
 

SpyofMoses

Sparrow

This one was on my Google feed. I try not to click those links, but this caught my attention. Makes me wonder if the Chinese are intentionally letting things like this reach western news media to promote the idea that China really does do more for it's own people than the US government does for it's own people.

(I'm at a point where I don't know what to think of this stuff anymore.)
 

Jamal D

Robin

This one was on my Google feed. I try not to click those links, but this caught my attention. Makes me wonder if the Chinese are intentionally letting things like this reach western news media to promote the idea that China really does do more for it's own people than the US government does for it's own people.

(I'm at a point where I don't know what to think of this stuff anymore.)
I was just gonna post about this because that is the hunch I have had myself for some time, but add to this Putin who recently came out to say that they would never mandate mumbo jumbo injections, hell even North Korea rejected "vaccines". Meanwhile in the US, Europe and Australia peoples freedom are taken away step by step, and the cultural/sociological degeneracy reach new levels every year. Now China will limit game time for kids, end the one-child policy (I expect with economic benefits per kid) limit social influencers and effeminate men on TV to name a few. Pretty much perfectly aligned with the America First Movements who want to go back to more traditional values to.

It looks more and more like they are trying to trigger revolutions, especially in the US but also to break the NATO alliance. It is almost like I have seen this playbook before (CIA)

If Trump was in power today he could collapse Chinas economy with the pen stroke, but at this rate of dismantling of the US, the retaliation power economically, militarily and geo-politically would be much more limited at best.

Obviously added bonus is Biden "genociding" his own people in a revolution with F-15s and nuclear weapons (as he suggested this year) and totally cripple the American people. The way Biden treated his own people in Afghanistan I hold all options open at the moment. They simply don`t care.

What ever you say about the Chinese, and the Russians....they are playing a different level of chess than the rest.
 

Samseau

Owl
Orthodox
Gold Member
This is probably related to the above:

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This is a ridiculous law and will backfire huge :laugh:

Now kids will grow up hating their country, and as soon as they reach age of adulthood they will non-stop binge on games for decades to make up for lost time as a child.

It is a well observed phenomena over hundreds and hundreds of years, that if you don't let children be children when they are children, they will never outgrow being a child and end up being an overgrown child.

For example, in our "developed" countries, where children are forced through a horrible education system, as soon as people hit college they go nuts with games, food, drugs, and whatever casual sex they can get, to make up for years of repression and no fun. Limiting childhood games will only make this worse.

Nothing about the modern education system is good or healthy. Our countries survive in spite of how many damaged people it produces.
 
Major things are happening in China this summer.

* Banning of effeminate 'sissy men' from the public sphere
* Terminating the 996 corporate culture + the decreasing the insane study burden of young people (they have basically decapitated the ESL sector in the country)
* China has outlawed the sale of any foreign textbooks, both in (extracurricular) schools and for private individuals
* New 'anti-corruption' moves against business tycoons, moguls and other influential people
* New legislation aimed at stopping Korean-esque 'idol worship'
* New legislation aimed at combating unwanted social developments like porn consumption and gaming

China was already on this path but it seems that they are now accelerating. There are several explanations floating around the why-question, I won't go into that part


CIA tool serpentza has a new video on a new official document published in XinHua/ People's Daily, two official Chinese media outlets. His shilling is annoying but for the sake of the content and his thought process I advise everybody interested to watch the video

From the CCP approved/designed document:

China is currently facing a severe and complicated international environment. The United States is implementing increasingly severe military threats, economic and technological blockades, financial strikes, political and diplomatic sieges against China and is launching biological warfare, cyber warfare and public opinion warfare against China.

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..have increasingly launched a color revolution in China through their fifth column. If at time we have to rely on those big capitalists as the main force of anti-imperialism and anti-hegemonism and are still catering to the American strategy so that our young generation loses their strong and masculine vibes, then we don't need enemies to fight- we have already fallen. Just like the Soviet Union back then. Letting the country collapse. Letting the country's wealth be looted and letting the people fall into serious disaster.

Therefore the profound changes currently taking place in China are precisely in response to the current severe and complicated international situation. Precisely in response to the barbaric and ferocious attacks that the United States has begun to launch against China.

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As an interesting sidenote, yesterday The Duran had Coach Red Pill on and he was making a similar argument (that we are heading towards a clash). London Paul, another analyst that I follow said something similar and argues that China is trying to get all the skeletons out of the closet in order to be ready for this conflict.
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
The more hardcore faction in China wants a limited skirmish against US forces in and around Taiwan, which they think they will win, and would translate into the end of the American empire.

Coach Red Pill's argument that the timing would be after the upcoming chinese winter olympics, because they feel that the US leadership is currently in disarray and that the American social scene is fractured and divided, while their country is united. I think the risk of that conflict flaring up goes up significantly if the US and its NATO/5 Eyes partners keep ratcheting up the anti-China measures and rhetoric, but would go down if there is more of a return to normality, or if a significant part of the anti-China coalition goes neutral (like say Germany, Italy or Australia).
 

911

Peacock
Gold Member
This is a ridiculous law and will backfire huge :laugh:

Now kids will grow up hating their country, and as soon as they reach age of adulthood they will non-stop binge on games for decades to make up for lost time as a child.

It is a well observed phenomena over hundreds and hundreds of years, that if you don't let children be children when they are children, they will never outgrow being a child and end up being an overgrown child.

For example, in our "developed" countries, where children are forced through a horrible education system, as soon as people hit college they go nuts with games, food, drugs, and whatever casual sex they can get, to make up for years of repression and no fun. Limiting childhood games will only make this worse.

Nothing about the modern education system is good or healthy. Our countries survive in spite of how many damaged people it produces.

Videogames, like porn, rewire the brains of young players. They are highly addictive and will result in changed behavior and disruptive mental capacity. From my own experience with some of my nephews, they lose interest in reading and playing outdoors, the kind of healthy activities that are part of a good upbringing.

As far as kids going nuts after reaching adulthood, at that stage while they are still immature they are grounded enough to make the right decisions for their future, especially if they have a solid family behind them and a decent upbringing. That's why for example the Amish let their young men run wild in the outside world after a rigid chidhood, the great majority of them go back into the fold of their more virtuous and secluded cultural fold.
 

Hansel

Robin
This is a ridiculous law and will backfire huge :laugh:

Now kids will grow up hating their country, and as soon as they reach age of adulthood they will non-stop binge on games for decades to make up for lost time as a child.

It is a well observed phenomena over hundreds and hundreds of years, that if you don't let children be children when they are children, they will never outgrow being a child and end up being an overgrown child.

For example, in our "developed" countries, where children are forced through a horrible education system, as soon as people hit college they go nuts with games, food, drugs, and whatever casual sex they can get, to make up for years of repression and no fun. Limiting childhood games will only make this worse.

Nothing about the modern education system is good or healthy. Our countries survive in spite of how many damaged people it produces.
Someone didn’t let you play your football and basketball when you were small?
 

Transsimian

Ostrich
Gold Member
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This one was on my Google feed. I try not to click those links, but this caught my attention. Makes me wonder if the Chinese are intentionally letting things like this reach western news media to promote the idea that China really does do more for it's own people than the US government does for it's own people.

(I'm at a point where I don't know what to think of this stuff anymore.)
Seems there’s nobody significant in the West who has been following China or the CCP for a decent amount of time.

Back in the 80’s/90’s the CCP came up with its great plan for the ‘environment’ : its Green Wall.
It was going to re-forest the wilderness edges of China and do its bit to re-oxygenate the planet or at least China.

This is from the country that has Mao on its banknotes. Mao who believed in the theories of Lysenkoism.
The CCP, the party of Mao, produced probably the worst famine in human history between the late 50s and early 60s where at least 30 and up to 60 million people starved to death.
Famine by centralised executive fiat.

China is full of Centralised State diktats that sound lovely but make no sense in practical terms.

They don’t do anything (at their most benign) and then after its realised they’re not achieving anything they are quickly ignored and forgotten about.

Trump’s “keeping an eye on things” and Biden’s “resounding success in Afghanistan”, the meme-dog drinking tap water in a burning building, Jen Psaki, all of these have nothing on the CCP for denying the reality on the ground and then memory holing their failures later.

The successful novel by Jiang Roang “The Wolf Flag” appealed to its Chinese readership for many reasons but one was its implication that central CCP diktats were catastrophic for the people on the edges of China.

Everybody likes to talk about Mike Tyson and having plans, having a plan until one is punched in the mouth.
Domestically, the CCP has never been punched in the mouth.
So it goes along bluffing its way out of any policy failure and who can afford to differ?
What difference does all the wasted effort make?

To all intents and purposes. None.

Can I remind everybody of China’s (((Climate Change))) promise?

Carbon Neutral by 2060 ..

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/23/world/asia/china-climate-change.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...carbon-neutral-goal-raises-questions-kg6d82y2

The question with their carbon-neutral claims is .. how? Just.. how?

Oh. Well you see they’re going to increase their carbon emissions until 2030, but thereafter they will definitely decrease them, fingers crossed.
Outside of bought and paid for CCP propaganda on the internet: How are they actually going to do that?

So far they’ve taken the cheapest form of development with the highest environmental cost. Pumping raw sewage and industrial poison into rivers such that often their rivers struggle to reach the sea.

Their real solution? China is sitting on the tap. China is the only country in Asia that is currently diverting waters from the Tibetan Plateau to its far away, thirsty, water-insecure cities.

Thats how the CCP really operates.
Talk idealistic baloney, rely on people internationally to re-tweet, share, enthuse over their spin and propaganda - then, when the opportunity arises, take the most brutal and short term approach to fixing their problems.

Tucker says, “Can they actually stop the youth from worshipping these online celebrities? ..Probably not.”

"But its a start!" I hear everyone cry.
"Isn’t it?" China Really Is setting the lead in world affairs …

These kids are using their parents phones and internet connections for internet use and gaming purposes. Even if China does go to the symbolic length of getting tough there’ll be an immediate work around.

Tell Chinese parents to take their own phones away from the gaze of their screen-addicted toddlers when its their go-to parenting solution in pretty much all situations? Won’t happen.

No government in the world is seriously concerned about screen addiction or the social media that gives it its control grid.
I’d argue that China is THE the most smart-phone addicted nation in the world which the CCP largely enables.

That much vaunted Green Wall?

Well the actuality was that back when Manchuria was actually Manchu and no Han were allowed to live there it was well forested.
Today there is no forest left. Inside 100 years.

Cue insincere “we’re going to build a green wall!”

Today? There are hundreds of thousands of stunted, dried up dead trees on the margins of China, the only remnant of CCP grandstanding.

Carbon neutral by 2060? Read crushing Taiwan well before 2060 and telling rest of the world to get lost. "What climate goals? Sorry, can't hear you.."

Somehow limiting it youth's internet use and making sure that its young aren’t screen addicted? Empty words.

They can’t/won’t do it and the CCP are happy with that screen time just as much as anyone else.
 

SpyofMoses

Sparrow
The more hardcore faction in China wants a limited skirmish against US forces in and around Taiwan, which they think they will win, and would translate into the end of the American empire.

Coach Red Pill's argument that the timing would be after the upcoming chinese winter olympics, because they feel that the US leadership is currently in disarray and that the American social scene is fractured and divided, while their country is united. I think the risk of that conflict flaring up goes up significantly if the US and its NATO/5 Eyes partners keep ratcheting up the anti-China measures and rhetoric, but would go down if there is more of a return to normality, or if a significant part of the anti-China coalition goes neutral (like say Germany, Italy or Australia).
If China starts skirmishes against the USA, I'm not sure who I'd root for anymore. It's hard to imagine much good coming out of it for either side. I don't even know who else in the world would side with who.

I used to see China as a "worthy rival" of the USA(for lack of better words). I thought they'd either go more capitalist with time or just collapse like the USSR. That was before everybody had a smartphone. Now I'm not so sure.
 

dicknixon72

Pelican
Despite much bemoaning about the state of certain aspects of the US military and the self-proclaimed advancement of the Chinese military, I do not see a clear, quick Chinese victory in such a flare-up.

Taiwanese defenses benefit from 60 years of entrenchment and build-up along with naturally-mountainous terrain offering natural fortification. along with gun emplacements on offshore islands along with an easily-laid and dense minefield. Chinese naval forces do not have the amphibious capability to land en masse the amount of land forces necessary to overwhelm the 2M standing Taiwanese army, which also has the benefit of advanced Western training and technology.

PRC forces could bomb and fire missiles to take out Taiwanese facilities but why? It would only kill thousands of fellow Han Chinese and agitate he populace for no real reason.

Taiwan is China's largest regional trading partner and its citizens routinely travel to China as tourists. Taiwan doesn't pose any sort of threat to China as it exists and is largely not desperate for reunification or a complete split; judging by relatives on my mother's side, most are fine with the status quo and go about their lives.

The whole CHINA IS SO GONNA INVADE TAIWAN AND THATS WHY WE NEED TO GIVES RAYTHEON LIKE $8BILLION MORE XEROX DOLLARS INSTEAD OF FIXING F**KED UP ROADS AND GIVING PEOPLE NO CHARGE DOCTORS VISITS!!!!111 is just another deep state MIC trope being shoved down our throats by the monoparty in charge. And while I'm sure there are some jingoistic hardcore Mao-suckers in the party in Beijing that get a hard-on imagining the Chinese flag flying over Taipai - unlike here - they are few and are decisively overruled.

So, again, China isn't going to militarily invade Taiwan because if it did, it would lose and look foolish and even if they won, what's the point?
 
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If China would like to immobilize the western economy for about 3 to five years, they just need to take over the TSMC fabs and stop the export of high end 3 and 5 nm chips. That means no more iPhones, no more graphics cards, no more cutting edge electronics for new military hardware, and a major stock market crash.

Just look what happened after the power outage in Texas (where a big chunk of the world's automotive and industrial electronics are made). Once the power goes out, it takes about a month to recalibrate the equipment, and to restart production.


There was also an interesting event happening with the largest chip IP seller, ARM:

It's a rather complicated situation. Basically, the china business of ARM (a company whose product is the IP) has gone rogue. It's the tech heist of the century, and it's worth a read.
 

Foolsgo1d

Peacock
The more hardcore faction in China wants a limited skirmish against US forces in and around Taiwan, which they think they will win, and would translate into the end of the American empire.

Coach Red Pill's argument that the timing would be after the upcoming chinese winter olympics, because they feel that the US leadership is currently in disarray and that the American social scene is fractured and divided, while their country is united. I think the risk of that conflict flaring up goes up significantly if the US and its NATO/5 Eyes partners keep ratcheting up the anti-China measures and rhetoric, but would go down if there is more of a return to normality, or if a significant part of the anti-China coalition goes neutral (like say Germany, Italy or Australia).


I have a problem with this sort of thinking. There is no small scale skirmish between big countries.

Just look at the supply chain problems right now and how our financials are holding up. When all else fails they take you to war and a small one it wont be.

What will container prices be when the USN cordons off a major transport hub? or several? What happens if China decides to sink a carrier or blow up a few refineries around the South China Sea?

No such thing as small scale warfare between the US, Russia or China.

If these same people theorising a scenario of that sort I want to hear their thoughts on the domestic situation in the US, UK and EU after the events start. People would lose their minds and civil disorder would occur.
 
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