The new cold war with China

Blade Runner

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This is a very interesting and insightful article on the USA vs China trajectory and how it's likely to turn out in the future. Recommend everyone to read it.
Interesting article. I don't see the prediction. Here are the closing paragraphs:

The best simple proxy to measure this effort in coming years is likely to be demographics. For reasons not entirely clear, many countries around the world now face the same challenge: fertility rates that have fallen below the replacement rate as they’ve developed into advanced economies. This has occurred across a diverse array of political systems, and shows little sign of moderating. Besides immigration, a wide range of policies have now been tried in attempts to raise birth rates, from increased public funding of childcare services to “pro-natal” tax credits for families with children. None have been consistently successful, sparking anguished debate in some quarters on whether losing the will to survive and reproduce is simply a fundamental factor of modernity. But if any country can succeed in reversing this trend, no matter the brute-force effort required, it is likely to be China.

Either way, our world is witnessing a grand experiment that’s now underway: China and the West, facing very similar societal problems, have now, thanks to Wang Huning, embarked on radically different approaches to addressing them. And with China increasingly challenging the United States for a position of global geopolitical and ideological leadership, the conclusion of this experiment could very well shape the global future of governance for the century ahead.

Not entirely clear? Baby boom in the "West" and exportation of western culture = ascendant women (you could add gays here too) = no fertility. If you are a non westerner and you have low fertility rates as a country it is because of war, famine, or communist policies like 1 child (and famine). Africa and India are examples of non western countries with exploding populations in the meanwhile.

Again, the issue with fertility is women needing men in a society. Right or wrong (the western stupidly asks this question because of dumb ideas like "fairness"), that's the only way for women to actually have children and families. The experiment has been done; we know the results.
 

La Águila Negra

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Protestant
This is a very interesting and insightful article on the USA vs China trajectory and how it's likely to turn out in the future. Recommend everyone to read it.
If you like the article you'll no doubt like this in depth analysis by Andrew Anglin too.


I'll add his latest too, which is more focused on the state of the current warmongering propaganda - which has become obvious on this board too.


Bernhard from Moon of Alabama recently had a great article on the 'Chinese incursions of Taiwanese airspace' (— really? How do you incurse in your own airspace?) and the false narrative that propped up with.

So apparently it's about ADZs and not ADIZs (there is no international law on ADIZ - not that Taiwan is a country anyway). Also take a look at the preposterous self proclaimed 'Taiwanese' ADIZ.

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Dr Mantis Toboggan

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If you look at the whole issue as "what is the benefit to America", the obvious motivational calculus of sending millions of young American men to die to defend gay marriage in a country 10.000 km away instantly reveals it to be a sham about 100x worse than "we must bring democracy to Afghanistan" and "we must stop Gadaffi's soldiers from using Viagra to rape".

But let's assume that somehow, on some cuckoo planet, starting a war with China over Taiwan would be "beneficial to the USA".

Why would you, as a citizen of USA or any western country, want anything that's "beneficial to the USA" to begin with?

The USA as it currently exists is a brutal communist dictatorship that oppresses its own citizens and treats them as terrorists. Voice a wrong opinion about race or tranny pronouns, and you'll find yourself banned from flying, banking and the internet. Be an exemplary citizen who works hard and pays their taxes, only to see these taxes used to fund population replacement with brown people from all over the world and to have your children hauled off at gunpoint to be raped and genitally mutilated. Take a walk in the park minding your business, only to be murdered by the state's paramilitary forces just for fun. Politely decline to be injected with experimental medical substances and find yourself banned from everywhere, including work, and branded a disease-spreading cockroach.

There isn't a single redeeming feature about the current iteration of the USA; therefore, asking questions like "what does USA get out of this" is simply self-defeating.

Christians, however small in number they may be (about 5% of the population and roughly 2/3 are Protestants with the rest mostly Catholic), are able to worship freely in Taiwan at the moment. That will not be the case if the country is subjected to CCP rule.

That isn't in and of itself a cast iron argument for the US to go to war over Taiwan, but it is another counterpoint to the simplistic "America = globohomo = bad and therefore anyone who opposes America = good" line of thinking.
 

Samseau

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Christians, however small in number they may be (about 5% of the population and roughly 2/3 are Protestants with the rest mostly Catholic), are able to worship freely in Taiwan at the moment. That will not be the case if the country is subjected to CCP rule.

That isn't in and of itself a cast iron argument for the US to go to war over Taiwan, but it is another counterpoint to the simplistic "America = globohomo = bad and therefore anyone who opposes America = good" line of thinking.

There's absolutely no telling what a dominant China would be like, it could be worse than we have it now, or better, but looking at how the lives of how Chinese citizens are, which amounts to slavery, I'd suggest people who wouldn't fight for the USA to seriously reconsider their position.

Even though we've lost a ton, there is still a long way down left to go.

The most preferable outcome is for both the US and Chinese gov's to bankrupt each other, get downsized dramatically, and leave the citizens of both countries in peace in virtue of smaller presence.

The low birth rate issue will fix itself as the world goes broke and nature reasserts itself. When women can no longer provide for themselves through work, they will seek marriage from men once again. Children will naturally follow. Hell, it's already getting like this. Living on your own today is super expensive and has no signs of getting cheaper. Magnify what we see now 100x and you'll get the picture.
 

La Águila Negra

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Protestant

www.jpost.com%2Fdiaspora%2Fchinese-jews-celebrate-hanukkah-in-secret-amid-govt-crackdowns-report-652084

There is also a crackdown on Judaism.

China is starting to resemble North Korea (on a governmental level at least). Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all outlawed in North Korea.

I wonder where China will stand in a couple of years. Islam and Christianity are at least nominally state approved religions in China
 

Samseau

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www.jpost.com%2Fdiaspora%2Fchinese-jews-celebrate-hanukkah-in-secret-amid-govt-crackdowns-report-652084

There is also a crackdown on Judaism.

China is starting to resemble North Korea (on a governmental level at least). Islam, Judaism and Christianity are all outlawed in North Korea.

I wonder where China will stand in a couple of years. Islam and Christianity are at least nominally state approved religions in China

China somewhat allows Christianity and Islam, but bans Chosenitism? A rather interesting outcome, that will probably pay off well for China.
 

La Águila Negra

Ostrich
Protestant
Posting this here and not in the Supply Change Thread because this is more related to this topic than is being admitted.

The Chinese Ministry of Commerce has issued a warning and a prompt for people to stockpile food.


An obscure military strategist/geopolitical analyst told his few followers (I believe it was on Responsible Statecraft) once said (in March/April) that the moment China would increase stockpiling energy, food and other raw materials it could mean a military intervention is being prepared.
 

Don Quixote

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Orthodox Inquirer
Posting this here and not in the Supply Change Thread because this is more related to this topic than is being admitted.

The Chinese Ministry of Commerce has issued a warning and a prompt for people to stockpile food.


An obscure military strategist/geopolitical analyst told his few followers (I believe it was on Responsible Statecraft) once said (in March/April) that the moment China would increase stockpiling energy, food and other raw materials it could mean a military intervention is being prepared.
What do you expect would happen if China were to move in on Taiwan?
 

BarrontheTigercat

Woodpecker
Other Christian
On the subject of lack of religious freedom under the CCP.
Some background texture on culture, wholesomeness, decadence and freedom under Communist rule...
You're totally wrong about degeneracy in China, this is a country that heavily sensors cultural marxism. They put feminist larpies in jail, ban them, censor gay themes in movies and even go as far as banning tattoos. They've also called out K-Pop and J-pop as globohomo psyop, officially.

This is one of the most popular young influencers in China today, the most subscribed chinese language channel in social media outside of China, a young woman who left the city hustle to take care of her ailing grandma from rural Sichuan, living off the land in an eden-like setting she has created with her own hard work and skill. Even though she has encountered great success, the values her channel embody are the polar opposite of materialism:



Li Ziqi is the polar opposite of the girls who whore themselves in Polish malls in order to buy Louis Vuitton handbags.

It seems that the millionaire media mogul LiZiqi with her Jim Henson/Smurf propaganda videos complete with expensive indoor sets and outdoor stage lighting is being forced to change in line with CCP diktats.

Obviously this is coming from "SerpentZA" who, along with his partner LaoWhey, complete one half of what looks like a middle-aged Youtube Lesbian power couple.
Since these dorky but ambitious former TEFL teachers fell out with their Chinese experience and subsequently left the PRC all their videos are criticisms of China that are presumably funded by Chinas enemies.
Many have accused him of being a CIA shill. I assume that the pair of them are funded through pro-Taiwan groups and donors rather than being directly on the CIA payroll.

What is happening with Liziqi has many precedents in the past.
There are limits to Chinese influencers and how "wholesome" or "brave" they can afford to be.

There's a few things going on here.
Firstly, Chinese propaganda in its homeland requires a certain amount of credulousness that wouldn't fly with most people in the West.
Whilst entertaining, in the same way that "Fraggle Rock" or "Little House on the Prairie" is entertaining, the expensive production values, the screen filters, the quality of the sound and videography - these are are all obviously way above what 'a simple farm girl' :) could achieve.

The vast array of manual skill sets she alone is supposed to possess is unlikely - she is not superhuman and even if she were, nearly every asian can see that she would would not be so pale and lacking in muscular definition, those superpowers would have come with the dreaded price of a farm girls build and (much worse) darkened skin.
So at that point we can consider that, in comparison, the 'lifeguards' in Baywatch were not actually trained lifeguards either and that the subsequent revelation in Baywatch Nights that David Hasselhoff was a former Navy Seal could itself be seen as another example of similar poetic license.

But at least these videos are wholesome right?
We-ll yeah, I think so. But bear in mind I’m a guy. YT is overflowing with channels of pretty girls in make up pretending to do manual labor or hired models going on about how proud they are of the traditional yet very form fitting silk dresses they are wearing. It seems to be some kind of fetish.
Some call it cottage-core, Seriously. Would we really be interested as a mass audience in actual overall wearing male rural workers covered in cement dust showing us how to put together PVC irrigation pipes?
I find the 'wholesomeness' to be better described as "harmlessness" when compared to other forms of eye candy such as music videos, scantily clad LGBTQWERTY 'influencers or, at the far end, porn.
Yet, according to the outraged WuMao posters we are actually supposed to believe that, as posted above, she is indeed "a young woman who left the city hustle to take care of her ailing grandma from rural Sichuan, living off the land in an eden-like setting she has created with her own hard work and skill."
Quotes like "Don't cheapen her success, she is someone who came from nothing. A rural Chinese girl who made it from very humble beginnings."
“I am in rural china and places like this exist. I can't believe people are dumb enough to force me to even say this…"
“You can watch her videos where it shows her callus hands with actual blood and tears on the skin, her videos are legit, stop spouting bs you don't know about.”
This just points to the weakness of CCP propaganda in that it doesn’t really factor in most people’s critical faculties.

It seems that she makes her money through associated marketing and selling factory goods through her website. And she is worth millions.
So, rather than leaving the ‘hustle of the city behind’ she was party to fellow city hustlers who saw the tons of lipsticked girl/homestead videos online, which were all exactly the same thing and saw that they could make them to a far superior ‘eye candy’ movie quality.

As for this simple country girl:
Homestead owners aren't poor rural china residents. they are city folks like her media pals who've saved up to buy a farm far away and either work from home or retire. Youtube is used to supplement these city dwellers as an extra income. So she never represented rural china anyway. she represented city people who either already have or plan on moving away from the city and starting to live a hobby farm life.
The fantasy of rural life has been around for hundreds of years. Marie Antoinette had her own little village she could play in at Versailles.

At this stage she and her associates have a huge social media empire, have made tens of millions of dollars and possess multiple properties - the money coming mainly from cheap factory made goods. No doubt Luis Vuitton handbags abound behind the scenes, but she and her team have the good taste not to put them in front of the camera.

Secondly, this shows the minefield of operating in the CCP state. Once someone gets big enough they are expected to be a CCP mouthpiece or at the very least will find themselves being pushed by the CCP as an approved propaganda channel.
But again, that means that one must now tow the party line.
It seems that LiZiqi has now gone offline for some time after a dispute with her management company where she wants more of the profits in return for being the face of their media empire.
To me this is a similar phenomenon to Kesha and Dr Luke where Dr Luke didn’t see why he had to give more money than originally negotiated to someone just because they were the pretty face on the public end of all his strategising, marketing and creativity.
Whilst all this is going on she seems to be negotiating her new role under Chinas stricter ‘social influencer” rules.
There was an interview in which she said on state channel, CCTV that her future would be concerned with “rural re-vitilisation and common prosperity” typical Xi Jinping speak. The rules that have been brought in to mean that when she re-emerges she will be 100% in lock-step with whatever the Party’s political diktats of the day are and focusing on what the government wants her to do.

Whilst the above is fairly vanilla by comparison, some can point to the example of Jack Ma who recently went missing after criticising the party and then re-emerged suitably chastened.
The principle remains the same - these business, social media or artistic phenomenons inevitably lose their original creativity, their fire, their ‘spark’..

Another example on a smaller scale would be the artist Zhang Huan. When he first made his appearance on the Beijing Arts scene he was challenging the conditions of life under CCP rule in a bravura and confrontational way.
In 1993 he did a piece called “Angel” involving a giant white canvas, a jar of red liquid (representing blood) and mangled doll parts poured over him.
This was a commentary on the village committees where Party officials had wall planners detailing the monthly cycles of the women under their rule and where they would demand abortions, baby murder, should these women conceive even one child too many. It “led to a quick closure of the exhibition and serious censure of the artist.” Basically Zhang Huan had to go missing for a while and leave Beijing.
When he finally re-emerged he still did pieces criticising the government but his approach became far more oblique. To highlight the crushing conditions of migrant peasant labour he curated a group performance called To Raise the Water Level in a Fishpond (1997) where he asked 40 migrant laborers to stand in a pond so that their physical presence would raise the water level. Not exactly confrontational..
Another piece, 12 metres squared, was about the conditions of public toilets in outlying areas.
Again, not exactly threatening to the government.

The solution? He went back to more daring or more outlandish work but only overseas.. The china worshippers outside China welcomed him and commissioned him as he made critical and satirical pieces such as “My Japan” or “My America” where he was fine to take the Mickey out of the social mores of these decadent Western imperialist countries in a way he wouldn’t have been to make such attention-seeking pieces about local conditions back home.

He got homesick and returned to China. He converted to Buddhism but his work in China became far more staid. He made some giant sculptures and then his oeuvre changed to ash paintings which were themselves copies of industrial photos taken during Mao’s era.
Bleak, melancholic nostalgia pieces of dubious vitality or creativity.
Such is the destiny it seems of pre-eminent creatives, ‘influencers’ or disruptors in CCP China.

 

La Águila Negra

Ostrich
Protestant
There is no truth to this news. As can be read below in the Chinese source +explanation (Telegram link)

I asked several Chinese people about it and it didn't appear in the news cycle - they had to dig for it and then found a story with different content

What does pose a big question mark though is the reason why this is being communicated as such. The Global Times has become the Chinese government main mouthpiece of communicating with the outside world. I don't believe for one second that they are just being 'lousy'.

This is part of an agenda.


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Transsimian

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Gold Member
Time for a musical interlude.


And here's a subtle ballad.

His last post of advice for the Taliban on Weibo before getting banned was awesome.

1.封鎖臉書、YouTube、Google這些邪惡的網路媒體,不讓國民跟外界有任何交流。
Block all evil foreign social media platforms like Facebook and Google. These have a bad influence on people and they let Afghans interact with the corrupt and evil outside world.

2.成立自己的官方新聞網站,製作自己的通訊軟體和社交Apps,長期播放官方新聞,告訴人民那些批評他們不好的外國媒體都是邪惡的境外勢力,都是假新聞不要看。
Install state-run media companies — both print and digital — to spread regal news to the people of Afghanistan. Also, build your own social media platforms.

3.打造塔利班領袖的巨型雕像,放在總統府門口。在街上到處貼標語,在學校給學生洗腦教育,告訴人民塔利班領袖有多偉大。
Have statues of Taliban leaders built and erect outside presidential offices. Also, make students understand the greatness of the Taliban leaders and their teaching.

4.鼓吹國民翻牆到外網出征別人,只要有人批評他們的政府哪裡不好,就去留言說別人是「辱阿分子」、「反阿青蛙」、「NMSL」。
Let people jump the censor firewall only when Afghanistan or the Taliban is attacked. Anyone saying anything against the Afghan and Taliban should be tagged as anti-Afghan and called offensive. Go a step further and cancel them.

5.國慶日的時候,花大錢請一堆外國人到他們的慶典上演唱「我的阿國」和「沒有阿國就沒有新阿富汗」等等愛國歌曲。
When celebrating national holidays, influential foreigners come and sing patriotic songs about the greatness of the Taliban and how without the Taliban there will never be a new Afghanistan.


6.國民只要對政府有任何不滿,就馬上蓋一棟類似監獄(但不能對外說是監獄)的地方,把那些有自主思想的人,都關進去再教育。然後請境外媒體來拍攝,再逼囚犯們演得很開心的樣子,平時就逼這些囚犯們種西瓜,把西瓜出口到外國掙外匯。
If citizens have any independent thought, send them to “safehouses” that might look like prisons to get them re-educated about the great ways of the Taliban. Further, invite foreign news channels to show how happy these citizens are in their safehouses.

7.開拍一堆「愛國電影」給國民看,比如「戰阿」、「戰阿2」,讓阿富汗人民認為自己很強,外國人都是王八蛋。
Make some patriotic films that highlight the greatness of the Taliban and how they saved Afghanistan from evil foreigners. These films will instill in the people of Afghanistan a sense of nationalism that will further strengthen the bond between the Taliban and Afghanistan’s people.

8.花錢請網紅拍一些「美國人驚呆了!」、「俄羅斯坐不住了!」和「此生不悔入阿富汗」之類的影片給自己人民看,也順便轉載到外網進行大外宣……。
Have celebrities shun foreign ideologies and even ridicule some of them. Get these celebrities to call Americans silly or Russians to be unable to stay composed. Get these celebrities to say they are proud of being in Afghanistan. People will spread such propaganda swiftly.
 
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